AMSOIL Trashes Royal Purple, What about Chevron Delo 400?

[Turbo Thom]

I think 'all have missed the point on this post. If you remember, a recent ad, states that if want the same towing capacity with a Dodge as a Ford, you better have two. It's the same thing. An ad is just that. The problem here is some folks just have a very strong distaste for Amsoil. So be it. If you really don't like the oil, heavens for Betsy, don't use it. But to try try to pick it apart with your analytical mind is going to make a nit wit out of yourself.



There are some things I don't like about Amsoil, but they still have the best out there.



. . Preston. .

 

[Hammer]

Seems like the Amsoil, Redline, Delo, Royal Purple bulbs survived winter and came back, wonder if the Rotella bulbs are coming in late this year?

Yes...

Spring is in the air when a good old fashioned oil war has started. Its good for the moderators as it keeps their minds fresh and their blood pressure high.



Blah,Blah,Blah. . Amsoil did this,Amsoil said that... Blah,Blah,Blah. . My Delo is better than yours. . Blah,Blah,Blah... Rotella Rules... Blah,Blah,Blah... WHAT,YOU use snake oil?



Give us a break. .

These oil wars start each year and that report has been surfing around the internet for a few years. If you don't like their product or any other of the synthetic brands use whatever your little heart desires. It amazes me when these threads show up that they end up in complaining about costs and marketing of Amsoil and get completely off topic. The bottom line is this,if you don't like it,don't buy it as no one is forcing you to. Its your truck,its your wallet and no matter what decision you make stand by it... . Andy

 

[Jetpilot]

I love synthetics but they cost too much. Oh, and Amsoils marketing practices really suck. Anybody seen my cat???? Hi Andy :-laf

 

[john3976]

Gee Hammer, I stumbled upon this now discredited Amsoil report, that it seems their own dealers still use even through it seems Amsoil has distanced itself from the report.



When I read that Molly, which Chevron Delo uses and I guess Royal Purple uses was said to be a bad thing and Cummins had policies against the use of any molly product in their engines due to it causing valve failure, well if you can't understand why someone would get a little worried then I don't know what to tell you.



In my opinion Amsoil should revoke any of their dealers licenses or contracts to sell Amsoil if they get caught using this bogus report.



I am going to continue using the Chevron Delo 400 up to 15,000 miles for my break in, at which time I will be switching over to Royal Purple and I will continue to use Fleet Guard Filters.



Sorry if you don't like threads about oils, but you do have a good option, it is called don't open them, just move on to the next thread, there are many threads that I never even open as they don't interest me, but I don't open the thread and start complaining that they should be shut down because I am tired of threads that talk about, oh lets say Smoke, I just move on to the next thread that I want to read and others who enjoy talking about smoke can have that thread, that is after all what these boards are about.



Or I could be wrong, maybe new threads should never be started and maybe the moderators should just wade through them all and make what they feel is valid a sticky and lock all topics from this day forward, that way all content can be controlled and those who have questions can just read with no posting allowed, or when a piece is found on the Internet that raises questions about something we can just ignore it as all threads are already completely discussed and no new information will ever again be relevant.



Point is if this thread does not interest you why in the world are you in it? Just move on.



Fair enough for you?



Now I hope we can all be friends and a little oil talk is just that, oil talk!

 

[Turbo Thom]

John... ... ... After what you just said, my feeling have been hurt and the sensitivity level is causing my blood presure to increase. I guess I'd better to do just as you say.



. . Bye Now. .



. . Preston. .

 

[john3976]

John... ... ... After what you just said, my feeling have been hurt and the sensitivity level is causing my blood presure to increase. I guess I'd better to do just as you say.



. . Bye Now. .



. . Preston. .

now now Preston, don't let a little chatter get your blood boiling, LOL, I do hope you were using sarcasm.

 

[john3976]

I emailed royal purple about this report and statement because I am running their oil. Here is their response!!



Brad



**********************************************************

Brad,



This is an old false thread from 4-5 years ago. It is NOT authorized by Amsoil Corporate but is still distributed by the so called 'lubrication experts' that they call 'dealers for Amsoil.



Do me a favor, contact Amsoil Corporate and I would be interested if they support this as it is totally false.



RP 15W40 is an API Licensed oil and is great in your Dodge Cummins. I should know as I have been using it in my two Cummins powered Dodges since 1992 with over 300,000 personal miles of experience. Attached is a picture of my 96 Dodge 3500 XLT at 115,000 having run 12,000 mile oil change intervals. I was installing a bypass oil filter (OilGuard) and had removed the No#1 valve cover to install the return.



