Amsoil threads

[PLaFrombois]

It's amazing that for such a small company and an underated oil, it gets more press in these forums than any other oil on the market. I for one use, sell, and promote Amsoil. I will not slam another companies product, or force someone to use Amsoil. It is completely a voluntary decision on my part and those others who use this oil.

If anyone can tell me who to contact at Wally World I can try and get it into the stores.

Paul

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Dunno about other retail sources - but Tognotti's in Sacramento used to sell Amsoil and their filters...

 

[eGarwood]

Certifacation

I'll try and keep this post as unpolitical as possible.

I use and sell Amsoil also, I don't push it on ANYONE, but when someone asks my opinion on what oil product is best I say Amsoil. NOT because I sell it, NOT to get the kickback check, NOT to lure them in to 'The Amsoil World'. I say Amsoil because I believe it is THE best lubricant out there right now. I took a chance and tried it. It has proven itself to me many times over. Furthermore, if you read the post I made to the gentleman asking the difference between gasoline grade oil, and diesel grade oil, the FIRST thing I alerted him to was the need for ANY oil he was thinking of buying to be API and SAE certified. I don't see how CAnderson has the knowledge to respond to a question about Amsoil, when, he does't use it , can't find it at the local Wallymart, and if he does't sell it,has probably naver had a bottle of it in his hands. Soooo, how the HELL does he know if it's certified..... 'well DUHHHH, someone told me..... ALRIGHTY THEN!!!! THAT is an intelligent,knowlegeable,responsible,informed answer? I think not. It boils down to this, if you don't know ... don't answer... moreover, if you don't know, and you really want to find out ... ask around... OR try it!!! test it for yourself, and then you too are entitled to your oppinion! YES AMSOIL IS API and SAE certified... at least that's what the compant prints on every single bottle. BUT they are just trying to sell it so what do they know?

Ed3

 

[illflem]

Originally posted by MGM









The exact same tactic is used by the Liberal Democrats and the media. Keep saying Bush is responsible for the recession and Enron, and enough people will start to believe it.





Gene

If you're a good Republican and support our president you should use Amsoil, to do otherwise is to support a liberal plot.

 

[HC]

If you're a good Republican and support our president you should use Amsoil, to do otherwise is to support a liberal plot.

Actually, liberal, enviro-whaco Democrats should also use Amsoil to save the world from, well, from EVERYTHING. This is what makes it such a unique product!

 

[fortunate1]

Just another as... ... , I mean "opinion" - everyone has one!!!

My RAM is used daily in business and most "buy/don't buy" decisions can be made by figuring out what the item in question will cost per mile. That way everything is brought down to a common denominator.

Fuel (price per gallon/miles per gallon - it varies by as much a 1 cent/mile sometimes); brakes, tires, etc. (cost to buy/expected miles before replacing); fluid changes (cost of oil & filter/change interval; insurance (annual policy premium/miles driven yearly). I own mine outright, so I don't figure in any payments. You get the idea. You'll find that FUEL will take up about 50% of the total "cents per mile" of operating and ownership costs. Getting a good buy on brakes, coolant, tires, insurance, and oil are all good, but will USUALLY only provide a small edge when the entire cost/mile is figured. The best value out there is the CUMMINS engine and the many, many miles that it will deliver top-notch performance!!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"fortunate1"sez:



"Getting a good buy on brakes, coolant, tires, insurance, and oil are all good, but will USUALLY only provide a small edge when the entire cost/mile is figured. The best value out there is the CUMMINS engine and the many, many miles that it will deliver top-notch performance!!"





WHICH, has been EXACTLY *my* point for some time!



To EACH reader in this thread, I pose this question:



ASSUMING we will obtain the approximately 400,000 miles the Cummins is good for, even on conventional dino oils,



1. How many miles per year will you put on your engine?

2. How long do you REALLY think you will keep your truck?

3. How many MORE miles do you think your engine will last with any of the available synthetics?



finally:



4. Do you REALLY think that with the actual MILES, and length of time YOU will keep your truck, you will obtain any significant benefit from the higher priced synthetics, than you would with a competing top brand dino oil?



CLUE:



At the usual average of 12,000 miles per year MOST of us put on our trucks, it will take *33. 3 years* to wear out the Cummins - what was the LAST vehicle YOU kept that long?



OR, do you just want the engine to last longer so the NEXT owner(s) get a "better deal"?



What shape do you figure the REST of the truck will be in after 33 years and 400,000 miles? Is there REALLY much point in the added expense of synthetics, when the engine will either outlive YOU, or the truck body - or BOTH?



Be honest now - most of this synthetics stuff, as it applies to the VAST majority of us, is BRAGGING rights and that warm and fuzzy feeling that "using the very best" gives us, and has little to do with PRACTICAL or real-life obtainable benefits!

