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Just thought every one should know that amsoil is a pyramid scheme.
Just thought every one should know that amsoil is a pyramid scheme.
NOPE!
Take notice to the number of responses vs. how many people have actually used it.
You'll notice quite a few "opinions" from people who have never even read the back of the label... yet alone use it. That was your question wasn't it??
Additionally, a lot of people mention AMSOIL's pyramid structure. I guess my question to those folks is... What kind of structure is your oil based on??
Gee, never really thought about that...
Guess they figure it magically appeared on the shelf from the off-shore refinery. .
Kinda like asking where milk comes from?
. . a grocery store?
Actually, I take that back... If it wasn't for the fact that our company supplies all of Mobil/Exxon Oil's fixed position barcode scanners... I also wouldn't know how many hands that oil passes through either.
The bottom line is that you either get it or you don't. The only way to know. . is to test your existing product against AMSOIL. Reading about it and listening to opinions yields nothing. Just makes great conversation on the TDR.
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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC 285-75-16's on Alcoa's. Everything but leather. PIAA 1200's, AMSOIL dual filter relocation system, Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs, Rhino Liner(Junk), K&N air filter(For Sale)15 year AMSOIL dealer. Time permitting, Soon to include Ultra-lite Pyro,0-50lbs boost, Trans temp in the pillar. Rancho 9000's with in cab adjustment.
Take notice to the number of responses vs. how many people have actually used it.
You'll notice quite a few "opinions" from people who have never even read the back of the label... yet alone use it. That was your question wasn't it??
Additionally, a lot of people mention AMSOIL's pyramid structure. I guess my question to those folks is... What kind of structure is your oil based on??
Gee, never really thought about that...
Guess they figure it magically appeared on the shelf from the off-shore refinery. .
Kinda like asking where milk comes from?
. . a grocery store?
Actually, I take that back... If it wasn't for the fact that our company supplies all of Mobil/Exxon Oil's fixed position barcode scanners... I also wouldn't know how many hands that oil passes through either.
The bottom line is that you either get it or you don't. The only way to know. . is to test your existing product against AMSOIL. Reading about it and listening to opinions yields nothing. Just makes great conversation on the TDR.
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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC 285-75-16's on Alcoa's. Everything but leather. PIAA 1200's, AMSOIL dual filter relocation system, Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs, Rhino Liner(Junk), K&N air filter(For Sale)15 year AMSOIL dealer. Time permitting, Soon to include Ultra-lite Pyro,0-50lbs boost, Trans temp in the pillar. Rancho 9000's with in cab adjustment.
I just thought everyone should know the previous statement is 100% INCORRECT.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, some opinions just happen to be wrong.
There is big difference between an illegal "pyramid scheme" and a network marketing system.
If you want to make money with Amsoil, you have to sell product. Pretty simple and honest, isn't it?
If a Mobil salesman signs up 100 auto parts stores, he gets payed for what they sell. And his district manager gets paid for what ALL his salesman sell. And the zone manager gets paid for what all his districts sell. And so on, right up to to the Mobil CEO.
Same with Amsoil.
For some reason, it is ok for Mobil to make money and pay huge bonuses to corporate big wheels, but if I get a $100 bonus because my customers use and my Dealers sell a lot of oil, it is a "scheme"
These myths are getting old, and double standards suck.
Also I don't want to hear about "many" people. If you don't have details, it must be hearsay.
Amsoil has a flawless record dated back to 1972.
For those of you that need educated about "pyramid schemes" I will be posting later about them.
Gene
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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
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[This message has been edited by MGM (edited 03-13-2001). ]
Are we not still Capitalists?
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01 2500HD Q. C. 4X4,241HD,SLT+, SB,3. 54,5spd,jacobs e-brake,tow pack,camper pack,all black,all leather,fully loaded,htd power mirrors,htd seats,full rhino lining bed and rocker panels,265/85r16 BFG ATs ko,nerf bars,everthing black,4'' Jardine,Westach boost & EGT gauge,License plate-1 CUMN,
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01 2500HD Q. C. 4X4,241HD,SLT+, SB,3. 54,5spd,jacobs e-brake,tow pack,camper pack,all black,all leather,fully loaded,htd power mirrors,htd seats,full rhino lining bed and rocker panels,265/85r16 BFG ATs ko,nerf bars,everthing black,4'' Jardine,Westach boost & EGT gauge,License plate-1 CUMN,
I thought this,
"Amsoil has a flawless record dating back to 1972" answered your question.
No, I have had no problems, nor have my customers or friends.
Like I said, you will always hear the myths, but no proof will ever be found. Uneducated people will always try to blame a small company for their mistakes. But they would never DREAM about going after the big companys.
