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Gary - K7GLD said:
"Molybdenum is an extreme pressure additive, which may not provide any added benefit to the antiwear"



UMMmmmm - do they mean "extreme pressure" as in rings-to-cylinder-wall force, or rod/main bearings - or how about in "4-ball" tests? :-laf :-laf



Seems to ME the "extreme pressure" exists in MOST areas of typical engine operation - and even MORE in diesels! :p :D :-laf
GAry,

Sorry I have not had the opertunity to get into this conversation before this, but I will at this point.



To answer your question regarding Molybdenum for an extreme pressure additive. Yes it is, but NOT as you suggested (rod/main bearings). IT is used in grease Lubes, where there is High loading on the bearings. It is also sometimes used in Gear lubes.



The other items for discussion I have e-mailed to you, as there are MANY items to go over here.



Wayne
 
My only question is where is it made?



The only reason I spent the money on Amsoil is the fact that it is made here in the good OL' USA. So they claim. Sounds trite but I hate sending any more money to the greedy oil companies. Especialy wiith all the money spent on fuel these days. I may do some digging to see where this RP stuff is made.



I am pretty happy with the switch from convensional oil to Amsoil through out my truck. The best part is the added fuel mileage. An extra half mile per gallon in town and close to 2 out on the highway.



Just a thought...
 
"Considering we don't have an EGR valve to worry about I am not sure we even need the CI-4 Plus oil. "



John, as *I* understand it, that "CI-4 Plus" rating is specifically FOR diesels - as to whether Ford or GM diesels use EGR valves, I don't have a clue - and of course, there are other vehicles that are diesel powered, so EGR-compatible oils are probably a good thing...



WAYNE:



"IT is used in grease Lubes, where there is High loading on the bearings. It is also sometimes used in Gear lubes. "



I'm hoping your intent in the above quote was NOT to indicate that use of Moly is best reserved for greases and gear lubes - because it has a pretty decent reputation and track record as used in ENGINE oils as well! ;)



The same is true of Boron, which it appears, Amsoil also uses in THEIR oil - who knows, Amsoil might at some future point decide to use Moly as well... :D



But I hafta sorta resist the notion that simply because Amsoil so far chooses to NOT use Moly, that it is "bad stuff" and unsuited for use in engine oils, and should be left in the grease gun...



Just as I long ago resisted the notion that toilet paper should best be left in the bathroom, and kept out of oil filters... ;) :p :-laf
 
A quote out of what Wayne sent me via PM:



"Several years ago ARCO produced a product called ARCO Graphite oil. This product cost ARCO several millions of dollars in law suits because of the problem of agglomeration which lead to plugging filters and fine oil passage ways. Moly is likely to have the same problem. The plugging problem is very real and that is most likely why Cummins doesn't like moly, if infact they DO NOT APPROVE! I do not know this!"



Wayne, please provide a pointer or quote from a reliable Cummins source where they have recently indicated they "don't like" Moly! It's clearly obvious as stated right on the Delo 400 (WITH Moly!) bottles that the Delo is "recommended" in lube specifications by Caterpillar, Cummins, John Deere, Volvo, and numerous other heavy diesel engine makers!



AND, if you reply to no OTHER question or statement I make here, DO please respond to THIS one:



Do Amsoils diesel lube bottles also make the same clear statement and recommendation relative to the specific engine manufacturers named above? ;)



And would Cummins be listed there, IF they "didn't like", or objected to use of Moly in oils used in their engines? After all, use of Moly in engine lubes is HARDLY new or untried - other major brands have been successfuly using it LONG before Chevron started - Delo was great before - now it is LOTS better! :D



Fact is, Delo 400 oils are used widely in 18-wheeler applications, and one of the MOST RELIABLE sources for Delo is at TRUCK STOPS! ;)



Engines like Caterpillar and cummins are pretty common in the 18-wheeler trucks - do ya think maybe THEY are using the wrong stuff too? :-laf



How many 18-wheelers do ya suppose are using Amsoil in their engines - you'd sorta think longer wear and better economy would rate pretty high in their lubricant decision making, what with extended drains and all. :p



As to the Arco use of graphite, there was another FAR more common problem with use of graphite in engine oils NOT related to plugging filters or settling out of the oil - and that was that as engines wore, the process of oil migration into the combustion chambers would quickly allow the graphite - an electrical conductor - to coat the sparkplug electrodes, and cause misfiring and stalled engines!



