AMSOIL; Negative feedback?

[Brandon]

I agree with Ifflem and Patrick. Amsoil=Amway, and sales hype. If amsoil was so good Costco, Walmart, Kragen etc. would sell it. I am surprised that all you diesel
lovers could love a oil like this. Maybe the price of it makes you feel good dropping it in your truck. I proudly use LE!!!!

Brandons "old lady" (1st POST)

Danelle #ad
I authorized him to get it Gene due to high request for the meeting. But you won't see it in any thing else in our shop. Thanks for the great price too!!!


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[Sled Puller]

Uh, Danelle?
What Wal Mart is carrying LE products?
By using your logic, the oil you are proud of must not be any good because the Big W doesn't carry it! #ad
LOL
I don't know, does the price make you feel better? #ad

No offense meant!
Gene

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[DocStressor]

Gary -- Bob Riley's point is that Blackstones "average" wear values are meaninless since they don't average over miles or hours. In other words, it seems that they average the amount of wear metal they see for a particular engine regardless if the oil had 3k or 30k miles on it. Hard metals (iron) tend to accumulate linearly over time and soft metal (copper) accumulation seems to accelerate with mileage on the oil. The trend data you get from Blackstone for each engine is fine.

TBN data is useful even if you don't do extended drains. If you drive a lot of short trips and/or let the vehicle sit for long periods of time, high levels of acid can form with very few miles.

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1999 Quad cab 2500, SB, SLT, 4X4, 5-speed, 3. 54, tow and camper package, Lance 820 camper, Lance cabover stabilizers, Rancho 9000s, Airlift airbags

 

[Bob Riley]

Gary,
Several things. First off, TBN numbers show the ability of the oil to reduce acid build-up. If you are experiencing low wear, you might think, I'll take this oil longer, when it has in actuality reached it limits of protection. Detroit diesel actually codems oil based on TBN numbers, not wear metals. Also, they combine soot in total insolubles. By not knowing the soot by itself, you may not be able to dissern a mechanical problem with an ignition problem. Case in point. One of my customers sent in a sample to BS and Oil analysers. Iron was real high. BS told him to take the truck off the road and pull the engine. That was a quote. There was not enough info to tell what was going on. Oil analilysers told him that because he had high iron and high soot, he had a combustion problem. They figured out it was his chip he was running. They told him the engine was fine and change the oil. He did so, and fixed the chip issue and now has normal findings. He owns a car hauling business. He could not afford to take the truck off the road just because his incomplete analysis required a dissasembly of the engine to determine the results.
Second case. Oil sample taken after 20k miles accumulative miles. Same oil. BS told him his engine was shot to have such short miles (2K) and such high wear. When questioned why they put 2k when he said 20k. They said, we have no way to determine the wear at 20k so we assumed you must have meant 2k miles. We have no baseline for extended drains.
My question to this is, what about all the Navistar engines running around? They run longer intervals than we do.

Gary, I could go on and on, but I need not to. The average I spoke of should encompass all wear rates of all like engines. Normal means nothing unless you have perspectives of what you are comparing it to. My point is I think this is just a way of makeing you feel good instead of giving you a complete analysis and letting you compare.

I really think they will do a fine job for gas engines, but I feel they fall short in diesel applications. And I nor any Amsoil dealer make a dime on oil analysis thru oil analysers, just in case you wondered if there was a motive. There is not.
Bob