It will always be somebodys brothers uncle sister-in-law heard something somewhere.
Call Federal-Mogul. Ask them if they have any problems with Amsoil.
Gene
"Amsoil has a flawless record dating back to 1972" answered your question.
No, I have had no problems, nor have my customers or friends.
Like I said, you will always hear the myths, but no proof will ever be found. Uneducated people will always try to blame a small company for their mistakes. But they would never DREAM about going after the big companys.
It will always be somebodys brothers uncle sister-in-law heard something somewhere.
Call Federal-Mogul. Ask them if they have any problems with Amsoil.
Gene
Never had mechanical trouble with Amsoil, but my 7. 3 diesel developed serious leaks after using it, and they did not go away after stopping either. This engine was a re-man, and had no leaks before Amsoil. IMHO, if this is allowed here 
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, Amsoil could prove it's worth to me in a fleet situation where equipment will be run to it's rebuild limit, most of us do not plan that with our trucks. Also diesels naturally have blow-by, which contaminates the oil reducing it's lubricating capacity. 15/40 Coastal Fleet @ 2500mi in my trucks for piece of mind, and I'm not an a$$hole about synthetics do what works for you and your situation; you'll have to try it to see
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1992 W-350 Club Cab Dually 3. 5" straight pipe(thanks jardine!)
W-350 8' contractors dump with 3. 5"BD exhaust, 16cm^2 housing, DI pyro&boost
Russell
[This message has been edited by R. E. Miller (edited 03-13-2001). ]
#ad, Amsoil could prove it's worth to me in a fleet situation where equipment will be run to it's rebuild limit, most of us do not plan that with our trucks. Also diesels naturally have blow-by, which contaminates the oil reducing it's lubricating capacity. 15/40 Coastal Fleet @ 2500mi in my trucks for piece of mind, and I'm not an a$$hole about synthetics do what works for you and your situation; you'll have to try it to see
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1992 W-350 Club Cab Dually 3. 5" straight pipe(thanks jardine!)
W-350 8' contractors dump with 3. 5"BD exhaust, 16cm^2 housing, DI pyro&boost
Russell
[This message has been edited by R. E. Miller (edited 03-13-2001). ]
Crap, I can't remeber anything, you might try to get a hold of Mopar Muscle on here, he was talking of synthetic oil usage at his work with mixed results.
Leaks are not "caused" by Amsoil, nor any other synthetic lubricant. ALL synthetic lubricants claim to fame is "slipperyness"; the ability to reduce friction. That means that an engine will run with less internal friction loss if lubed by synthetics. That also means that seals which are worn or hardened from extended use with petroleum are going to pass some amount of synthetic. The beauty of these synthetics, is their ability to keep seals softer, extending their life, if they are introduced to the usage for which they are intended as soon as possible. In engine lube, because of the superior friction qualities, synthetics are recomended AFTER the engine has seated it's rings.
PS: synthetics don't come from OPEC.
Ron (slipping and sliding with Amsoil)
PS: synthetics don't come from OPEC.
Ron (slipping and sliding with Amsoil)
The bit about leaks cropping up after switching to synthetic is probably true in many cases - it was when I switched over to Mobil1 in my restored '70 Caddy. Started getting lots more oil spots on the garage floor than before, but continued with the Mobil1, and after a couple of months the spots were back at their original negligible volume - no real problem once the various gaskets "adjusted" to the synthetic.
I personally have NO doubt that the Amsoil is as good as, or better than, other synthetics, it's really more a matter of whether a buyer is satisfied that the expected benefits outweigh the greater cost. So far, for *my* part, I'd rather just use a good grade of standard oil in my truck and change it more often - YMMV...
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For my '98 Camaro SS and '70 Caddy, they sit for long periods between uses, and do not get very many miles vs time, so I use the synthetic for its greater anti-oxidation characteristics.
I've never heard of ANY oil related problems caused by use of synthetics instead of standard dino based stuff.
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http://community. webshots.com/user/davison71 Early '91 250, 727 AT, 307 rear... Banks Stinger exhaust, intercooler... US Gear OD... MORE than a match for every new PS Ford encountered so far...
I personally have NO doubt that the Amsoil is as good as, or better than, other synthetics, it's really more a matter of whether a buyer is satisfied that the expected benefits outweigh the greater cost. So far, for *my* part, I'd rather just use a good grade of standard oil in my truck and change it more often - YMMV...
#adFor my '98 Camaro SS and '70 Caddy, they sit for long periods between uses, and do not get very many miles vs time, so I use the synthetic for its greater anti-oxidation characteristics.
I've never heard of ANY oil related problems caused by use of synthetics instead of standard dino based stuff.
