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Well, last night my wife and I discussed having children (we're only 27... married less than 2 years). Since the TDR has been such a great wealth of information to me, I thought I'd ask the current fathers out there how they felt before having kids and how they feel now. I have this sort of selfish "fear" (that I'm rather ashamed of) that kids will be so much work and effort that I won't be able to enjoy the freedoms I have now (taking off on vacation, having plenty of money, etc. ).



On the other hand, I know there must be some really great things about having kids since everyone seems to do it. And I'm sure it would be cool to raise a new generation of dieselhead.



Guess I'm just looking for some encouragement and opinions from successful fathers out there.



-Ryan
 
Ryan I thought you were older!



My wife and I (31&32) are thinking of that samething. We have many of the same concerns. We have decided that my wife will stay home to raise the baby and not work outside the house. So i am very interested to see what results you will receive... Oo.
 
rbattelle and HOBrian, we were married for almost a year and had our first kid by the age of 19. Not planned, just happened. When I first found out I was blown away and all of these so called "selfish" feelings came to the top. I said some things when my wife told me that she was pregnant that I am quite ashamed of, but being nice as she can be, she forgave me. Anyways, once I started playing with that little girl in that belly, I could not wait for her to make it to the outside world so we could go places and do things. I have 2 beautiful girls, 7 and 12. I would not change anything about having them. Being girls, I have to find that ballance between raising them total TomBoy and letting them be girls. They love just about everyone of my hobbies and join in them all. I must say coming up on the oldest ones teenage time has been a test of wills, but she is coming along just fine. My wife has not worked in 11 years until recently. We learned to live on a little less and enjoy something other than our toys and things that money can buy. Before we had our second, I asked myself a couple questions. 1) Can we afford to? 2) How much do I want to have another part of my wife and myself to love? 3) Can I provide the loving home this child will need to grow up like they should? After answering these we planned the second child and I have zero regrets of either one or any of the experiences I have had with them. There's my $1. 25 worth.
 
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It's smart that you are having this discussion prior to having kids. Children are a huge responsibility, and your life isn't the same after having them. That doesn't mean raising a family is a negative experience, just different from what you may be used to.

For couples who are used to going out partying and traveling on the spur of the moment, those activities come to a screeching halt with a new baby. That can be tough for some people to adjust to, and they may resent the baby for cramping their social life. You always have to think about the welfare of the baby first, and your own needs second. I've seen many selfish parents get that backwards, which is why they have problems raising their kids.

My wife and I have two daughters, and I wouldn't do things any differently even if I could. However, we decided to wait six years after being married to have our first child. This gave us the chance to purchase our home, cement our relationship, and plan our finances prior to bringing a little one into the world. A financially secure family is usually a happier family.

I believe that having a child is way too important of a decision to rush into, so take your time. But for me being a father to my kids is the best feeling in the world!

- Mike
 
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rbattelle said:
I have this sort of selfish "fear" (that I'm rather ashamed of) that kids will be so much work and effort that I won't be able to enjoy the freedoms I have now (taking off on vacation, having plenty of money, etc. )



No need to be ashamed of those feelings. I have them as well and I don't hide it. Having kids isn't for eveyone and fortunantely my wife and I are on the same page. She enjoys her work and doesn't want to give it up. I'm working on another business prospect, and when this takes off, I'll be pretty busy. I would rather not have kids than have them and not be there for them because I'm too busy. Some day this might change, but if it dodesn't, it doesn't. No big deal. Your young (we're young). Take some time if you need it.
 
Ryan,



Wow, I thought you were older as well buddy, I guess your just more mature then most on here. I’m 30 but act like I’m in my early 20 sometimes, I don’t want to grow up. I have two children, one boy he’s 5, and one step daughter she’s 8. Kids are a handful Ill tell you that. You'll be more protective Ill tell you that. My fiancée and I are getting married on Sunday, we spoke about another child, and to tell you the truth, were both selfish and decided that were not going to do it. I know it sounds bad but we like our freedom, unfortunately we have a mixed family so my son and step daughter are with the others every other weekend, so we technically have perm babysitters. My advice is you will have alot of memories, some good and some bad, but alot of crack ups from the silly stuff kids do. As far as camping goes, take your child with you and if you want a camping trip with your love find a babysitter, believe me you’ll have alot of people wanting to watch your newborn.



The only newborn my fiancée (wife) and I are thinking about now is a baby lab, even with this decision its going to be a handful.



Hope this helped



Also if you want to know what Im talking about camping trips, click on my Readers rigs, then under my toybox, I got pictures of my kids riding, check them out.
 
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Ryan,

This is from an old guy with three kids (48, 45, and 42). I am retired from a career where I dealt with family issues on a regular basis.



We had our first child when I was 21 and my wife was 19. Our plan was to wait at least 5 years before starting a family but that changed within the first 6 months of marriage. We were so poor that the poor folks called us poor, :D but so were (and are) a lots of other good parents. We both loved kids and loved the idea of being parents so decided to take the plunge and have kids while we were very young so we’d have the full life we both wanted.



