Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting adventures in reloading

[JJPage]

SWAG. Soldier With A Gun, Scientific/Simple Wild *** Guess, Stupid Wild-*** Girl..... depends on context... .

Either bullet will kill most game. Go with what you like, and if money is a factor, then you have your answer. I like the Leverlution ammo.

California is a hostile foriegn country.

At less than 400 yards, either will kill an elk or deer very well. I, personally, would carry the 325, just for "other" game you might encounter that might be hungry... . The 325s only have a little more recoil, but will hold thier energy better downrange. As for reloading, there is a plethora of sources available for whatever powder you want to use. Just pick one, and on that company's website, they'll most likely have a loading manual you can find a starting load on..... GHarm really likes that caliber and has pretty extensive knowledge in it's reloading and shooting capabilities.

HHh, Thank you for your input!

 

[HHhuntitall]

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

Here's a good source for reloading data for IMR and Hodgdon powders, just click on the agree button and then look up your catridge.



One of my favorite loads is 68gr of H335 with Sierra 300gr bullets. That's listed as a max load on Hodgdon's website.....



GHARM, didn't you have a good, pet load for your Marlin? Wasn't that 450gr lead cast bullets you smelted together?

 

[GHarman]

http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

Here's a good source for reloading data for IMR and Hodgdon powders, just click on the agree button and then look up your catridge.



One of my favorite loads is 68gr of H335 with Sierra 300gr bullets. That's listed as a max load on Hodgdon's website.....



GHARM, didn't you have a good, pet load for your Marlin? Wasn't that 450gr lead cast bullets you smelted together?

HH, No, My favorite hunting load was 52 Grains of Reloader #7 using the 350 Grain Hawk with the . 025" thick jacket. This was fired from a Marlin 1895 with the micro groove barrel. Its kinda like hittin' a critter with a "lead pie"!

I have shot other bullets, such as the 400 gr. Speer and the 350 Gr Hornady Round Nose(the most accurate, cloverleaf-3 shots touching at 100 yards!!!)

You do have to be careful with these because the nose can rest on a primer in the magazine.

Cast bullets don't work well in a microgroove barrel except at low velocities.

GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

finally got to the range today and unloaded a few rounds. winchester super x 300 grain, hornady 325 grain leverevolution, and my reloads in order of kick. its fun to shoot, but after 30 somthing rounds my shoulder is a bit blue

 

[JJPage]

finally got to the range but after 30 somthing rounds my shoulder is a bit blue

IMPOSSIBLE! You are under 21 yrs old... . :-laf

 

[GHarman]

KBurgoyne, Make sure you pull it in tight to the shoulder! You could wear a thick sweatshirt or a shooting jacket(or both), if you plan to shoot it a lot at one outing! GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

finally got to the range today and unloaded a few rounds. winchester super x 300 grain, hornady 325 grain leverevolution, and my reloads in order of kick. its fun to shoot, but after 30 somthing rounds my shoulder is a bit blue

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL AINT IT GREAT. TRY THE BIG BOY'S 540GR Dont want to shoot to many of those!!!!!!! I still mite get ate but what ever it is that is doing the eatin is going to be hurtin BIG TIME. :-laf

JUST SOME EXTRA FUN TO TRY



http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=5XCB4A911SM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZIIV0AO9E4&feature=related

 

[KBurgoyne]

hey if i was getting charged by a grizzly i dont think i would care about my shoulder. it feels better now i could have kept going just wanted to get the steel hot, and it seems a shame to punch paper with those things.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I don't know how I would react never had to off a bear to save myself came close a time of two. A friend of mine that works for the Forest Department here in MT has , and said if he could have had a LAW'S rocket it STILL WOULDNT BE BIG ENOUGH. :-laf Ill take his word for it the Forest Department gives the ammo that I listed above as standard carry. GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME. He in his duties has had to destroy a few Black bears and of pretty good size. He said the above ammo was more than adequate for the task. As Greg and HH have told me its not a one shot deal its to break the animal down and then deliver the decisive shot. And I will add to that the eventual cleaning of I TRIED TO BY-PASS THE CUSSING FILTER FROM MY SHORTS/LEVI'S/SOCKS/AND BOOTS.



If your hunting other rounds would be far better so as not to destroy Meat. But as for me the Marlin and the round is STRICKLEY DEFENCIVE.



