air filter

[redbone]

new guy I have a 2010 cummins & I was wondering if I can put a k&n air filter in it?

 

[jgillott]

First of all, welcome to TDR.

The idea of an olied air filter such as a k&n has been discussed at length here in various threads over the years. Please take a few moments to do a general forum search on "air flters" or "k&n filters" for a wealth of reading on the subject. Just be advised, there have been some very heated discussions on the subject.

For what it's worth, I personally use regular Mopar paper filters in my trucks.

 

[RustyJC]

With the susceptibility of diesel engines to catastrophic "dusting" damage, I would highly recommend that you base your choice of filters on ISO 5011 filtration efficiency (dust trapping ability) test results.

Rusty

 

[Simplysmn]

best answer to your question is If you Love your Truck Don't Waste your Money on a Junk Filter easiest way to find the real answer and that is Dodge will void your Warr. if you put 1 in the truck is do a web search on dodge cummin's with K&N Filter . It will Clearly show that there is no Benifit to useing a oiled filter . And Welcome to TDR the best site on the Web for a Dodge Ram truck.

 

[redbone]

thanks for the info

 

[Cummins12V98]

You WILL VIOD YOUR WARRANTY !

Shop at www.genos.com and support the people that own this great web site!

They have Fleetguard and Mopar products that are the BEST for your ride!

 

[Oil Stain]

I agree, stay with the stock filter.

 

[kkelley]

Don't hate... .
I'll flip that coin. People who actually use K&N filters don't have a lot of issues with them. Oil sampling doesn't show any additional contamination of the oil over factory paper filters. Also, you can read about K&N's third party lab tests of "contaminated" mass airflow sensors on their site. Mostly all of the hate on K&N is hearsay, and internet chatter. Some people have had actual issues, but some have also had factory parts fail... .
If you plan on power upgrades, they work well to let the engine breathe a little more efficiently. If not, they don't do a whole lot, a louder turbo whistle...

 

[Simplysmn]

Don't Hate ????? do some reading and you will see there JUNK if you feel like screwing up your truck by all mean's go ahead but don't sucker people into following you . Dodge has done studies to show they will allow dust to enter the turbo no thank's I think I'll stick to the STOCK air Box it flow's just as good . but doesn't allow dust to enter the system.

 

[RustyJC]

Mostly all of the hate on K&N is hearsay...

ISO-5011 test results are NOT hearsay.



Rusty

 

[mfurrh55]

Don't Hate ????? do some reading and you will see there JUNK if you feel like screwing up your truck by all mean's go ahead but don't sucker people into following you . Dodge has done studies to show they will allow dust to enter the turbo no thank's I think I'll stick to the STOCK air Box it flow's just as good . but doesn't allow dust to enter the system.

Been running K&N for 14 yrs. NO problems, I do run the cone filter, Monte

 

[Beast2B]

kinda off topic, but has anyone found third party tests including the Powercore filters from Donaldson? I know Volant offers the Powercore in some of their CAI kits and I'm interested. My one issue with ALMOST any factory airbox is not the flow, but the lack of sealing around the edge of the panel filters. Saw it on my 01, looks about the same on the 10. I much prefer a filter that uses a hose clamp style attachment, but some K&N filter grease around the seal in the stock box helps a bunch.

 

[firefighter_2000]

Had a K&N in my 99 for 13 years, and 300k miles. Never had an issue. Made the turbo whistle louder is all.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Don't hate... .
I'll flip that coin. People who actually use K&N filters don't have a lot of issues with them. Oil sampling doesn't show any additional contamination of the oil over factory paper filters. Also, you can read about K&N's third party lab tests of "contaminated" mass airflow sensors on their site. Mostly all of the hate on K&N is hearsay, and internet chatter. Some people have had actual issues, but some have also had factory parts fail... .
If you plan on power upgrades, they work well to let the engine breathe a little more efficiently. If not, they don't do a whole lot, a louder turbo whistle...

They WILL void your warranty!

 

[Oil Stain]

You could get away with it on the earlier years, but not the new versions, and they will void part of your warranty.

 

[cerberusiam]

Most people can't tell you they have problems with K&N filters because they won't beieve they have a problem. Brand blindness is a big issue with filters.

Every statement I see always wants to compare a turbo diesel truck to a 2 stroke naturally aspirated motorcycle. How do you draw a valid compaison there? It is done and if it works on the motorcylce it MUST work on the truck.

The facts are the oiled filters do not perform as well across the broad range of air flows. The K&N taps out way before the stock filter. Not a lot to argue about there. Unless you do the oiling EXACTLY right you are a) ingesting oil or b) ingesting dirt into the intake tract. Even oiled correctly at high flow the engine is ingesting oil and dirt.

Don't be hating on the facts the test uncover, its the reality not the marketing spin. The factory deep pleat filter is good for close to 500 HP and that is more than the engine will take in a constant duty cylce anyway.

 

[rscurtis]

For even further proof, check and see how many OTR trucks and construction equipment applications are using K&N style filters- I think you'll find the answer is zero or close to it. There is no upside to using one, only downsides. It's like riding a MC without a helmet- nothing to gain and an awful lot to lose.

 

[mfurrh55]

Most people can't tell you they have problems with K&N filters because they won't beieve they have a problem. Brand blindness is a big issue with filters.

Every statement I see always wants to compare a turbo diesel truck to a 2 stroke naturally aspirated motorcycle. How do you draw a valid compaison there? It is done and if it works on the motorcylce it MUST work on the truck.

The facts are the oiled filters do not perform as well across the broad range of air flows. The K&N taps out way before the stock filter. Not a lot to argue about there. Unless you do the oiling EXACTLY right you are a) ingesting oil or b) ingesting dirt into the intake tract. Even oiled correctly at high flow the engine is ingesting oil and dirt.

Don't be hating on the facts the test uncover, its the reality not the marketing spin. The factory deep pleat filter is good for close to 500 HP and that is more than the engine will take in a constant duty cylce anyway.

Wasn't comparing it to anything, just stating a fact, I don't have a problem with it,why should you, Take care,Monte

 

[seafish]

... Unless you do the oiling EXACTLY right you are a) ingesting oil or b) ingesting dirt into the intake tract.

IMO, that has ALWAYS been the problem with K&N and other oiled air filters... WAY too much chance for user error to cause damage... it is NOT necessarily the filtration capabilites of the filter, but HOW it is maintained, and that there is NO margin for error in technique of cleaning and drying and applying oil and then again drying the filter correctly. That is exactly why they work for some people (who have learned and follow the proper techniques) and NOT for others... in essence it IS a design flaw that K&N relies on the abilites of the end user to maintain proper filtration, while all other dry filters, ESPECIALLY, the newer, thicker oem filters, are just plug n' play. All that being said, you aslo make another good point as to whether the actual filtration specs on even a perfectly maintained K&N air filter are up to par for the finer air filtration needed for the CR engine versus the older 12 valves.

 

[Cummins12V98]

I have ran an AFE large cone stile filter for nearly 300K on my 98 12V and have had good oil reports.



But no way will I use that type of filter on my 2011 HO!



Mopar or Fleetguard from Geno's for me.