accidently put off road fuel in my 04.5 !

[icman95]

so does anybody know what the procedure is to pay beforehand these taxes or how to set it up. i never heard of anyone using home bio paying taxes, how about electric cars? they use the road too.



i believe taxes are for petroleum ,federal & local ,epa + other taxes , i would like someone to breakdown the difference between electric cars & svo.

I'm pretty sure, like you said, the taxes are specifically on petroleum products, not just anything that can be used for motor fuel. I've seen some info regarding ethanol that says if you make it at home for fuel rather than drinking, you have to put an additive in it to make it poisonous to humans so that you can't sell it as a drink. This way the gov't makes sure that you aren't selling untaxed booze under the false assumption of making biofuel.



I've gotta belive, though, that once-or if- this biodiesel stuff becomes very popular the gov't will realize that it's loosing revenue and begin taxing it. They won't at first, because they will want to encourage biofuel use, but eventually, it will be taxed.

 

[Schrowang]

So OK, red dye is a dye and Smokey is out there lookin' to bust anyone using the stuff. But ... ... .



What's the red dye made of (must be combustable) and how can it be neutralized. Mix up some red food coloring in a glass of water and you can neutralize it with a little blue and green food coloring.



Voila, red dye is gone.



Hmmmmmmmm

 

[The patriot]

They say the red dye can be removed by exposing it to sunlight for a day or two.

I'm not leaving a kiddie pool of fuel out to find out. :-laf

 

[MMeier]

They say the red dye can be removed by exposing it to sunlight for a day or two.

I'm not leaving a kiddie pool of fuel out to find out. :-laf

It will still have traces of the stuff left behind that can be picked up easily by a spectrometer test.

 

[RAndrae]

Its not a min 10K fine... they fine for two offences in one adding up to about 2500$$. I have seen two check points in N Ca. over the last couple of years. know two people who have been caught.

 

[icman95]

So OK, red dye is a dye and Smokey is out there lookin' to bust anyone using the stuff. But ... ... .



What's the red dye made of (must be combustable) and how can it be neutralized. Mix up some red food coloring in a glass of water and you can neutralize it with a little blue and green food coloring.



Voila, red dye is gone.



Hmmmmmmmm

Actually, you bring up a very good point. I am not a pilot, but have spent some time around private aircraft. Some take a particular kind of fuel and other planes take another kind. To tell the fuels apart, they are dyed. When doing the preflight check, the pilot samples the fuel to make sure the right color is in the tanks. If two different types of fuel get mixed accidentally, the dyes are designed to cancel each other out and the fuel is now colorless, like water. I wonder if it's possible to find the chemical that cancels out the red dye in diesel.

 

[kruisecontrol]

I wonder if it's possible to find the chemical that cancels out the red dye in diesel.

muahaha this thread is getting evil

 

[Drewhenry]

Swab Tailpipe

Remember, even if ya got a locked fuel cap, your tail pipe can be swabbed and it can be determined if you have EVER burned red diesel in your engine. It is really simple. Don't give any law enforcement officer the opportunity or motive to check your vehicle while driving. As far as the checking on private property is concerned, I am not sure what the law allows.

 

[icman95]

I witnessed the most amazingly pertinent thing today while making a delivery to a gas station. I was inside near the cash register doing my thing when an officer from the IRS-Fuel Compliance Divsion told the manager that he was there to do an informal random inspection. He was checking the kerosene pump in particular to make sure that it had a short hose on it so the (untaxed) fuel couldn't be pumped into a car/truck. He also made mention to the manager that there could be other random inspections because they have a diesel pump and there are other, less reputable, stations that might be selling dyed diesel out of the regular pump. The inspector found no problems here, especially since the kero pump was out of order. He was a nice guy and wasn't out to screw anyone who wasn't doing anything wrong. Just there doing his job. I've been delivering to places like this for 11 years and have never seen this before. I wonder if the IRS is starting to crack down due to high prices.



By the way, he was driving a Dodge Ram 1500 gasser with U. S. gov't plates. At least Uncle Sam has good taste in trucks.



Point of the story is that not just the locals are out there looking for these things. Apparently the Feds are into it also.

 

[Elite1]

Can't imagine why you haven't seen tanks being checked in L. A. , LOL!



Just where in So. CA would you find any place to buy non-road (red) diesel?



Not too many tractors in Brentwood, Hollywood or Beverly Hills, LOL!

Don't think you'll find any in Culver City or Redondo Beach either.



EVERY "big rig" stops at truck scales (when they're open) - CHP (and/or any state) could check anytime they want.

Owner Operators aren't that stupid - and company drivers don't pay for their fuel.



But, keep watching for the guy delivering fuel oil for furnaces!

You must be wearing blinders... you don't see construction equipment in Southern Calif. ? Tractors, backhoes, excavators,concrete pumps, etc...

Then get a little ways out of the city into the Ag land & you see all kinds of farm tractors...

btw: a friend of mine got caught driving a dump truck with red fuel, at a scale... 10k fine for his boss.

 

[SShafranko]

I make that same mistake every other week, not sure how it keeps happening

lol me too... ... i think

 

[The patriot]

C'mon over to the dark side... ..... :-laf

 

[MoparDave]

Dam if it didn't happen again!

 

[The patriot]

Spaz!:-laf

 

[TheBigSgt]

PLEASE DON'T HATE ME!



Normally agents are good folks just doing there job. One flag that will get you checked is a extra tank in the bed. Now if you say you did it once on accident, then flush with fuel as much as you can and I think it will go away.



As far as giving permission, it's like a random DUI check.



If you have Farm tags in Utah, your OK.



I just had a long talk with a agent about this as I was working on her computer.

 

[MMeier]

PLEASE DON'T HATE ME!



Normally agents are good folks just doing there job. One flag that will get you checked is a extra tank in the bed. Now if you say you did it once on accident, then flush with fuel as much as you can and I think it will go away.



As far as giving permission, it's like a random DUI check.



If you have Farm tags in Utah, your OK.



I just had a long talk with a agent about this as I was working on her computer.

So do YOU just go by what it looks like, or preform the spectrometer test to see if it actually contains dye or not?

 

[Elite1]

What if you use the additive, Marvel Mystery Oil (red colored), to your fuel?

Wonder if this would pass the dip test?

 

[FLynes]

When the family and I were on vacation, passing through Kansas, I accidentally filled up with Off-road diesel. My truck went from something like 19MPG to 11MPG (post is here somewhere). When I got to Colorado I was on empty, light on and I refilled with regular #2... . mileage went back up.



What I think happened (and was suggested by someone else here on my other post) was that the red dye diesel had been sitting in that tank for quite some time and had gone bad. Farmers usually have the stuff delivered to them; they don't often go to a station to fill up. My great-uncle in PA always had it delivered to his farm, and my dad used to fill up his '83 Chevy Celebrity Diesel with the stuff.

 

[bpoole]

When Diesel Aircraft engines where certified in Diamond aircraft and retro fitted to Cessna's, the Department of Transportation determined
that they would have to dye the diesel fuel to differeniate it from 100LL.
GUESS WHAT ? They decided on RED dye. So if you are at an airport which has diesel for aircraft (Which costs more than on road diesel, because of the taxes on aircraft fuel) and fill up your truck- you have paid more for the fuel and can still be fined under the law when tank dipped.

 

[TheBigSgt]

So do YOU just go by what it looks like, or preform the spectrometer test to see if it actually contains dye or not?

I just fix computers! LOL