BIG

 

[HHhuntitall]

The leverlution 325s will do the work. It's the biggun's you don't expect that you don't want to be undergunned on... . I guess it was BIG that was showing me how he was carrying the large bullets, sorry GHARM..... lack of sleep... or intelligence, but I prefer the first excuse. Anyway, the 325s should dispatch any hungry bear there is, but shot placement is a pretty critical when you get to the really large bears, or so I've read and been told. But as I'm sure BIG's forestry friend will attest, trying to center the skull on a lumbering bear the size of a house is probably not an easy task, as I'm sure your shaking all over and convorting as well from the expression of excretion..... If all else fails, grab a handful and throw it in his eyes!! :-laf

 

[GHarman]

Lack of Sleep, I'm sure, HH!

A head shot(classic between the eyes) on a charging bear is risky!

That low sloping and very THICK skull can skin a slug off into the wild blue yonder with absolutely no effect on the bear other than to Pi** it off further. Solidifying in its mind that you are gonna be a steaming pile of "bear sign" on a forest trail, after he gets his revenge!

Shots fired down the throat, through the nose, the eye socket are all vulnerable shots if they are on all 4's charging you. However, you absolutely must retain a "stiff upper lip" whilst delivering that precision shot. Frankly speaking, unless you are accustomed to seeing Bear, a close up, high adrenaline encounter will probably be less accurate that you would desire! That's why fast, follow-up capability, is an absolutely necessity.

The real important thing is to be familiar with the anatomy of the critter you expect to encounter. Oh! And carry a change of Skivvies:-laf! GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

hey if i was getting charged by a grizzly i dont think i would care about my shoulder. it feels better now i could have kept going just wanted to get the steel hot, and it seems a shame to punch paper with those things.

HERE IS ANOTHER TACTIC!!!!! Although less successful AND HIGHLEY UNADVISEABLE. If you could get the bear to stand still because he's out of breath from chasing you and you could get a clear shot on him :-laf:-laf



SORRY FOR BEING A WISE A** IT'S JUST THE WAY I AM :-laf

 

[BIGNASTY]

The two guns that Im taking with me on trips in the mountains against BEAR'S are with OPEN SIGHTS I DONT WANT TO BE LOCATING SOMETHING P O ed IN A SCOPE OF ANY KIND!!!!!!



The Marlin Guide Gun SS, 6 SHOT

540-gr SuperHardCast Hammerhead at 1550-fps

The Ruger SuperRedhawk 7. 5 in, 5 SHOT

330-gr SuperHardCast Long Hammerhead at 1400-fps





JMO , and many others up here



THESE ROUNDS ARE NOT FOR THE FAINT OF HART (RECOIL IN THE MARLIN IS VERY STIFF!!!! THE RECOIL IN THE 44 MAG IN IS NOT TO BE BELIEVED)

 

[GHarman]

HERE IS ANOTHER TACTIC!!!!! Although less successful AND HIGHLEY UNADVISEABLE. If you could get the bear to stand still because he's out of breath from chasing you and you could get a clear shot on him :-laf:-laf



SORRY FOR BEING A WISE A** IT'S JUST THE WAY I AM :-laf

And thats just an iddy biddy BEAR!!!! GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

A Bear is a Bear Pard

 

[GHarman]

You Bet, Pard!! And the littln's are just as Nasty as the Bign's! GregH

 

[BIGNASTY]

Quote from Garrett









Final thoughts



It should be clearly understood that although a properly loaded large caliber handgun can be successfully deployed against an attacking bear, it certainly is not the gun of choice. It is best regarded as the gun of last resort. In my opinion, the short barreled lever-action carbine firing heavy bullets at modest speed reins supreme for the specific task of stopping a determined bruin. Also, as with the handgun, the lever-action carbine should be chambered in the largest caliber the shooter can handle. For most shooters this is probably the 45-70 with blunt hard-cast bullets of extreme weight.



- Randy Garrett

 

[BIGNASTY]

shoulder is a lot further forward than most think this is what I practice on

 

[KBurgoyne]

so next on the list is sierra 300 grain hollows with 64 grains of h335 or 50 of rl7. then some leverevolutions. dont know the charge yet but i ordered the latest hornady manual.

the winchester cases didnt stretch at all. they were exactly 2. 095. the hornadys are shorter by design, and i dont know what they are supposed to be yet. they were between 2. 030 and 2. 035.

 

[GHarman]

so next on the list is sierra 300 grain hollows with 64 grains of h335 or 50 of rl7. then some leverevolutions. dont know the charge yet but i ordered the latest hornady manual.

the winchester cases didnt stretch at all. they were exactly 2. 095. the hornadys are shorter by design, and i dont know what they are supposed to be yet. they were between 2. 030 and 2. 035.

Try the Nosler 300 Gr. Partitions, also! They are kinda expensive, but a quality game bullet. GregH