Amalgamated fuel additive TDR formula

[24V-DSL]

126K and someone's additive in EVERY tank since new. Hand calculate each fill up. I've tried Stanadyne, Howes, Redline, Power Service, and Amsoil. None of them gave me any better mileage, altho some of them did quiet down the engine. I stuck with additives for the theory of pump lubricity.



I've run five tanks since switching to Amalgamated and my average is up 1 mpg. No biggie for some of you who claim mileage increases from injectors, boxes, etc. Engine is noticeable quieter, especially at cold start.



I've held off purchasing because of the 5 gal. minimum and $40 shipping charge, but even then the cost per gallon is half of what I had been paying for Stanadyne ($18 vs. $35. 86)

 

[nps]

Where are you ordering it from?

 

[24V-DSL]

www.amalgamatedinc.com



260. 489. 2549



TDR 21665-15 is the stock number. No credit cards. Checks only. They processed and shipped very quickly.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

24V-DSL,



Amalgamated is good stuff. It's the best additive I have used. Much better than Stanadyne. I still have 1/2 of a can left. I like to "stack" it w/ a little Amsoil Cetane boost. When it runs out I will order more.



A stong buy.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I wish there was some reliable independent lab test available on these various brands - sure, better MPG is fine, it's something you can SEE and measure - but how good is it in your basic reason for using it - better lubricity?



Personally, I will sacrifice MPG and cetane boost for LUBRICITY in a heartbeat - unfortunately, you can't normally SEE or measure better lubricity - you just pay, and trust...

 

[Eric Lee]

Gary Pipenger owner of Amalgamated can supply you with all the test data you can read on his products and extensive data on how it stacks up with all it's competitors. If you want to pour over actual test data - he's run them and will fax you all your machine can handle. He is also widely published on many topics of fuel characteristics and is honestly the real deal. His plant has a full laboratory and mixes per order.



I live north of his plant in Ft. Wayne IN and saved by picking it up - well worth the trip to see and meet him and his wife.



I've have a 2nd gen so she's loud anyway - I've not checked the fuel mileage really ever - but I believe the test data pertaining to my concerns - cetane, lubricity, and detergent content.



We all know that these additives can be smoke and mirrors - an old Dutchman taught me " if you don't know about what you're buying - know who you're buying it from". The only thing I need to know about diesel additives is Gary's number at Amalgamated.



- Eric

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Gary Pipenger owner of Amalgamated can supply you with all the test data you can read on his products and extensive data on how it stacks up with all it's competitors. "



NOT to knock Gary in the least - but I have run several dyno runs on my truck, and quite a few oil analysis tests - when it comes to posting my various numbers, which ones do ya suppose I use?



Why, the ones that make me LOOK best, of course!



I doubt I am all that different from others - business owners as well as private cirizens... :-laf



I have seen at least ONE popular major synthetic oil refiner (no, not Amsoil!) pick and choose from SEVERAL different test reports, picking the BEST numbers in various categories from each, as a means to make their total product look it's best. Pretty devious in my book!



That's why I stipulated an INDEPENDENT study, not paid for or sponsored by any chemical company, and testing in areas that most closely paralleled and applied to our injection pumps.



I use Power Service Diesel Kleen, primarally because it's basic focus is on lubricity - features such as injector and fuel system cleaning and cetane boost are in there as well - but my main interest is lubricity - and the stuff is easily and economically available at Walmart stores.



If there was another brand I knew was better, and as easily/economically available, I'd buy and use it in a heartbeat!

 

[Eric Lee]

Cheap and good

I don't know about what a certain level of cetane does to mileage - but the higher cetane, the shorter the ignition delay and the cleaner the burn. I also know that it takes a certain amount of a chemical to get each point higher cetane. Chemicals cost money - and to get on a shelf at Walmart you better be cheap.



Unlike many consumers now - cost is not a primary concern when I'm looking to buy something I need. Not that I'm rich, I'm not, but I wouldn't step foot in a Walmart if you gave me a $1000 shopping spree. What the heck would I do with $1000 worth of Chinese crap?



Like I said if you want to talk about which might be better or cheaper or whatever - go on. If you want actual data and access to a superior product call Amalgamated. All his testing is done by an independant lab and does what it says it will do.



Your Power Service product claims to boost cetane by 4 numbers - what an independant lab (Research Laboritories, Inc. Ft Wayne) shows is that it actually improves it by only 0. 6 - Whereas the Amalgamated additive in my truck claims to improve cetane levels by 5 points - actually does. How accurate do you think their claims are as far as detergency and lubricity are? It takes chemicals to achieve results - chemicals cost money -You want it cheap - you got it.



All this info came from a 2" stack of paper Gary sent me home with -



- Eric

 

[Doubleclutch]

I think we all got introduced to Amalgamated Diesel from an article in the TDR magazine on Premium Diesel. Can't remember the issue number due to CRS disease, but Mr. Pipenger set a lot of us straignt on the meaning of "premium pump diesel". I've tried the other cetane additives, but my old 12v sounds happiest with 5 extra cetane in the tank.

Greg

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Sorry, but I tend to be a born sceptic - especially when glowing info for a specific product is presented by the MAKER of that product...



If you look at Ford, GM, or DC's advertising, complete with THEIR chosen and supplied data, they each clearly have "the best vehicles on the market"! And the EACH can and will send you out with "a tall stack of info" that "proves" their claims.



So a chemical outfit sends out 100 identical samples of their stuff for analysis - and when they all come back, there are the usual normal variations - just as there have been in some of my past oil analysis samples - WHICH of the returned samples do you REALLY think are selected to pass on to interested customers, or used in company advertisements, the best ones, or the worse?