 

[SlyBones]

Gary,



First off I would say that warm and fuzzy is a real-life practicle benefit. Just ask any shrink



To me, your questions assume that long term engine life is the only benefit to synthetics. And the fact the rest of the truck will never last that long. On this point I would agree.



Some will have us believe there are other benefits as well. Such as improved mileage, drain intervals, cold weather starts, etc. I believe that synthetics flashpoint is at higher temperature than dino oils. This should give our turbo's a added advantage if we dont always wait for those 300* shutdown temps. Assuming you can do some form of extened interval, then less time under my truck.



I personally believe in the cold weather starts, mileage, and shutdown temps. I cant tell the mileage in the CTD, but in the wifes car there is a difference. -- I also believe lower operating temps. Back in 1990 I have a dodge colt. Bought it new. Used dino for the first 7. 5K changing it at 2. 5K miles. During this time the temp gauge read exactly dead center in the middle of the gauge. Then I switched to Mobil 1. Started up and went out for the drive. The gauge read about 1 needle short of dead center. Same for the wifes VW Passat. Has a trip computer and gives oil temp in there as you scroll thru. Runs 5* lower with the synthetics.



After that 25 page oil war from hell, I have to agree that I would never run long extended intervals w/o a bypass filter. But if you can double the interval, then it does justify the costs. I drive about 20K per year. Now if I can go from doing changes at 3K intervals for dino to 6K intervals for synths, then the cost is about the same.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Now if I can go from doing changes at 3K intervals for dino to 6K intervals for synths, then the cost is about the same. "



I'm ALREADY going 5-7000 miles between changes with conventional dino oils - and with analysis numbers I'll compare with ANY of the synthetics crowd...



Which bribgs up another point - it's automatically assumed by many here that you can only do the extended drain interval with synthetics - yet I have lab documentation that shows conventional dino oils will give excellent extended use out to 32,000 miles or so - at which point the synthetics begin to show an advantage...



You don't HAVE to use *synthetics* to employ extended drain intervals for what many of us would consider reasonable mileages...

 

[Turbo Thom]

This is to Gary also:



1. I have 230 miles on the clock so that is right at 38K miles each year.



2. I plan on keeping this till it quits. I see 500-600K.



3. I don't change oil but every 50K with the by-pass set-up. Thats because I want to.



4. I tow two rigs at 12K and 14K .



What is my savings? I haven't figured it out. The oil analysis says it's in the engine. Peace of mind? You bet. Loads! How will the rest of the truck look? If some nitwit don't run into me, should look OK. The black is starting to fade a tad but no dents. I will say though, I am picky with the truck. I'm the same with the 300 Mag. I shoot. Gotta take care of it.



The way I see it, if my wife wants the best fit for her clothes, she will go to Parisians . If she just wants to cover herself for working in the yard, go to Wallys World. A lot cheaper and she still ain't naked. I guess the thing is the fit. It dosen't fit you so don't put it on. But to someone else Wallys World is the best they can do. Still I won't refuse to be with them. To each his on. What's wrong with that? I have yet heard anybody take a shot at Red Line or Royal Purple. Good stuff but I don't use those.



With the way manufacturers are going, all oil for the new vehicles will be Synthetic. Thats just the best.



Good luck with your choice.



. . Preston. .

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Preston - PLEASE notice my careful reference to "MOST of us" in my comments above...



I don't deny that the use of synthetics becomes FAR more practical to commercial/hi-mileage drivers... But that description HARDLY fits "MOST of us"...



NOR does your personal usage represent what MOST of us are duplicating...

 

[SlyBones]

Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q

"Now if I can go from doing changes at 3K intervals for dino to 6K intervals for synths, then the cost is about the same. "



I'm ALREADY going 5-7000 miles between changes with conventional dino oils - and with analysis numbers I'll compare with ANY of the synthetics crowd...



Which bribgs up another point - it's automatically assumed by many here that you can only do the extended drain interval with synthetics - yet I have lab documentation that shows conventional dino oils will give excellent extended use out to 32,000 miles or so - at which point the synthetics begin to show an advantage...



You don't HAVE to use *synthetics* to employ extended drain intervals for what many of us would consider reasonable mileages...

I was not trying to implying you cannot do extended intervals with dino or any of that. Or that people should or should not use extended intervals. I only meant to say that I believe a break even point for the increased costs of synthetics occurs somewhere around the point when you can get twice the drain interval out of it. I would agree that this may vary based on indivudial setups.



There are other benefits besides prolonging engine life, assuming thats even true. And there is a cost benefit *IF* you can run it longer. -- Its up to each individual to decide if the costs versus the benefits are worth it.



Just for fun, I called Jiffy Lube here near work. They said 33. 95 for the standard service and 22. 00 additional for the synthetic service. So for the masses of population out in the real-world that drive their cars to Jiffy Lube every 3K, if they used the synthetic service instead and went every 6K instead, they would save 12 bucks. -- of course I wouldnt start that program until my warranty ran out.

