AMSOIL; Negative feedback?

[Bob Riley]

Quote; The
warranty on your vehicle would be jeopardized if a non-certified oil caused damage to your engine. ”


Fact;
The use of ANY oil not with the DC logo on it that cuses damage is NOT COVERED UNDER WARRANTEE. You notice they say "may"? The oil co in any case is responsible for any damge it causes. If you think Dodge will buy you a new engine if your Delo fails causing damage, you have got a huge eye opening experience coming. You can ask them this question as well. You can even forward this posting to them for all to see as well. They give you ratings that let you know what "alternative" oils you are allowed to use. They must by Federal law give you alternative choices of oils to theirs. By giving you ratings to follow, you then know what type oil will fit your application. This does not mean they warrant the use of it. Please don't tell me I'm wrong till you resend them this post and see their response. I have personally gotten responses for the OEM manufacturers on this. This is the law folks. You are riding on the oil company's warrantee even if you cahnge the oil every day.
Bob

 

[Sled Puller]

Sorry Frank,
Didn't mean to rile you. I was assuming you wanted the best oil, I use the 5W-30. Then you mentioned 5W-40 and I thought you misunderstood.
If you have been here since 99, surely you have read these posts before?
Gene

 

[Timinator]

The burden is on the dealer to show the cause of the failure. They can use information against you, but they cannot merely state a conclusion based on the information, i. e. , "you used XYZ motor oil additive, therefore you're engine failed. " The unfavorable information would likely tell them where to look for the proof, however.

 

[amsoilman]

In regards to warranty and the use of the Amsoil oils in vehicles, lets look at the facts.

No manufacturer has ever voided a warranty on a vehicle simply by using the Amsoil product!

Wouldn't one think that after Amsoil being in business and selling their oils for over 28 years, some manufacturer would have voided the warranty by its use in the vehicle?

These are FACTS!

Wayne

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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
Wayne Owen

 

[illflem]

Why does Amsoil continue to not get API certified? Seems like the added sales to folks who don't trust a non-certified product would more than pay for certification. It makes me and many others wonder if there is something going on here that we're not hearing about.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Bob,

My last name is Riley too.

Could you possibly be my long lost rich brother? #ad
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Bill R
94 2500 SLT 4x4 5 Speed, 3. 54 LS, JRE 4" exhaust, Autometer Pyro, Boost & Water temp gauges, Bosch 215 HP injectors, Timing @ 14. 7º, JRE Stage III #4 plate 270/675, AFC spring kit, Scotty Air, Bully Dog Propane Injection, Roadmaster Active Suspension, Optima Red Tops, Geno's Exhaust Blanket, Espar Heater (won it!), Synthetic lubes throughout.

 

[Piersol]

I'm sure amsoil is a good product but I use Shell rotella T and I will quote my latest oil analysis report from Blackstone; "Steady wear trends like these are a good indication of normal wearing parts, and careful operation. The viscosity was normal for a 15W40. Insolubles were low at 0. 2% showing excellent oil filtration and low soot levels. At 76,000 total miles, your 5. 9 L appears to be doing well. With wear at these levels, your engine may last forever. " If it aint broke, don't fix it! I don't carehow many glowing reports amsoil gets, I'm not changing.

[This message has been edited by JJP (edited 03-17-2001). ]

 

[drawson]

Bill, Try it you'll like it. API doesn't so any testing just gathering of data supplied by the manu. AmsOil can supply you with the labs doing it's tests and they are some of the best labs in the USA. Blackstone Labs reguards AmsOil very highly.

 

[Bob Riley]

JJP,
I don't like "normal wearing parts" #ad
I like "not wearing parts". #ad

Bob

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[Piersol]

Bob, I know of no amsoil dealer who says amsoil will cause no wear in an engine. If you can find one, I'll show you a big fat liar.

 

[illflem]

Dee, I'm sure that Amsoil is great stuff, the main reason I don't use it, besides being totally turned off by the sales hype, is that I go though 150 gallons of Delo per year with other trucks and tractors. It's a matter of cost and convenience for me, plus the fact that Delo has preformed just fine for me for over 25 years.
Main reason I bring up certification is that it seems really strange that Amsoil chooses not to use a labeling that is standard with most all other oils. I could list some reasons why I've heard they don't certify, but won't because I have no way of knowing if they are true and don't want to spread rumors.

 

[Sled Puller]

JJP,
Come down to Edinboro next week, Johnboy is hosting a dyno day. Should be fun beating up on the Fords.

Bob, we know you are a very rich man, investing in those Wheel Horse GEMS!!LOL

illflem,
Noone is trying to twist your arm and force you to use it. I have said MANY times before, I have never had an oil related breakdown in my LIFE. I just wanted better for this truck.
And I think Riley explained once again about the certification. How much more truth do you want?
The Amatuzio name is on every bottle, I think that means something.

Oh yea, does every one know what this means?: " #ad
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Gene
Good.

 

[TowPro]

I do run Amsoil (just switched) but I did search api.org and found one amsoil product that was certitied and it was approved to use both of api's symbols. something like XL7500 or something close.