Grand claims and statistics provided by makers, taken alone, don't mean diddly-squat most of the time, in my opinion - nor do "independent tests" bought and paid for by the maker of that product.



Slick 50 claimed THEIR stuff was the "greatest" too, and could provide some pretty convincing statistics and data to "prove" it as well - and we know where they are today.



No, I'm NOT saying Amalgamated falls into that category, only that I'd sorta take test reports and statistics THEY provide as "proof" of excellence, with a grain of salt, unless OTHER unassociated sources can be shown to duplicate and back up those claims.



As with most other goods, use what you are convinced is most useful to YOU, you are the one that has to be satisfied and live with the results.





YMMV!

 

[TxDieselKid]

Gary,



No ofence, but not everyone is out to get you. Sometimes you CAN trust people.



Just joshing ya man. From reading your post you not only tend to be sceptic, you seem like your afraid someone is out to get you.



Some companies do not do things like you speak of. I am not vouching for Amalgamated, but I am not saying what they have said in their tests are wrong either.



I think that while most additives do add lubricity, some are better then others for our engines. Amalgamated designed this particular additive just for our application. With that in mind, it can't be a "bad" thing to put in our engines.



Is it the best? Who knows.

Is it better then no additive? I would venture to guess yes.

 

[24V-DSL]

Gary...



Just wondering how Power Service claims pass your smell test? You're right on one thing, it is probably the least expensive (read cheapest) and readily available at Wal-Mart.



If you're ever back in the Willamette valley, let me know and I'll give you a half gallon of Amalgamated.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gary...



Just wondering how Power Service claims pass your smell test? You're right on one thing, it is probably the least expensive (read cheapest) and readily available at Wal-Mart.



If you're ever back in the Willamette valley, let me know and I'll give you a half gallon of Amalgamated.

I have no reason to doubt that the Amalgamated is decent stuff - THAT is not my point - my POINT is, that simply swallowing a maker's claim of excellence, based upon THEIR carefully selected source of "proof", CAN be, and often is, deceptive - they ALL carefully present their best side - and my ONLY point here is a reasonable degree of caution, not only on THIS product, but others as well!



How do I base my choice of PS? Well, as I said, it's easily available, economical, widely distributed in major truck stops and used by the 18 wheeler crowd - and even at THAT, I still mix it 50-50 with ashless synthetic 2-stroke oil. No, I don't blindly put all my faith in PS, either!



It just sorta rings my bell when some well-meaning enthusiastic user and promoter of some product steps up claiming it is great stuff, because "the maker (you know, the guy making the PROFIT if you buy it!) SAYS it is good stuff, and gave me HIS material to prove it!".



Is PS "better than all others?"



I doubt it.



Is it as good as *most*?



Probably.



Is it better than nothing at all?



Undoubtedly.



But I have no more actual PERSONAL experience as to exactly how it's doing in MY truck, than the guys running other competing brands, other than the fact that using my fuel additive "system", my LP and VP-44 have been trouble-free since new.



I doubt ANY users of other brands can make any better a claim, or have any better an idea as to exactly what their chosen brand is doing inside their pumps and engines, either!



We all have to believe in SOMETHING...



*I* believe I will go upstairs and tak a nap!

 

[bmoeller]

I've run PS, Howes and Lucas. Mileage-wise, the Lucas is the only one that I saw a mileage gain from. Not much, but it is consistant. You can tell when you didn't put any in.



The quality of the fuel makes a difference also.

 

[Eric Lee]

We just got a station here that is supplying B20 and I am a little apprehensive about using it. I really like the idea but... ... she's never had anything but straight diesel. This thread has reminded me who I need to ask about the safety and compatability with my fuel system.



Looking through the publications I got at Amalgamated - looks like they mix additives specifically for use with biofuel. Winterizing is definately an issue as is compatability with rubber components. Since they mix per order I'm sure they could customize the TDR formula.



I'll call him and ask about it - I'll post it here - Eric



-Eric

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Regardless of selected brand of fuel additive, I fervently believe and urge that SOME sort of quality additive be used, especially in the failure-prone VP-44 equipped trucks. The soon to be common Ultra Low Sulphur Diesel fuels are likely to claim even more victims among us - and a small trickle of $$$ now added to the fuel just MIGHT prevent a $$$ landslide down the road.



And like a serious heart medicine, it really needs to be applied REGULARLY, not casually or "once a month or so".



Cheers!

 

[jjohn]

Anyone order this lately

 

[Doubleclutch]

Hello jjohn- I've still got 3/4 of a 5 gallon can sitting in my garage. Put it to good use on my '96, and started using it on the 2004. 5... and had an injector stick-once. I'm not the superstitious type, but ever since then, I turn three times in a circle to the left, and spit to the east every time I see the barrel now, and don't get any nearer to it than a cubit and a half. In summary, it worked really well on the 12v, but I'm nervous to continue using it in the 24v due to the de-lubricity-ness of the beast. (Per Kevin Dinwiddie, a tribologist who worked for Lubrication Engineers at the time, cetane enhancers -alone- reduce lubricity).

Greg

 

[swmnkdinthervr]

(Per Kevin Dinwiddie, a tribologist who worked for Lubrication Engineers at the time, cetane enhancers -alone- reduce lubricity).

Greg

I have to agree with this statement... I'm not certain where I read it (guess I'll have to go looking) but there was a report on the lubricity issues with ULSD pertaining to per '07 diesels that included tests of at least 3-4 of the top cetane/lubricity additives... both forms of Power Service and Standyne were listed as reducing lubricity...

 

[Cooker]

Per Kevin Dinwiddie, a tribologist who worked for Lubrication Engineers at the time, cetane enhancers -alone- reduce lubricity).

This is a very true statement, but almagated is much more than a stand along cetane enhancer.