Looking back (this is our 50th year of marriage) there is a lot of pain. Our hearts have been broken several times by poor choices our kids have made. However, in spite of all the disappointments, heartbreaks, expense, trouble, and hard work of parenthood, I’d do it again in a minute!!!! Oo. I recommend parenthood for most couples. IMHO childless marriages are somewhat incomplete (maybe misery loves company?? :) ). This is not to disparage couples who are unable to conceive or have other medical reasons for remaining childless. My experience has tended to indicate the wisdom of having children while you are still young enough to be pretty flexible and before careers and other life issues become so all-consuming of time and attention.



This caveat—some people should never have kids. If one doesn’t like kids, if one is so self-focused that there is no room for anyone else in his life, if one has unresolved anger problems, if one can’t or won’t see any value in marriage beyond the advantage of sex on demand, then for the sake of the poor kids, don’t have them.



When my kids came along I thoroughly enjoyed being a dad. Little did I know then that my greatest joy would be many years down the road in my old-age. Those kids (one who still struggles with mental illness and substance abuse problems) and the thirteen grandkids and several great-grands fill up this old guy’s life in ways I can’t adequately express!!!



You said, "I have this sort of selfish "fear" (that I'm rather ashamed of) that kids will be so much work and effort that I won't be able to enjoy the freedoms I have now (taking off on vacation, having plenty of money, etc. " It's not unlike marriage itself. You gave up a lot of freedom when you got married, but what you got in exchange made it all worthwhile. It is somewhat the same with having kids. You'll give up a lot and it will be expensive, but what you get in exchange cannot be measured!



Gene
 
I remember the discussion and the fears and the selfish feelings. Once it happens you realize how much fun they really are and how much time they take up.



My wife worked part time after our first son but after the second we decided that it would be best if she stayed home. For the money she was making it was not really worth paying day care for two. She started doing a little day care on her own for some friends and we use the money for fun stuff.

It is a sacrifice but in the end it is well worth it. :)
 
This place is great.



I feel that my wife wants children more than I do, but I love her too much to even consider attempting to deny her children. So, all I want is to be a good father, which generates no small amount of anxiety (which I think is natural). I've been working on myself for about a year now, focusing on the positive things about having kids and observing other fathers I consider successful.



This place is great.



-Ryan :)
 
we were married 7 years before we had kids (3 now) and the only regret is that we waited so long to bring this sort of joy into our lives.
 
rbattelle said:
Well, last night my wife and I discussed having children (we're only 27... married less than 2 years). Since the TDR has been such a great wealth of information to me, I thought I'd ask the current fathers out there how they felt before having kids and how they feel now. I have this sort of selfish "fear" (that I'm rather ashamed of) that kids will be so much work and effort that I won't be able to enjoy the freedoms I have now (taking off on vacation, having plenty of money, etc. ).



On the other hand, I know there must be some really great things about having kids since everyone seems to do it. And I'm sure it would be cool to raise a new generation of dieselhead.



Guess I'm just looking for some encouragement and opinions from successful fathers out there.



-Ryan



Ryan--



I think we are/were in similar situations. DINK lifestyle, gotta be on the go for military life, etc.



My wife and I decided that if we waited until we felt TOTALLY ready, then we would never end up having kids. Parenthood isn't something you can ever be 100% ready for. There's a step (maybe a leap for some) of faith involved.



Our daughter (1st kid) was born on St Patty's Day just 2 months ago. My wife is 30, I turn 30 in a week or so. We were 27 when we married, 24 when we met.



Even though my girl is only 2 months old, I can scarcely remember my life before her. Yes, it is difficult sometimes (read: sleep deprivation), but the positives outweigh the negatives by far, in my view. I love tending to her (changing her at least, since I don't have the "hardware" for feedings, lol). Bathtime is lots of fun, because she's so cute!



My wife is magnificent, and she's the biggest reason that having this baby has been so enjoyable for me. I really like knowing that my wife is home taking care of her, but also making an effort to get out of the house and stay active. It's good for both mother and child, imho.



While everyone seems to think THEIR advice is worth taking, I feel like I should share with you some wisdom that I was given by someone else. That is, when you have a kid, make a conscious effort to integrate the kid into your life, instead of letting your life totally revolve around the kid. If you like to camp-- go camping with the baby. If you like to ride bike or go for walks, keep on doing it with your kid along. Don't give up all you used to do because you have a kid now. If you can integrate them into the life you have already, you will avoid the resentment (from loss of freedom) that sometimes comes with having kids. If you feel resentment creeping in, ask yourself: am I REALLY trapped after having this kid, or is it a false or self-made prison? I believe it's usually the latter.



When you do this, you find that you really don't have to sacrifice so many of the things that you enjoyed about your childless freedom. Yes, things get a little more complicated in some ways (movies are at home more than at the theather), but you'd be surprised by how much things are able to stay the same.



True, having a kid changes everything forever. But that does NOT mean that your life changes into the opposite of what it was. You won't end up broke if you had enough money. You won't end up with no time at all if you feel you had enough before (and tell me who really does).