Originally posted by Bob Riley:

P. S. Amsoil has three products that are API certified that between those three, cover ever OEM rating out there right now.

Bob

 

[Bob Riley]

JJP, lighten up a little.

Tow Pro, 5w-30 XL7500, 10w-30 XL7500, and SAE 15w-40 Synthetic blend diesel oil.

Bob



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[Piersol]

Bob, I didn't mean to offend you! I'm just pointing out that if the engine will far outlast the truck why spend the extra money? Once my truck is shot I'll keep the engine and put it in a boat. Maybe some sort of old coast guard launch. Good Luck and enjoy!
Jim

 

[Bob Riley]

Originally posted by illflem:
Why does Amsoil continue to not get API certified? Seems like the added sales to folks who don't trust a non-certified product would more than pay for certification. It makes me and many others wonder if there is something going on here that we're not hearing about.

I've had to explain this many times. Here is the simple truth to your question. The API does not do the testing to get the starburst. You must supply all the testing results. But you must also supply all the additives, not the misture rate or formula, but the ingredients. All these ingredients must be on a registered list that the API recognises. Amsoil uses several additives that they belive are superior. Some of these are European. None of these components can be ever be registered, so the finished product cannot be API certified. There are several companies who make specialized oil that fall into this catagory. Some have been named in this thread. They are not hiding anything or being cheap. On the contrary, it would be easier to use more readily available additives and at a less cost to get certified, but they choose not to go that route. If that means a few choose not to use the product, then oh well. They have grown at a rate of 25% for the last few years, so it's not effecting business as much as you might think.


P. S. Amsoil has three products that are API certified that between those three, cover ever OEM rating out there right now.


Hemi, I have lots of relatives up in the Oh/ Indiana area. But since you say "rich", can't be me #ad
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Bob


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[This message has been edited by Bob Riley (edited 03-17-2001). ]

 

[Bob Riley]

JJP, No prob. I just have a problem with Blackstones labs. It's too involved to answer why in one post. One small thing is they do analysis on standard drains on a few oils and base their "average" wear on the "average" of all their samples. So basically, what is normal wear? If most of their customers wear out an engine at 200k, and you are normal wear according to their "average", are you right on track for their normal wear out?
Like I said, BS does several things I don't like. They don't do TBN tests, which every other lab in the country say is the most important test to run on a diesel. That is the oil's ability to reduce acid buildup. You have no idea with BS if you have been building acid in you oil. For this reason alone, I do not reccomend them.
Bob

So, you didn't offend me, just hought you would have caught the smiles in my post. #ad

 

[Piersol]

Bob, I'll have to do a little research on TBN testing. That sounds interesting but my guess is that is more of a concern if you are trying to extend the oil change intervals. I change mine Q 5000 highway miles. Acid buildup is probably not much of a concern but I'll let you know after I hit the books.

 

[HC]

Cummins says use 15w-40, That is what I going to use!!! If you want me to utilize your product, then give me answers.

I think you have a valid point of view. I hope you're as happy with your 15W-40 as I am with my 5W-30; I'm completely OK with the fact that we have taken different paths. I guess I'll never be a top-ranked salesman. #ad


On Blackstone, I'm currently using them, but I think I see a trend - positive feedback. I think if your results fall in the "normal" range, Blackstone tries to throw in a comment that is very positively worded, that makes you feel good about your choices and what the analysis told you. It's a good marketing technique for their service; just be aware of it, look at the numbers, and take the words with a grain of salt.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"I just have a problem with Blackstones labs. It's too involved to answer why in one post. One small thing is they do analysis on standard drains on a few oils and base their "average" wear on the "average" of all their samples. So basically, what is normal wear?"

HUH? how else WOULD you specify "average readings", other than AVERAGING the readings your OWN facility has on record for engines such as yours? What am I missing here? What do YOU propose "average" should mean?


"If most of their customers wear out an engine at 200k, and you are normal wear according to their "average", are you right on track for their normal wear out?"


Seems reasonable to ME - after all, what ELSE would they base figures on instead of numbers from their OWN equipment, in their OWN facility - should they begin using figures of OTHER analysis labs instead of their own? Where do YOU suggest they obtain "average" numbers?

"Like I said, BS does several things I don't like. They don't do TBN tests, which every other lab in the country say is the most important test to run on a diesel. That is the oil's ability to reduce acid buildup. You have no idea with BS if you have been building acid in you oil. For this reason alone, I do not reccomend them.

NOW wait a minute, since BS labs provide a wide spread of particle percentages in tested oils, are YOU now saying that these percentages are relatively MEANINGLESS without TBN readings? Are you saying the TBN readings may be WAY out of accepted limits, and WEAR still be low? Which do you suggest is MORE important, low TBN readings, or low particle percentages as BS provides?

TBN readings may be a valuable additional tool in oil analysis, but if WEAR RATES are shown to be low in the absence of TBN ratings, how critical can TBN values be in that particular analysis?

Just trying to keep things in perspective here...

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