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http://community. webshots.com/user/davison71 Early '91 250, 727 AT, 307 rear... Banks Stinger exhaust, intercooler... US Gear OD... MORE than a match for every new PS Ford encountered so far...
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Darn right we are Capitalists!
A couple comments about the above discussion that seems to have wandered abit off track. (But nobody has posted with problems except for R. E. Miller and now me. )
Let me preface this with the following: I am an Amsoil dealer.
As for the method used to distribute:
I also sell parts and accessories for Motorcycles, ATVs and Snowmobiles. With our suppliers (wholesalers), you must be a "real" dealer, have a storefront and a Federal tax number. The items we buy to sell are (usually) purchased from the manufacturers and then sold to us by the wholesaler. Amsoil, on the other hand, has different levels of pricing available to different people depending on their purchase volume. I recently had a customer call me and ask me why we were charging so much for oil. (We sell for less than retail. ) He told me he called the guy in the yellow pages and was quoted almost $1 LESS THAN MY COST. All he had to do was pay $10 to be a "prefered customer".
So, no, I don't like the system. I do like and use their products and we do manage to sell some here and there. I will continue to do so because it's their ball and if I don't like it I can leave, right? I'm not whining, just sharing an experience that left a bitter tast in my mouth.
As for problems:
Yes, when I switched my '94 over at 148,000 miles, it started to leak. Yes it is most likely due to the oil. It didn't leak before and started almost immediately. I haven't tried tightening bolts (which might fix it) although it could also be the front seal. Synthetics CAN cause leakage in high milage engines. The seals are continuously bathed in a fairly constant mix of (mineral oil) chemicals. Now they are bathed in a different (synthetic) mix. Sometimes this can cause seal shrinkage of varying degrees. In a seal that is marginal (remember, high milage?) it can start to leak. The rear seal doesn't leak.
Would I do it to a newer vehicle? In a heartbeat! Cold weather starts have improved unbelieveably. Milage? Good question. Cam plate and bigger tires were added, didn't check carefully. I "leak" about 1 quart in 3,000 miles. I can live with that.
Sorry so long, though I'd give you the low down.
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'94 3500 4x4, 209,000 miles, Never had a cat, Auto w/shift kit (thanks Dave G), 3. 54 Gears, TST #5 plate, 235-85-16s, Rancho 9000s w/remote, Isspro Gauges & Amsoil Air, Oil & Bypass Filters & Lubes, AWOL intake boot.
Punchlist: X-Mount Mirrors, 14 cm Turbo Housing & 215 Injectors.
NRA member.
Blue Ribbon Coalition member.
"Warrantee? We don't need no stinking warrantee!"
A couple comments about the above discussion that seems to have wandered abit off track. (But nobody has posted with problems except for R. E. Miller and now me. )
Let me preface this with the following: I am an Amsoil dealer.
As for the method used to distribute:
I also sell parts and accessories for Motorcycles, ATVs and Snowmobiles. With our suppliers (wholesalers), you must be a "real" dealer, have a storefront and a Federal tax number. The items we buy to sell are (usually) purchased from the manufacturers and then sold to us by the wholesaler. Amsoil, on the other hand, has different levels of pricing available to different people depending on their purchase volume. I recently had a customer call me and ask me why we were charging so much for oil. (We sell for less than retail. ) He told me he called the guy in the yellow pages and was quoted almost $1 LESS THAN MY COST. All he had to do was pay $10 to be a "prefered customer".
So, no, I don't like the system. I do like and use their products and we do manage to sell some here and there. I will continue to do so because it's their ball and if I don't like it I can leave, right? I'm not whining, just sharing an experience that left a bitter tast in my mouth.
As for problems:
Yes, when I switched my '94 over at 148,000 miles, it started to leak. Yes it is most likely due to the oil. It didn't leak before and started almost immediately. I haven't tried tightening bolts (which might fix it) although it could also be the front seal. Synthetics CAN cause leakage in high milage engines. The seals are continuously bathed in a fairly constant mix of (mineral oil) chemicals. Now they are bathed in a different (synthetic) mix. Sometimes this can cause seal shrinkage of varying degrees. In a seal that is marginal (remember, high milage?) it can start to leak. The rear seal doesn't leak.
Would I do it to a newer vehicle? In a heartbeat! Cold weather starts have improved unbelieveably. Milage? Good question. Cam plate and bigger tires were added, didn't check carefully. I "leak" about 1 quart in 3,000 miles. I can live with that.
Sorry so long, though I'd give you the low down.
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'94 3500 4x4, 209,000 miles, Never had a cat, Auto w/shift kit (thanks Dave G), 3. 54 Gears, TST #5 plate, 235-85-16s, Rancho 9000s w/remote, Isspro Gauges & Amsoil Air, Oil & Bypass Filters & Lubes, AWOL intake boot.