It's been my experience that having a kid just adds to your life. The love you have for your wife and child will be more than you could ever have conceived before.



A welcome side effect has been making a lot of good friends as we find people who are also in similar situations with their young kids. When you have the babies in common, it seems to pave the way for the foundation of a friendship.



Yes, I dread thinking about all that may be in my daughter's future, and that brings in some self-doubt. How can I teach her to wait for marriage to have sex, when our society is sexually obsessed? How can I teach her to love and fear God in a culture that laughs at people who actually believe every word of the Bible? How can I inspire her to do her best in school, to love learning for its own sake? How can I help her to have a healthy body image so she's not insecure about her appearance? How can I help her to know beyond ANY doubt that she is loved unconditionally? How can I show her the wisdom of learning from MY mistakes instead of repeating them to learn for herself?



I pray for wisdom quite seriously, as I think that I'd be pretty lost in this fatherhood thing without some help. I was fortunate to have a pretty amazing father myself. He was a good example of hard work, humility, discipline, and love.



It's especially humbling to think that God would entrust me with the care and feeding of one of his treasured little babies. I'm hoping to honor Him with my stewardship of this little girl.



Justin
 
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rbattelle said:
This place is great.



I feel that my wife wants children more than I do, but I love her too much to even consider attempting to deny her children. So, all I want is to be a good father, which generates no small amount of anxiety (which I think is natural). I've been working on myself for about a year now, focusing on the positive things about having kids and observing other fathers I consider successful.



This place is great.



-Ryan :)



Ryan, the fact that you are worried and that you look to see what others are doing means that you will be a great father.



Thanks DHorton Oo.
 
Coming up on our first's first birthday. Looking back over the last year their have been some arguments about what our girl needs but we (wife and I) have never been closer. The baby responsiblities have to be evenly divided. I have a job that allows me to bring our daughter to work with me. This leaves the evening to mommy/baby time. The small achievements are incredible when they first start babling and when they look and smile at YOU! You realize there is nothing like it in the world and life pre baby is a distant memory. We keep looking to the future where we are going to go for family vacation. Life is different we didn't know how we were going to pay for everything but it does work out somehow we have stayed on top and actually getting ahead, strange how priorities change.

Be aware that family grandmothers/fathers can add stress it is not how they would raise child. If you have issues with her parents or she with yours they will be multipiled.
 
My son Grant is turning 1yr this month and it has been a joy! Yes your life changes but you can adapt, your relationship with your wife will be tested but also grow stronger. I love taking my son for a ride in my ctd and he likes it too. I'm the guy who would take road trips 3-4 times a year when I was single, that slowed to 1-2 when I got married and went away when my wife was pregnant but picked right back up after he was born, I've taken him on several and have 2 planned this summer. Point is include your kids whenever you can and do things as a family instead of on your own. Like someone else said your life changed when you got married but for the better, same with kids.
 
13 years ago I told my wife that we could have better vacations or we could have kids... every now and then I remind her that we could have had better vacations. My wife stayed home for 10 years, as was our mutual decision to raise our kids ourselves. It was certainly difficult watching our peers acquire "stuff", but I would not trade the life we've had or either of my 2 daughters for anything in the world. Well, actually I would not mind loaning out my eight year old for about a year, but that is probably another thread discussion. Seriously, having kids transforms a couple into a family. No disrespect intended for those that have not had kids, I really envy your toys and vacations :-laf Sure there are trials, but the tribulations make up for them, exponentially!
 
So, all I want is to be a good father

Ryan, if you bring as much maturity to fatherhood as you display around this rag you will do just fine. Heck, I too thought you were an old porch hound, like me. ;)



I sort of took another route. Got my girl friend pregnant when she was 19 inspite of birth control (IUD)--SURPRISE!. We decided we couldn't kill the little critter and, since I was not going to "have to get married", we waited until he was born to get married. I was about as irresponsible as they come and in love with the mountains and self. Finally, she had enough and bailed with two kids. :eek:



Fortunately, this is what I needed to get a focus in my life, i. e. Jesus. Even though their mom and I never reconciled, I tried my best to be involved in their lives. They spent summers with me as a single dad. I did my best to raise them up right, like Hohn advised. Emotionally, it was hell, but in retrospect it was well worth it. They, and my step-daughter, are grown, married, and there is even a herd of growing grandkids. Today, our relationship, even though they live in WA, NC, and HW, is great and worth it all.



Even though there were a lot of tough times, like Gene releated, It is the good times that are remembered. The camping, road trips, church, and family times. The whole focus of camping shifts to the family camping mode and it is more important that the kids catch the fish or make it to the mountain top than if you do. And now that they are grown, far away, and working on their own litters, I am back to "selfish" camping, climbing, skiiing, kayaking, dodge CTD trucks, and still worshipping the God who brought us through it all.



If I could offer one word of advise it would be find a good solid bible based church to be the foundation to build on. I'm glad I took the time effort to work putting that foundation both in their lives and mine. :)
 
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