Attached is the photo of my truck (which now has 174K and is 9 1/2 years old running strong on RP 15W40 getting right at 20 mpg average) and a link to our API License.

http://eolcs.api.org/DisplayLicenseInfo.asp?LicenseNo=0777

Cheers,



David



David Canitz

Tech Services Manager

Royal Purple Ltd

1 Royal Purple Lane

Porter, TX 77365

281-354-8600 x202

281-354-7335 fax

713-725-7207 cell

-- email address removed --

I have sent Amsoil an email with a copy of the Amsoil report in question, I am waiting to see what Amsoil has to say so we can get to the bottom of this once and for all.

 

[john3976]

Gary,

That's the point. The non-specified particles in various sizes. What are they? If the oil is *NEW*, how can there be particles of ANYTHING?



Wayne

amsoilman

Wayne I would think that you as a Amsoil dealer would want the truth out about this report, is it in fact a bogus report as the reply from Royal Purple states?



You seem more interested in arguing about if the Amsoil is new or not and have not addressed anything about the so called Amsoil report.



I would like to know is this report really from the Amsoil Tech Department as stated in it at the end or is it in fact a bogus report.



Now is your time to shine my friend and earn some respect as an Amsoil dealer on this matter.



Again this matter really concerns me as I have Chevron Delo 400 in my Cummins engine and it dose contain molly and there are many more people out there that are using Delo and from what I understand Pennzoil also used molly in the long life Diesel oil so there are a lot of folks that use oils with molly. I am really interested in if this is a real Amsoil report or not.



After all the Amsoil report states clearly that Cummins says the use of molly is a big no no.



Please help clear this up.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gary,

That's the point. The non-specified particles in various sizes. What are they? If the oil is *NEW*, how can there be particles of ANYTHING?



Wayne

amsoilman

Wayne, you must SURELY know that even "NEW" oil contains impurities and contaminents in varying amounts - that fact is CLEARLY displayed in a number of "new" oil analysis done on the same website my pointers indicate - and Amsoil is no exception, with clear evidence of Iron, Aluminum and Silicon content right outta the bottle!



The lead premise in this thread revolves around the stated claim by Amsoil that competing oils containing Molybdenum, presented particles that could settle out of the oil into the bottom of the pan and various low points in an engine - those "particles" would presumably be revealed in an oil analysis that included particle counts, like those I supplied.



But as is clearlty evident in those Delo and Amsoil samples, the particle counts are nearly identical - so where ARE those particles in the Delo with Moly Amsoil criticised, and WHY does the Amsoil contain SIMILAR particle counts? Will the particales displayed in Amsoil ALSO "settle out", or "clog oil filters? Why would Amsoil's particles behave any differently than those in competing oils?



What ARE the particles in NEW Amsoil? possibly the indicated Iron, Aluminum and Silicon content, as that same oil analysis ALSO indicated - but it would be far better to ask AMSOIL what they might be, than those on this board.



And I would AGAIN make it clear, *I* have NOTHING against Amsoil - and if it was available at the same price as the Delo I *do* use, I'd buy it in a heartbeat - "particles" and all!

 

[JPope]

John3976, since you have been here since Jan 2005, you should go back through the archives, maybe back to 2000 or so (even earlier?) and read the oil threads that are there and see why some of us think that another oil thread is humorous, well to almost everybody :-laf Lots of oil information out there, but somehow it always seems to end up the way this one may go



If you really want to get into some interesting discussions :-{} check out the automatic transmission threads from the same time frame. People were banned, quit, etc.



Certain subjects keep the moderators occupied

 

[RustyJC]

If you really want to get into some interesting discussions :-{} check out the automatic transmission threads from the same time frame. People were banned, quit, etc.



Certain subjects keep the moderators occupied

Or the K&N air filter threads. Or the automatic versus manual transmission threads. Or..... :-laf



Rusty

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

ACTUALLY, I sorta enjoy oil related threads - as long as we keep it clean and informative, and personalities at a minimum. The info I pointed to above concerning specific particle sizes and trace contaminent levels in new, out-of-the-bottle samples was certainly new to me until a short time ago. New developments arise in fuels, lubricants, and associated subjects that are well worth keeping informed on as newer technologies and formulations are introduced.



Shucks, even Wayne seems unaware of contaminents and random particles in new oils, even synthetics - and I personally consider him one of this boards most informed members where oil is concerned - so sometimes reopening an old subject can be a GOOD thing!

 

[Hohn]

Me, too. Most are quite informative once you see past the bickering.



Gary, I like having you on these boards as you always help to keep us thinking outside the proverbial box.