Simply because Arco made a mistake with graphite, certainly does NOT automatically call for the quantum leap that Chevron is making one with Moly - a fair number of OTHER top brands are quite successfully using it as well!



I'll say it again, Amsoil is GOOD stuff - but quite frankly, I see their apparent criticism and attempted demonization of the use of Moly by competitors as an act of self-defense against what they very well KNOW is an improvement in the anti-wear characteristics of their competition!



Further, As I pile the miles up on MY truck, using the Moly-containing Delo 400, we will clearly SEE exactly how badly the evil Moly compromizes and damages my engine. So far, only using the new Moly-containing Delo as makeup oil on TP filter changes for the last 8,000 miles or so, my Iron content has DROPPED from 20 ppm the previous analysis, to *3 ppm* on this last one. Aluminum dropped from 2 ppm to 1, and Copper dropped from 4 ppm to 1!



Yeah, PART of that is my "TP" bypass filter - but is it REMOTELY possible the better oil used as makeup oils on TP element changes MIGHT have been a factor as well? After all that SAME TP filter HAS been on there the whole time...



Other readings were the same right down the line - and I hardly need some distant analysis tech to tell me my CURRENT analysis WITH Moly, is BETTER than the previous one WITHOUT Moly - and this last analysis by Cat was with 20,000 miles on that Delo as part of my extended drain "test"!



Wayne, I greatly respect your knowledge, as well as your chosen product - all the above is offered in good spirit, and in the name of honest debate - I hope you see it that way! :D



I have repeatedly admitted that Amsoil is good stuff - probably as good a synthetic as you can buy - would it be too much of a stretch for Amsoil and it's distributors to grudgingly admit that oils like Delo are pretty good too? :D :D
 
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mr. wilson said:
My only question is where is it made?

The only reason I spent the money on Amsoil is the fact that it is made here in the good OL' USA. So they claim.
I can tell without a doubt, Amsoil is made in the USA! Superior, WI. to be exact. And unlike most oil Companies, all they make is synthetic lubes.



Wayne

amsoilman
 
amsoilman said:
I can tell without a doubt, Amsoil is made in the USA! Superior, WI. to be exact. And unlike most oil Companies, all they make is synthetic lubes.



Wayne

amsoilman



Now now wayne, I think you may want to retract that last statement.



https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/pco.aspx



Amsoil seems to make blend oils just like others do, that link goes right to the Amsoil page and it is for Amsoil's Synthetic/Blend Diesel oil 15w-40.



Even Amsoil is not 100% Synthetic, they have blended oils as well as synthetic oils.
 
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PRODUCT DESCRIPTION

AMSOIL Synthetic Blend 15W-40 Diesel Oil is a modern blend of high performance synthetic base stocks, natural base stocks, and advanced additives. It provides outstanding performance and protection over extended drain intervals in light and heavy-duty diesel engines.



Remains Stable at Temperature Extremes

AMSOIL Synthetic Blend 15W-40 does not change viscosity (thicken or thin) at temperature extremes like conventional motor oils. With its advanced semi-synthetic formulation, AMSOIL Synthetic Blend 15W-40 is significantly more shear stable than conventional oils, retaining its viscosity at temperatures and loads that break down conventional motor oils.
 
"semi-synthetic formulation, AMSOIL Synthetic Blend 15W-40"



HMMmmmm - that's the first reference *I* have seen as to Amsoil being a SEMI-synthetic!



Exactly how is that different, than something like Valvoline SEMI-synthetic? :confused: :confused:
 
Most of what Amsoil makes is 100% Synthetic, but even Amsoil does make and sell semi synthetic oil.



I don't like the fact that they don't get API certification on their product, to me that is very important for warranty purposes, I could see a major car maker voiding the warranty due to using an oil that has not passed the API certifications.



While not likely, it could happen as I think the owners manuals state to use an API certified oil, I could be wrong, but it sure does give you a piece of mind knowing that your oil has in fact passed the real API test and can place the API symbol on the bottle.
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
A quote out of what Wayne sent me via PM:



"Several years ago ARCO produced a product called ARCO Graphite oil. This product cost ARCO several millions of dollars in law suits because of the problem of agglomeration which lead to plugging filters and fine oil passage ways. Moly is likely to have the same problem. The plugging problem is very real and that is most likely why Cummins doesn't like moly, if infact they DO NOT APPROVE! I do not know this!"