 

[Jar Head]

eGarwood said: "It has proven itself to me many times over... "



This is my concern with amsoil; honestly, how many oil related failures has anyone had? I bet none! The only time you will have an oil related failure is if YOU either: 1) run it dry, or 2) ran the oil while vandalized or contaminated.

Any of us can run any automotive oil of any weight and the engine will run for 400,000 miles.

 

[illflem]

This is an old post of mine that I thought had good info.



Are synthetics superior?



From the book Synthetic Lubricants and High Performance Functional Fluids



The performance benefits demonstrated by the various tests that have been described are meaningful to the automotive engineer or tribologist, but the average consumer is most interested in how much savings the use of a synthetic product is going to generate.



This case describes the results of one study that considered both the increased fuel economy and the extended oil drain interval made possible with part- and full-synthetic PAO crankcase oils. The original calculations have been updated to reflect current prices for gasoline and oil in North America. The calculations are based on 15,000 miles of driving and a “do-it-yourself” oil change regimen. A pump price of $1. 20/gal for gasoline has been chosen, and the oil has been priced at $1, $2, and $4/qt for the mineral oil, the part-synthetic, and the full-synthetic, respectively. If the oil is changed every 5,000 miles, there is almost no cost differential for the three oils because of the improved fuel economy gained with the synthetics. For the 15,000 mile distance, the savings over the mineral oil formulation is $3 with the part-synthetic oil, and a deficit of $3 is experienced with the full synthetic. If, however, there is only one drain for the full synthetic, the savings goes up to $11. In Europe, where gasoline is much more expensive and the differential in oil prices is less, the savings accrued by the use of synthetic crankcase oils will be much greater.



The use of lighter grades of crankcase oil is one answer to the need for increased fuel economy. The possible downside to this strategy would be a concurrent increase in oil consumption and the loss of sufficient high temperature viscosity for adequate engine protection. Studies show, however, that properly formulated PAO-based synthetic crankcase oils, with wide multigrade SAE performance classifications, can outperform mineral oil based formulations in both fuel and oil consumption, while maintaining superior engine protection.

 

[SS]

Re: Certifacation

Originally posted by eGarwood

AMSOIL IS API and SAE certified... at least that's what the compant prints on every single bottle. BUT they are just trying to sell it so what do they know?

Ed3

NOTE: I believe that this is a legitimate question - so flame away if you must, but at least answer it. I do not use Amsoil because I can not justify the cost with the lower miles that I drive, but I do have close friends that use it and swear by it. Besides, I like checking under the truck once in a while and oil changes give me the excuse.



My understanding from the BRUTAL 25 pager is that the Amsoil synthetic diesel engine oils are NOT API certified. They may say on the bottle (no I don't have one in front of me) that they meet API specifications, but that does not mean that they are certified. I believe that there is a difference. I also understand that some of their other products ARE API certified. So which is it? (Sorry in advance - I can see that there is probably no end to this. )

 

[eGarwood]

BRUTAL

If you don't mind me asking... WHAT is a BRUTAL 25 Pager

 

[SS]

Sorry - I thought it was legendary

I was referring to the Amsoil thread from several weeks ago that was starting to take over the website (kind of like the old "Blob" movies. ) There may have been 1 or 2 posts that were rather "enthusiastic".

 

[Sled Puller]

eGarwood,



Somebody got bent about leaks after he supposedly switched to Amsoil, and went on a rampage posting anything negative he could find about the company.

One topic he chose was API Cert. The Amsoil product he used was NOT API Certified, (even though it met or exceeded the specs), I guess he felt his leaks started because it did not have the stamp of mediocrity, I don't know!



Anyway, it turned into a 25 page free for all, and at the end, we still did not have a fare, full ,and accurate count of the votes.



Facts were distorted by emotion on both sides, statements were taken out of context, and so on.

Do a search, it will come up. .

 

[danandamy]

:-{}



Ummmmm..... concerning this thread, in case anyone didn't notice... ... .....



IT'S A JOKE ALREADY



Even so, it's managed to degenerate into the usual back and forth about Amsoil, see guys, this was my point in the begining. Do Amsoil threads go alot of pages and get alot of views? Yes, only thing is, it's the SAME half a dozen of ya'll going back and forth and on and on and on about it. I mean, damn ya'll could ruin sex with talking about Amsoil. I don't mean just the Pro Amsoil guys either, you die hard Anti Amsoil guys are just as bad LOL!!



So carry on, I've got to see if I can UNsubscribe to my own thread... .



APIcertifieddan

 

[TxDieselKid]

see what you get FREAK....

Dan,



You just can't leave well enough alone can you? Just like Don, and Gene. You are the ultra pot-stiring doll.



New poll, who thinks Dan is "THE" post stir-er of TDR"?



Andrew



Darn Texans