I've learned more about engines and oil from TDR and DTR than I ever could have imagined. You should see how it goes when I talk to a salesman at the DC dealer



jlh

 

[Turbo Thom]

John, you are right . But I thought I wasn't responsible for my actions. Yu mean I am? At my age you probably couldn't get my blood pressure up over this stuff. This type of post is just so much bantering to me. Just keep the sex and naughty language out, and I like it. :{ It is informative. Have at it.



. . Preston. .

 

[john3976]

John, you are right . But I thought I wasn't responsible for my actions. Yu mean I am? At my age you probably couldn't get my blood pressure up over this stuff. This type of post is just so much bantering to me. Just keep the sex and naughty language out, and I like it. :{ It is informative. Have at it.



. . Preston. .

I sent a copy of the Amsoil/Royal Purple piece to Amsoil asking them about it and I am waiting to see if they respond, if they don't then it pretty much will say all I need to know about Amsoil as a company.





This piece shows up on an Amsoil Dealers front page, the same person who's name is at the beginning of the piece. He proudly has it up front.



Here is the Amsoil dealers home page: http://www.performancemotoroil.com/Royal_Purple_info

 

[john3976]

Looks like Amsoil did in fact publish that piece as they do accept it as theirs, they do however seem to be backing off, Please read Amsoils responce:



-----Original Message-----

From: Wallace, Darryn

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 8:24 AM

To: Mail TechService

Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form



















Thank you for contacting AMSOIL with your concerns.







In response to your inquiry, some of this information is outdated and was published several years ago. Additive chemistry and technology has changed where issues such as molybdenum in the engine oil may not be a problem. Molybdenum is an extreme pressure additive, which may not provide any added benefit to the antiwear additive packages commonly used in an engine oil.







Thank you again for the opportunity to respond to your concerns. As always, please feel free to contact us again if we can be of further assistance.







Sincerely,







Darryn Wallace



Technical Service Department







Every attempt has been made to ensure that the information provided in this e-mail correspondence is accurate and reliable. However, AMSOIL, Inc. makes no warranty, guarantee, or promise (express or implied) concerning the accuracy of our e-mail response, as it is based solely on the information provided to us by the e-mail originator.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Molybdenum is an extreme pressure additive, which may not provide any added benefit to the antiwear"



UMMmmmm - do they mean "extreme pressure" as in rings-to-cylinder-wall force, or rod/main bearings - or how about in "4-ball" tests? :-laf :-laf



Seems to ME the "extreme pressure" exists in MOST areas of typical engine operation - and even MORE in diesels! :-laf

 

[john3976]

Something Amsoil seems to lack:





Schedule A - License Agreement





The Certification Marks referred to and licensed under the agreement between API and the licensee are as follows:

Licensee is authorized to display the API Service Symbol on the following products during the period of August 8, 2004 through August 8, 2005:

Energy Conserving may be displayed only on products noted with an asterisk (*). CI-4 PLUS may be displayed only on products noted with a double asterisk (**).



License No Company Name

0777 ROYAL PURPLE, LTD.





Brand Name SAE Viscosity Grade Service Category Current Expiration Date

ROYAL PURPLE 10W-30 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 10W-30 SL* August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 10W-40 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 15W-40 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4/SL August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 20W-50 CF,CF-4/SJ August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 30 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 40 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 50 CF,CF-2/SJ August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 5W-20 SL* August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE 5W-30 SL* August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE DD 40 CF-2 August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER 10W-30 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4 August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER 15W-40 CF-4,CG-4,CH-4,CI-4 August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER 40 CF,CF-2 August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER DD 40 CF-2 August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER PLUS 10W-30 CI-4/SL August 8, 2005

ROYAL PURPLE LONG RIDER PLUS 15W-40 CI-4/SL August 8, 2005





* Energy Conserving



** CI-4 PLUS

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

My eyes may be getting worse, but I didn't see...



** CI-4 PLUS



... on ANY of those RP lubes - Chevron Delo has had the "CI-4 Plus" rating ever since adding the Moly to their 400 series lubes...



Maybe other factors are involved in that PLUS rating?

 

[john3976]

Considering we don't have an EGR valve to worry about I am not sure we even need the CI-4 Plus oil.



But I don't mind them all making their oils better, I am going to run one more change of Chevron Delo 400 then I am switching over to the Royal Purple 15w-40.



Even going to go with Royal Purple in my wifes car (10w-30), I have always used Mobile 1 in her car, but it is time for a change, Mobil seems to be changing the formula of Mobil 1 every time I turn around these days.



I am impressed with what I have read about Royal Purple.