Gary,

I think I answered this in the above paragraph.



Wayne, please provide a pointer or quote from a reliable Cummins source where they have recently indicated they "don't like" Moly! It's clearly obvious as stated right on the Delo 400 (WITH Moly!) bottles that the Delo is "recommended" in lube specifications by Caterpillar, Cummins, John Deere, Volvo, and numerous other heavy diesel engine makers!



AND, if you reply to no OTHER question or statement I make here, DO please respond to THIS one:



Do Amsoils diesel lube bottles also make the same clear statement and recommendation relative to the specific engine manufacturers named above? ;)



Yes as a matter of fact. Taken from the current bottle:

API CI-4+/CF/CF-2/SL. GLOBAL DHD-1. ACEA A3/B3,E3, E5 JASO DH-1. MACK. DETROIT DIESEL. CATARPILLAR. CUMMINS. VOLVO. DAIMLER-BENZ.



And would Cummins be listed there, IF they "didn't like", or objected to use of Moly in oils used in their engines? After all, use of Moly in engine lubes is HARDLY new or untried - other major brands have been successfuly using it LONG before Chevron started - Delo was great before - now it is LOTS better! :D



NEVER said Delo was bad... ... ... ... ... ever!



Fact is, Delo 400 oils are used widely in 18-wheeler applications, and one of the MOST RELIABLE sources for Delo is at TRUCK STOPS! ;)



Engines like Caterpillar and cummins are pretty common in the 18-wheeler trucks - do ya think maybe THEY are using the wrong stuff too? :-laf



No, everyone has a joice, just like you and I with our trucks of choice. We think the CTD is the best, yet ALL of the pickupo truck Diesels are will haul and pull very well... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..... Some BETTER than others!





How many 18-wheelers do ya suppose are using Amsoil in their engines - you'd sorta think longer wear and better economy would rate pretty high in their lubricant decision making, what with extended drains and all. :p



I know of several Companies that are using the Amsol lubes. The largest I know, has over 200 trucks.



As to the Arco use of graphite, there was another FAR more common problem with use of graphite in engine oils NOT related to plugging filters or settling out of the oil - and that was that as engines wore, the process of oil migration into the combustion chambers would quickly allow the graphite - an electrical conductor - to coat the sparkplug electrodes, and cause misfiring and stalled engines!



This is most likely a very true statement, as the grahpite could certainly coat electrodes.





Simply because Arco made a mistake with graphite, certainly does NOT automatically call for the quantum leap that Chevron is making one with Moly - a fair number of OTHER top brands are quite successfully using it as well!



I'll say it again, Amsoil is GOOD stuff - but quite frankly, I see their apparent criticism and attempted demonization of the use of Moly by competitors as an act of self-defense against what they very well KNOW is an improvement in the anti-wear characteristics of their competition!



Further, As I pile the miles up on MY truck, using the Moly-containing Delo 400, we will clearly SEE exactly how badly the evil Moly compromizes and damages my engine. So far, only using the new Moly-containing Delo as makeup oil on TP filter changes for the last 8,000 miles or so, my Iron content has DROPPED from 20 ppm the previous analysis, to *3 ppm* on this last one. Aluminum dropped from 2 ppm to 1, and Copper dropped from 4 ppm to 1!

And how much "makeup" oil was added after the filter changes? THis would certainly drop the readings. As I have mentioned to you before, Wear Metals identified by Spectrochemical analysis are expressed in Parts Per MIllion (PPM) of the environment they inhabit. The sizes of "wear mwtal" particles that can be identified by Spectrochemicla analysis are between 3 and 10 MICRONS and under normal conditions, the generation of wear metals is gradual and increases slowly as the engine is used.



I can not emphisize enough, NO TWO pieces of equipment wear at the same rate, even IDENTICAL pieces of equipment will exhibit variation in their rate of internal wear.



Yeah, PART of that is my "TP" bypass filter - but is it REMOTELY possible the better oil used as makeup oils on TP element changes MIGHT have been a factor as well? After all that SAME TP filter HAS been on there the whole time...



Other readings were the same right down the line - and I hardly need some distant analysis tech to tell me my CURRENT analysis WITH Moly, is BETTER than the previous one WITHOUT Moly - and this last analysis by Cat was with 20,000 miles on that Delo as part of my extended drain "test"!



