According to all the Signs...Toyota is going to CAT

[Ross]

Ah, at last... the conspiracy is uncovered.....



Not to worry. In a few weeks, we'll get to play it again on someone. :-laf

 

[biggieou]

Ross, you're exactly right!

Grizz, sorry to mess with your head so long, but you just kept falling for it. I cracked up when I saw you actually called Cummins to verify. Didn't you notice I was spelling it with a "g"?

 

[Sled Puller]

If I were to launch a new truck in this market, I would go for the Redneck factor, CAT carries weight.



Say, did you guys hear Cummins is going to buy Ford?

 

[Ross]

Good one, Sleddy. If Cummins were to buy Ford, they might be on to something. As the new owner of Ford, what would Cummins do with the huge stockpile of BBs that Ford puts in their powerjokes? I guess they'd flood the market with them. Or... maybe Cummins should also buy Daisy to put the BBs to good use? :-laf

 

[Grizzly]

Ross, you're exactly right!



Grizz, sorry to mess with your head so long, but you just kept falling for it. I cracked up when I saw you actually called Cummins to verify. Didn't you notice I was spelling it with a "g"?

I did suspect that you were messing with me because I thought, no one can be that bullheaded. I did notice the "g". The man at Cummins was very interesting to talk to and gave me a lot of facts that I didn't know and confirm what I did know.

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

99 out of 100 times that someone on here says Ford owns Cummins, it's a joke because that is what every other Ford owner says. Relax you guys, it's a joke:{

 

[RVTRKN]

A student of mine has a 7. 3 F250 and we were talking about the 6. 0 disaster and he starts to go into the ole Ford owns Cummins thing. The Ford fans are sure all wraped up about our CTD's, I had a Ford salesman tell me in 94 that in five years, the contract for the CTD will expire and that Ford owns cummins and Ford was not going to allow Dodge to use them anymore. If you want to know how it started, I think that Ford started it.

 

[Huskerman]

All you have to do is point them here: http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/....cfm?uuid=000C518F-094B-1E31-850880C4A8F00000



Huskerman

 

[jmy]

CAT has a engine program for a half ton pickup.

They have already done a development program with Ford but are looking elsewhere now.



Her is a link to the CAT/F150 program

http://www.osti.gov/bridge/servlets/purl/771077-sVqrbF/native/771077.pdf

 

[Turbo Tim 1]

Remeber the PowerWagon Concept truck, that was a CAT engine. A Friend of mine went to work for CAT as a project manager incharge of building powerplants and he told me at the time Cat and Dodge were working together, that was in 1994-1995 so obviously nothing much ever came of it. My thought is they were working on the powerwagon engine

 

[rbattelle]

Hey Y-Knot, until just recently I was 100% on board with you. However, the March 12th issue of Automotive News had an article about Nissan halting work on their HD pickup (which was to debut 2009-2011). The very last paragraph of that article reads:

Toyota had been expected to launch a heavy-duty pickup in 2009, using a vehicle developed by its Hino Motors Ltd. affiliate. But suppliers say the project has been halted indefinitely.

I find that interesting. If Toyota shelves the HD pickup line, what does that mean for Toyota diesel trucks? It means either they'll be 1/2 ton Tundras, or they'll simply rebadge the Tundra as a 3/4 ton model and stick in a diesel.

Either way, does Cat make an engine of appropriate output and size? The smallest on-highway truck engine is the C7, which I believe is way too large and heavy to fit in a Tundra. They do make smaller engines for off-highway use, but those would need major modifications for use in an on-highway application.

So now I'm not so sure about Toyota going Cat...

Ryan

 

[Sled Puller]

Ryan, dont forget Cat owns Perkins, which makes 350 ish CI engines.

 

[rbattelle]

Ryan, dont forget Cat owns Perkins, which makes 350 ish CI engines.

Oh yeah, forgot all about that.

Ryan

 

[hummincummins2]

i think hino will give toyota their engines although i did read something like this in diesel power mag.

 

[steveinaz]

This is engine(6. 6 liter) will end up in a pickup. If it goes into a Toyota I will buy one. The engine is loosely based on the old Perkins engine of the same displacement. I investigated the parts breakdown for both engines. They share zero internal parts. The head design is simular to the 24 valve Cummins. Fuel delivery is common rail. SteveinAZ
http://www.cat.com/cda/components/s...uredFileServletJSP?fileId=226582&languageId=7

 

[Sled Puller]

With an engine like that just sitting there, why is Ford playing games with V8 Navistars??



Most Fords have CAT front lic plates now, I think they would be sold 6 months ahead, even if it was $7500 more.



Maybe their frames can't take it. At 1115 pounds, is it heavier then the 7. 3s?

 

[rbattelle]

With an engine like that just sitting there, why is Ford playing games with V8 Navistars??

Well, the C6. 6 is an industrial stationary engine, not designed for vehicle applications (as far as I know). There may be significant, costly changes required to make it roadworthy.



Ryan

 

[mhenon]

Ryan, dont forget Cat owns Perkins, which makes 350 ish CI engines.

Wrong... Ford owns Perkins too! According to the local Ford dealer they have a bid in on Cat as well.

Mike

 

[steveinaz]

Roadworthy?

It exceeds the emission standards. Or do you mean mounting accessories? Any fueling changes are made electronically. I'm not quite sure what you mean by roadworthy. The reliability standards are much higher from Cat than any auto manufacturer. Cat offers a 5000hr total warranty on construction equipment. I'm not sure how that converts to miles. I primarily work on the BCP product which is backhoes and simular pieces. These pieces are run at full throttle most of the time. I've seen them reach 10,000 hours without any component failure. The 4. 4, a 6. 6 minus 2 cylinders, is going to appear in the new backhoe shortly. I'm sure they are roadworthy already. SteveinAZ

 

[rbattelle]

It exceeds the emission standards. Or do you mean mounting accessories? Any fueling changes are made electronically. I'm not quite sure what you mean by roadworthy.

I guess I assume the engine is specifically designed to run at constant-load, near-constant RPM for long periods of time, and that it therefore has some internal features toward that purpose. I mean, why is the C6. 6 specified as an industrial engine, and not an on-highway engine now?



Steve, you're obviously a lot more knowledgeable than me regarding the engine, so if you think it's suitable for on-highway use I believe you.



Ryan