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From an Op-Ed Column:

America is a police state



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Posted: May 13, 2003

1:00 a. m. Eastern







About 10 days ago, some obscure British diplomat opined that America was becoming a police state. This utterance brought on the usual expressions of outrage from Americans who have grown somewhat weary of the anti-American sentiments of foreign leftists.



Now that the rhetoric has died down a bit, can we take a second look at what this anti-American firebrand had to say? While it's almost certainly true that this British politician's statement had malicious, rather than benevolent, overtones, perhaps we should consider whether there might be some truth in his words. Let's take that "police state" charge and run with it for a few hundred words.



First, a definition: The Internet's dictionary.com website defines "police state" as: "A state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the people, especially by means of a secret police force. "



Simple enough! All we have to do now is discern whether or not our beloved country exercises what might be called "rigid and oppressive controls" over our "social, economic and political life. " I'm certainly not here to argue that America has become a police state in the image of any number of communist, fascist or theocratic regimes you could name. Let's just say that we need to look at this picture a bit more closely.



First, our social life: We begin early here, with zero-tolerance rules in our schools. Would you say that kicking a young girl out of school because her Tweetie Bird key chain is a weapon is just a bit rigid? How about expelling an Eagle Scout who inadvertently came to school with his Boy Scout ax in the trunk of his car after a Scout meeting the previous night?



As we move into adulthood, we face Republican Sen. Rick Santorum's expressed belief that the nuances of our sex lives ought to be subject to government regulation based on majority rule! In Santorum's America, you would presumably have to get your government's blessing before you became too adventurous with your mate in the privacy of your home. In some states – Alabama, for instance – the "improper" use of a battery-operated device could land you in the pokey!



And what of the sanctity of your home? In Covington, Ga. , you are required by law to submit to government inspections of your home. They even measure the temperature inside your refrigerator! If you resist the inspection, you will be arrested and jailed while the government inspectors prowl through your stuff.



In government colleges and universities across the nation, students are subject to disciplinary action if they utter an "offensive" or "insensitive" thought.



We're running out of space ... so let's move on to our economic lives.



The level of taxation burdening the average American family in 2003 is higher than that imposed by the British Crown in pre-revolutionary war America. Many Americans work into the month of June without earning one single penny for themselves. We are forced to "contribute" almost 15 percent of our earnings into a bankrupt income redistribution /vote-buying scheme that is sold to us as a retirement and insurance plan. Our government goes to extreme measures to make it as difficult as possible for us to provide for the health-care needs of our families, preferring instead to build dependence on employers and government.



Our government can pry into your bank accounts without your knowledge or permission, and just recently tried to enact a program that would require your bank or credit union to notify the government in the event you engage in any economic activity that doesn't track with your past behavior.



Remember, also, the forfeiture regulations. We actually had a U. S. senator introduce legislation that, if it had become law, would have permitted any local or federal law enforcement officer to seize your cash if he happened to find you carrying more than 10 grand in an airport, bus station, interstate highway or most other public places. No arrest, no questions, no charges ... just take the money. The legislation failed, but police agencies seize cash from hapless citizens just the same.



We find evidence of government rigidity and oppression in our political lives too. Just try to get a third party on a ballot in almost any state. It's difficult to impossible. Gerrymandering voters into congressional districts shaped like drunken tapeworms denies many voters an effective voice in Congress. And let's not forget the Democrats' efforts in 2000 to wipe out the votes of Americans serving abroad in the uniform of our armed forces.



Finally, what about the definition's reference to "secret police?" Consider the IRS, the DEA and the ATF. The IRS, for instance, pays your neighbor or co-worker to spy on your economic and social behavior.



Space runs short, the examples do not. For further reading, I refer you to the Bush administration's Patriot Acts I and II.



Happy reading.
 
Nothing new here

Yessir and we were headed that way long before 9/11.



It's been said the if OSHA existed back when America was being "electrified", nobody would have 110VAC in their house 'cause OSHA's technocrats would deem it too dangerous.



How did we ever survive hand cranked cars and the like w/o government supervision? :)



Tim
 
One of the things that is most alarming to me, is the continuous and increasing deluge of new laws, regulations, and codes that are dumped onto us each year. The Texas legislature alone produces more than 3,500 new pieces in each session - that's every two years. Multiply that by 50, then factor in the weight of new Federal legislation, CONTINUOUS and impenetrable (to the average citizen) changes in Federal, state, and local tax codes, along with various municipal regulations, and you quickly notice that people are being smothered under a blanket of regulation.



How can individual freedom survive such relentless assault without being completely stifled by a State that has accrued power over even the most trivial aspects of our lives (for example, what kind of toys we can buy for our kids).



Am I indeed the only person who wonders what our lives will be like, after another oh, say 50 years, of continued legislation and rule-making? I can't help but picture a grim corporate America where the only way to survive is for everyone to be a lawyer.