Wayne, I greatly respect your knowledge, as well as your chosen product - all the above is offered in good spirit, and in the name of honest debate - I hope you see it that way! :D



I have repeatedly admitted that Amsoil is good stuff - probably as good a synthetic as you can buy - would it be too much of a stretch for Amsoil and it's distributors to grudgingly admit that oils like Delo are pretty good too? :D :D




As I said earlier, I have NEVER said DELO was bad stuff, I just think there is something better, just like my CTD over the Ford and the GM competition!



Wayne

amsoilman
 
john3976 said:
Now now wayne, I think you may want to retract that last statement.



https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/pco.aspx



Amsoil seems to make blend oils just like others do, that link goes right to the Amsoil page and it is for Amsoil's Synthetic/Blend Diesel oil 15w-40.



Even Amsoil is not 100% Synthetic, they have blended oils as well as synthetic oils.
This is only one of the two 15W-40 Heavy Duty Diesel oils, and is a blend of Synthetic and Petrolium and is the only "partial" synthetic made by Amsoil. The other Heavy Duty Diesel oil is the 5W-30 Series 3000, and it too is PAO based(GROUP IV) as is the Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine 15W-40 oil.



Wayne

amsoilman
 
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"And how much "makeup" oil was added after the filter changes? THis would certainly drop the readings. "



Exactly the SAME as all others, I change TP elements every 2000 miles or so, so in 8000 miles, 4 quarts of makeup oil. That's the same I would do with ANY oil, synthetic or otherwise, and that's exactly what I had done for 12,000 miles BEFORE the addition of Moly to the Delo - and my various wear metal readings were steadily CLIMBING during the first 12,000 "Moly-less" miles, and only started DROPPING after Delo started adding Moly to their oil! My final readings as posted further up above, are BETTER than brand new oil right out of the bottle, even after 20,000 miles of use!



And yes, regular TP cartridge changes HAVE required addition of about 10 quarts of oil in that 20,000 miles - but that is FAR better than the *36 quarts* I would have used with conventional changes - plus, the regular addition of required makeup oil has maintained my TBN and TAN at "as new" levels all thru this test.



SO, are extended drains in MY future as a regular thing? Only to a degree - I'll probably start changing oil annually, or at 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first - my conscience just won't allow me to leave it in there longer, regardless HOW great analysis tells me it is! I like the looks of my oil dipstick too much when it's all crystal clear thru the clean oil - and the knowledge that the inside of my engine looks the same way - at least until that nasty Moly screws everything up! :-laf :-laf :-laf
 
john3976 said:
Most of what Amsoil makes is 100% Synthetic, but even Amsoil does make and sell semi synthetic oil.



I don't like the fact that they don't get API certification on their product, to me that is very important for warranty purposes, I could see a major car maker voiding the warranty due to using an oil that has not passed the API certifications.



While not likely, it could happen as I think the owners manuals state to use an API certified oil, I could be wrong, but it sure does give you a piece of mind knowing that your oil has in fact passed the real API test and can place the API symbol on the bottle.

Well, I can only say one thing here. There has NEVER been a case where an Amsoil oil has caused a proven failure!... ... ... ... at least that is what was revealed at the 30th year anniversary held in Wissconsin 2003 when I was there. I would think after 33 years on the market, some vehicle manufacturer would have jumped on them if it were a REAL problem! ;)



Wayne

amsoilman
 
amsoilman said:
Well, I can only say one thing here. There has NEVER been a case where an Amsoil oil has caused a proven failure!... ... ... ... at least that is what was revealed at the 30th year anniversary held in Wissconsin 2003 when I was there. I would think after 33 years on the market, some vehicle manufacturer would have jumped on them if it were a REAL problem! ;)



Wayne

amsoilman





YUP - what Wayne said! ;) :D :D
 
Gary - K7GLD said:
"And how much "makeup" oil was added after the filter changes? THis would certainly drop the readings. "



Exactly the SAME as all others, I change TP elements every 2000 miles or so, so in 8000 miles, 4 quarts of makeup oil. That's the same I would do with ANY oil, synthetic or otherwise, and that's exactly what I had done for 12,000 miles BEFORE the addition of Moly to the Delo - and my various wear metal readings were steadily CLIMBING during the first 12,000 "Moly-less" miles, and only started DROPPING after Delo started adding Moly to their oil! My final readings as posted further up above, are BETTER than brand new oil right out of the bottle, even after 20,000 miles of use!



