AIRHEAD ATTACK........Left the key on

[RATTLINRAM]

Got a question fellas,
I had a little Airhead Attack today when I went out to put the windows down on my truck. I forgot and left the key in the run position for about 6 hours. Needless to say, when I went to roll them up, I discovered what I had done. I turned it to off and back on to start it and it started just fine. Other than the radio playing for 6 hours yea, it was turned way down, did it harm anything? Would the grid heater have only cycled once when I first turned it on and when I didn't start it, it just sat there and played the radio the rest of the afternoon?
I bet I'll do the little trick that some of you have done so I can work the windows without the key!

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Dennis D. Tway
"RATTLIN" *1999 2500 SPORT QUAD CAB* "RAM"
IntenseBlue/SB/Cummins/4x2/auto/3. 54AS/4whlABS/Camper&TowPkg/
Keyless/Leather/TravelConGrp/SecuritySys/6spkrCD*Cass/Strngwhlcntrls/
WestinTubeSteps/SportMastersSoftTonneau/15k RBW 5th-WheelHitch/26'Nomad 5er (looking for a bigger one) and a way to take my HARLEY too!
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[EMDDIESEL]

What trick to make the windows work without the key? I would love to know where to wire that setup. I hate always fumbling for the keys when the truck is off.

 

[Great White]

I have never done that... ... . Yeah sure!
Do the window fix!
Rich

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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailerpkg,3. 54LSD, Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks,Amsoil... ... ... Except snowplow!

 

[Great White]

EMD, The "Window Fix" Has been done several ways. My way was to "Borrow" the Power seat feed while the left map light is on. uses one relay and takes about an hour to do.
Rich

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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailerpkg,3. 54LSD, Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks,Amsoil,Window Fix... ... ... Except snowplow!

 

[RATTLINRAM]

I know, I know Rich,... ... . this would not have happpened if I had followed thru with the instructions you sent me but,... ... . I've been Busy, Busy, Busy,... ... well not really.

EMDDIESEL, here's the email Rich sent me with the neat way he did his truck. >>>>>>

I wanted to have the windows operate with the key off. I always seem to "hop" out with the windows down, or leave the wife without the key!
So what I did was tap a wire to the left overhead courtesy lamp and feed a Bosch 071 relay. (a common automotive relay used for alarms & such)
The relay was tucked inside and aft of the fuse door on left side of the dash. In this fuse panel is where the window circuit breaker and the power seat breakers are located. The window circuit is switched by the key. The seat circuit is hot all the time.
The trick is to manufacture some small jumpers using Small male and female spade connectors to access the two circuits. One jumper is the "tee" tap to the load side of seat circuit for alternate source to n/o relay contact
One jumper is the to the load side of the window circuit breaker to n/c relay contact
two jumpers allow the circuit breakers to lifted away from the fuse block
the last jumper connects the common side of the relay back to the load side of the window breakers position to feed the window themselves.
A small amount of filing on side of male spades is needed to allow them to enter the fuse block, maybe . 050" removed?
Look at the breakers and their male contacts that enter the fuse block

The normally (n/c) contact is connected to the window feed via the key.
The alternate window feed is from the seat circuit which is always hot goes to the normally open (n/o).
The coil of the relay goes to the map light (two wires + &-) Bare the wires at the lamp socket, solder & tape.

So whenever the "map" light is on the windows work!
If you open the doors, disarm the alarm remotely or manually turn on the left map light the windows work!

COOL HUH. .

Now I just got to get off my procrastinating butt and do it!

Thanks again Rich.

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Dennis D. Tway
"RATTLIN" *1999 2500 SPORT QUAD CAB* "RAM"
IntenseBlue/SB/Cummins/4x2/auto/3. 54AS/4whlABS/Camper&TowPkg/
Keyless/Leather/TravelConGrp/SecuritySys/6spkrCD*Cass/Strngwhlcntrls/
WestinTubeSteps/SportMastersSoftTonneau/15k RBW 5th-WheelHitch/26'Nomad 5er (looking for a bigger one) and a way to take my HARLEY too!
-- email address removed -- or -- email address removed --

[This message has been edited by RATTLINRAM (edited 04-30-2001). ]

 

[Wally19]

Check out thes old post, it has a few pictures of what you are trying to do.
https://www.turbodieselregister.com/ubb//Forum17/HTML/000883.html

Jason

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2001 2500 6 speed no mods yet

 

[JohnE]

I cannot think of any damage (besides your pride) down with this dastardly deed.
No electric fuel pump.
No ignition system.
The fuel shutoff solenoid doesn't know the difference between standing in you <em>drive</em>way and cruising down the <em>park</em>way. (Love that twist on words!)

If the only current was your radio and no daytime running lights or something else the batteries should be fine, too.

I personally want the windows live and the seat on ignition. I always manage to catch the power seat buttons when leaning inside to grab stuff.

Cheers;
JohnE

 

[illflem]

Some things I've always wondered about. Owners manuals always say to only adjust the seat when the vehicle is stopped, seems like it should only work when the rig is off. What do you do to escape a drowning car and the doors won't open, hope the key is in the right position? I would have rather had crank style windows on my rig if they were available.

 

[BigDaddy]

RATTLINRAM,

No damage to the intake heater with leaving the key on, this circuit is timed. If you leave the key in the on position for more than two minutes, without starting the engine, you must turn the key off and then back to on, to power the intake heater again.