If a nation that is girded by an enormous framework of rules and regulations, an enormous penal system, and bazillions of regulatory, security, and police agencies is NOT a police state, I'd sure hate to see one that qualifies.....
 
I thought it was henney pin



that said



"the sky is falling, the sky is falling... ..... "

We have way too much political correctness(that is what was involved in the school expulsions), and there is goofyness abounding, but if this is a police state, England is a state prison.



Vaughn
 
Police state?

Not quite yet, but theyre trying real hard.

Believe me, I'm not pro terrorist, but this homeland security thing is pretty scary.

I'd say NJ and Cali is about the closest to being a police state(s).

This is all too Orwellian for me... ... .

Eric:D
 
I can't add anything since I do not life in the States and I'm not a citizen of the States. "Observing" the situation in the States from

here makes me wonder if the freedom you've been so proud of in the past is still the "freedom" of today. :confused:



One thing caught my attention in a particular manner.



Many Americans work into the month of June without earning one single penny for themselves. We are forced to "contribute" almost 15 percent of our earnings into a bankrupt income redistribution /vote-buying scheme that is sold to us as a retirement and insurance plan.



Well guys if you think you pay too mauch taxes we here in Italy got it worser!



I'm self employed, run my own small company, that gives an income to several famylies.



Well about 63% of my income goes into taxes... ... .

:mad:

In other words it's almost August before I earn money for me and my family.



Oh well... .



Marco
 
For Marco

Marco, does Italy have socialized medicine? If it does you can count a few months of tax for that. It would cost you approx 700. 00 per single employee, per month, for non existent coverage on only full moons here in the states. We here in the states have the private sector and the government extorting cash from us on a regular basis. :D
 
Yes we do have socialized medicine.



Both systems ( yours and ours ) have their bright and dark sides,

but in all honesty I think our system works better for average Joe.



The rich can have any doc they want or need anyway...



So you're saying an employee spends 700 bucks a month for health insurance over there?? That's a lot of money...



We spend less.
 
That

That cost is for the employer, if the employee has kids a family of four costs around 1600. 00, the employer would pay around 1100. 00. Most companys are on a 80/20 plan. They pay 80% and the employee pays 20%.



This is not a full coverage plan, coverage is only 80/20 and doctor visits are payed in cash up to 250. 00 deductable! :D



Yet our insurance companys have everyone scared of socialized medicine. Big money has ways of bending the publics perception to their view. :D Just look at the Republican party?:D :D



You are right about the light and dark sides of both.
 
It's almost impossible to compare our systems, they are way too different.



Ours is based upon the solidarity principle. That means all those who CAN pay for the health insurance do so. That makes it possible for the system to cure the poor/old/unemployed or whomever is not able to pay for the health service to be cured in a hosipatal FREE OF CHRAGE.



Sure also our system has it's problems but I must say I'm more than willing to pay a little more but I know that everybody has the right, yes the RIGHT to be cured.



After all, money comes and goes. People come and go, goverments too... at the end the most important thing is HEALTH!

For everyone.



Marco
 
Originally posted by Marco

It's almost impossible to compare our systems, they are way too different.



Ours is based upon the solidarity principle. That means all those who CAN pay for the health insurance do so. That makes it possible for the system to cure the poor/old/unemployed or whomever is not able to pay for the health service to be cured in a hosipatal FREE OF CHRAGE.



Marco



Actually our system works very similar.

Those who actually pay their bills, in a round about way , pay for those that dont. The difference is, it dont go through the Govt, it's through the service provider.

Good part is, it dont have to go through the Govt (have you ever heard the saying, "An elephant is a mouse built to Govt specs'? )

bad part is, there are people who fall through the cracks.

These are mostly self employed individuals like yourself Marco.

Eric
 
All reading this,

I am new here and this is my first post:rolleyes: I saw this

post and had to chime in as I live eat and breath this

subject(MY FREEDOM!)

If you take into account ALL of the taxes we pay , income,

state, local, sales, exsizes, utility, fuel,ect. ect and add

all of that to everything we consume and the fact that

all of that has had taxes, fees paid by others before

we ever got our sticky fingers on whatever we were

after, than we see 50% + for most Americans!

I will stop at that:mad:

Kirk
 
Let us try this one... . I pay 30% Federal tax, 7% State tax, 7 1/2% FICA, my employer matches that 7 1/2% and then 6% Sales tax on what I spend. That is over 53% and that does not count the use taxes and fuel taxes.
 
They will try to say- but it is the EMPLOYER that pays that portion of social security. No it is not you pay it. If that were not there the self employed would have that money. If a trade union knows that this hour of work, these X pieces of steel set per hour , these X bricks per worker per hour are worth a certain amount to an employer, then the social security and pension /medical come off the top. You may not see it. That does not mean it does not cost you. Because the union bargains and you get paid based on what is left over. Then you get to pay taxes on the money you will never get that is being given to SSI drug addicted losers who never worked. I do hope my mom lives a very long time. I want to see someone in my family actually get money from Social security.
 
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