Punchlist: X-Mount Mirrors, 14 cm Turbo Housing & 215 Injectors.
NRA member.
Blue Ribbon Coalition member.
"Warrantee? We don't need no stinking warrantee!"
I've always wondered WHY Amsoil does not get their oils API certified like like the rest of the major manufacturers?????????
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1997 2500 Ext Cab 4X4,5 spd,3. 54's,Pac brake,Rancho 9000's,Centerforce clutch,K&N airfilter, Isspro gauges,TST #11 plate (280hp/680tq),AFC medium spring, Jardine 4" exhaust, 370 Diamond B marine injectors and 16cm turbine housing.
[This message has been edited by R. ebel (edited 03-13-2001). ]
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1997 2500 Ext Cab 4X4,5 spd,3. 54's,Pac brake,Rancho 9000's,Centerforce clutch,K&N airfilter, Isspro gauges,TST #11 plate (280hp/680tq),AFC medium spring, Jardine 4" exhaust, 370 Diamond B marine injectors and 16cm turbine housing.
[This message has been edited by R. ebel (edited 03-13-2001). ]
I found it interesting that when I said it was a pyramid scheme instantly the "dealers" came out of the wood work to defend the system. I really like the comparison to Mobil. Amway is also a large "successful" pyramid scheme that I would imagine has been around longer that 1972 but I still would not buy anything from them or participate in their system. Had I know that Amsoil was a pyramid scheme before I bought anything I would not had purchased it. I just feel that every one reading this needs to know the truth.
The difference between Exxon/Mobil’s distribution system and Amsoil's is, when I buy Mobil the guy doesn’t try to get me to sell it.
I personally have used Amsoil gear oil, engine oil and ATF. I found no difference in mileage, as claimed by Amsoil. I have had an oil leak since changing to Amsoil but I find it hard to believe that the oil is causing it. I also find some of their claims a hard to believe.
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, some opinions just happen to be wrong. " opinion are like a$$ holes everybody has them and some stink.
The difference between Exxon/Mobil’s distribution system and Amsoil's is, when I buy Mobil the guy doesn’t try to get me to sell it.
I personally have used Amsoil gear oil, engine oil and ATF. I found no difference in mileage, as claimed by Amsoil. I have had an oil leak since changing to Amsoil but I find it hard to believe that the oil is causing it. I also find some of their claims a hard to believe.
"Everyone is entitled to an opinion, some opinions just happen to be wrong. " opinion are like a$$ holes everybody has them and some stink.
Did you guys hear Ford owns Cummins?
LOL!!
Mr. Hayden,
Please, define "pyramid scheme" for us.
Gene
LOL!!
Mr. Hayden,
Please, define "pyramid scheme" for us.
Gene
Patrick,
Not all dealers do. (We don't) We don't sell anything other than 2 stroke oil and grease unless somebody asks.
The two stroke oil (Injector Oil) sells itself. 3 years ago Arctic Cat produced an exaust valved 440 race sled. The only oils that we found that didn't require constant valve cleaning were Klotz (we sell that too) and Amsoil. Amsoil is less expensive and has better delivery (closer & faster) so we it in our sleds. Almost all of our customers that try it switch to it.
As far as defending the system, I didn't think I did. It's not quite Amway either but I don't hang with that crowd.
I'm curious as to why the distribution system would affect the performance of the product in you vehicle. Maybe you "believe" it doesn't work as well? Maybe the dealer you purchased from rubbed you the wrong way? I've heard of that before.
One nice thing about science and physics is that they aren't subject to opinions.
Edit:
Hey Runaway, get your question answered yet?
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Are you going to make it to the dyno run?
[This message has been edited by Extreme1 (edited 03-13-2001). ]
Not all dealers do. (We don't) We don't sell anything other than 2 stroke oil and grease unless somebody asks.
The two stroke oil (Injector Oil) sells itself. 3 years ago Arctic Cat produced an exaust valved 440 race sled. The only oils that we found that didn't require constant valve cleaning were Klotz (we sell that too) and Amsoil. Amsoil is less expensive and has better delivery (closer & faster) so we it in our sleds. Almost all of our customers that try it switch to it.
As far as defending the system, I didn't think I did. It's not quite Amway either but I don't hang with that crowd.
I'm curious as to why the distribution system would affect the performance of the product in you vehicle. Maybe you "believe" it doesn't work as well? Maybe the dealer you purchased from rubbed you the wrong way? I've heard of that before.
One nice thing about science and physics is that they aren't subject to opinions.
Edit:
Hey Runaway, get your question answered yet?
#adAre you going to make it to the dyno run?
[This message has been edited by Extreme1 (edited 03-13-2001). ]
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