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<font color=forestgreen>2000</font> DODGE <font color=forestgreen>RAM</font>, <font color=forestgreen>2500 HD</font>, 4x4 SLT, Reg. Cab, <font color=forestgreen>Forest Green</font>, Agate interior, Cummins ISB, Auto, Shift-on-the-Fly (241HD), 4. 10 LS, ABS, Trailer Tow Group, Camper Group, Michelin; DC: Fog Lights Kit, Tow Rings, Under Rail Bedliner, VentVisors, Splash Guards, Cold Weather Cover, & Mats.
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[Rambling]

Bill - guess you need one of those 'escape' hammers if you have electric windows and think you might try driving under water #ad
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[Bill Lins]

Hard to swing a hammer under water. A spring-loaded ("one-handed") center punch works much better.

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Bill Lins Wharton, TX 98 2500 QC SLT,12 (the CORRECT # of)valves,NV4500,3. 54 LSD,Manik grille guard,Semi-Psychotty Air,Amsoil everywhere, Reading aluminum utility body and bumper,Optima yellow tops- silencer ring & muffler stolen.

 

[ducman]

hey rattlin ram can you or anyone else post a wiring diagram for the mods you describe? the old post is faster to hook up but your's is a lot safer thanks tony b

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98 1/2 2500 4x4 standard cab long bed american eagle 16x8 no muffler roll pan was driftwood now 2000 galaxy blue after $12000. 00rear end job. rhino liner ,ram brush guard &nerf bars

 

[RATTLINRAM]

JohnE & BigDaddy,
Thanks for the good news. I was thinking it probably worked that way. I normally don't leave keys in anything but the truck was parked in the yard while I was cutting a 75' pine tree down beside the driveway to make room for a double-wide carport. RATTLINRAM'S new home


ducman,
Maybe GreatWhite Rich can post a wiring diagram for us since I think he plays with this electrical kind of stuff and sometimes it easier to just look at the picture. #ad

How about it Rich?

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Dennis D. Tway
"RATTLIN" *1999 2500 SPORT QUAD CAB* "RAM"
IntenseBlue/SB/Cummins/4x2/auto/3. 54AS/4whlABS/Camper&TowPkg/
Keyless/Leather/TravelConGrp/SecuritySys/6spkrCD*Cass/Strngwhlcntrls/
WestinTubeSteps/SportMastersSoftTonneau/15k RBW 5th-WheelHitch/26'Nomad 5er (looking for a bigger one) and a way to take my HARLEY too!
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[Great White]

Drawing is AVAILABLE. File is in paint format and is 2+Mb. Post your request... Maybe someone more computer literate than I knows how to post it somewhere where everyone can see it??? Please!
Rich
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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailerpkg,3. 54LSD, Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks,Amsoil,Window Fix... ... ... #ad
Except snowplow!

[This message has been edited by Great White (edited 05-01-2001). ]

 

[David_VT]

Send it to me and I will serve it up for you. Make sure you give me your full name so I can stamp it on the drawing (assuming you want credit for your work).

There are some advantages to being an ISP's network admin... #ad
!!

As to escaping from my Ram underwater, if I can't just drive the mighty cummins out, I figure the sliding window will work.

[This message has been edited by David_VT (edited 05-02-2001). ]

 

[Mick2500]

Rich,
I put the copy you sent me up on Photopoint.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=1305638&a=9690631&p=47770080&f=0

I also forwarded a copy to David_VT

Mick

 

[Great White]

Thank you Mick!
Rich WhiteS

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2001. 5 2500 ETH/DEE 4x4,Patriot Blue over Silver,Camper pkg, Trailerpkg,3. 54LSD, Agate Leather,Stainless Smitty Bars,Tow hooks,Amsoil,Window Fix... ... ... Except snowplow!

 

[Dave Fritz]

I have posted the information, as an HTML file, here: http://dodgeram.org/tech/mods/electric/window_power.htm
The diagram has been reduced from a 2M bmp file to a 6k gif image, 3k of text, and 11k of web page "overhead".

Dave

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1994 2500HD 4X4 modified for off-road camping
2001 2500 ETH/DEE QC SB 4X4
Fritz's DodgeRam.org

 

[MCrossley]

just out of curiosity, how deep has anyone actually driven their truck into water, I know some guys who have done stream crossing but how deep could you really go before water in something became an issue?

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TAZ... 2001 2500 SLT+ 4X4 Auto ETC Cummins, LSD 3. 54,Quad Cab, Long Bed, Agate Leather, White/Driftwood Exterior, Sliding rear window, Camper Special Group, Towing Group, Cab clearance lights,SPA-Technique Digital Dual Gauges (Pyro/Boost, Trans pressure/temp) Aux. Backup lamps. BNM 5th Wheel Hitch, Additional Body Molding on Bed. Line-X bed-liner. DTT's TC & VB, Pac Brake, Power Edge, Edge EZ, Grover Air Horns

2000 32' Aljo Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

http://www.ramtaz.com

Add on's to come: any other Ram Runner required modifications...

 

[illflem]

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No, it's not my truck. Aparently the guy was able to drive it out on it's own power.

[This message has been edited by illflem (edited 05-03-2001). ]