And yes, regular TP cartridge changes HAVE required addition of about 10 quarts of oil in that 20,000 miles - but that is FAR better than the *36 quarts* I would have used with conventional changes - plus, the regular addition of required makeup oil has maintained my TBN and TAN at "as new" levels all thru this test.



SO, are extended drains in MY future as a regular thing? Only to a degree - I'll probably start changing oil annually, or at 12,000 miles, whichever occurs first - my conscience just won't allow me to leave it in there longer, regardless HOW great analysis tells me it is! I like the looks of my oil dipstick too much when it's all crystal clear thru the clean oil - and the knowledge that the inside of my engine looks the same way - at least until that nasty Moly screws everything up! :-laf :-laf :-laf
Well Gary,

In my situation, I now have 36,000 on my oil, and have changed filters two times and added 3 1/2 quarts of oil, all due to "high copper" coming from the oil cooler, so we are both in unison extending our oil drin intervals. :D



Did you make that call to the "CAT" guy in North Dakota?



Wayne

amsoilman
 
amsoilman said:
Well Gary,

In my situation, I now have 36,000 on my oil, and have changed filters two times and added 3 1/2 quarts of oil, all due to "high copper" coming from the oil cooler, so we are both in unison extending our oil drin intervals. :D



Did you make that call to the "CAT" guy in North Dakota?



Wayne

amsoilman



I'm unfamiliar with the routine maintenance schedule for the Amsoil bypass filter, so don't know how recommended efficiency vs mileage compares to my Frantz - I could probably extend my TP cartridge changes to a longer interval, but with Scotts TP at 80 cents a roll, and Delo at about $1. 60 a quart, no need to cheap out on more frequent changes. Plus the stated advantage in maintaining excellent wear metal rates and TBN/TAN...



Frankly, until I receive corroborative analysis results from Blackstone, I'm sorta suspicious of the Cat analysis posted further above - it simply seems too good to be true that such significant reverses in overall wear and contaminents could be accurate - we'll see soon, when the Blackstone analysis on the same oil comes back!



As for contacting the Cat guy you mention, *I* have no reason to question him - he was essentially making the SAME point *I* was - that both Delo and Amsoil display nearly identical particle counts in the lower micron sizes, and that those measurements are pretty common and insignificant as to harmful effects upon the engine. The only reason I brought the subject up, was to document and illustrate that *IF* Moly was truly a conglomoration of significant particles just suspended and floating around in the oil, it would be registered in particle counts - it obviously was NOT, at least as compared to Amsoil, which contains NO Molybdenum, and displayed similar counts!



My point was made, and apparently verified by your Cat rep!



This has been a quite congenial and informative discussion - I like these done this way - I always learn something new and helpful. My conclusion (which will undoubtedly differ from yours) is:



1. Amsoil, for reason only they can provide, has chosen to publish a Moly bashing statement relative to Moly use in engine oils BASED UPON long-past use by some Cummins owners of aftermarket Molybdenum additives sold as "engine rejuvenators". At that point in history, there was valid concern related to then-current technology and formulation - and while concern was valid THEN, it no longer IS, at least not as related to what Chevron is doing with their Delo diesel lube.



2. Amsoil Corp. , even when confronted and asked to clarify their statement, will apparently only do so grudgingly - and still insists upon generally criticising use of Moly in other than chassis greases and gear lubes - looks to me like product envy, or unwillingness to acknowledge advancing industry technology and competitor's product improvement.



3. Even if my assessment above is only PARTLY right, it reflects poorly upon Amsoil Co. I have yet to see ANY major oil refiner feel the need to "knock" or otherwise demean Amsoil - it's good enough to stand on it's own merits - and IF Amsoil is somehow compelled to drag up old issues that are no longer valid to somehow attack a perceived competitor, and elevate their own product, they are DEAD WRONG in their methods! Such tactics only sow the seeds of distrust among potential customers, as they did John in starting this thread - after all, if potential users consider issues as THIS one being distorted by a supplier, what ELSE might they be misrepresenting as well?



For my part, as an avid student of lubricants in general, I fully recognize the benefits and value of use of Moly in MOST lubes, including motor oils, as frequently covered in lubrication related Internet boards such as that I pointed to at the beginning of this thread. Further, tho' lots of further use and analysis must be done in MY truck, early results seemingly totally validate the added wear reduction provided by the new Delo with Moly - and *I* sure do intend to continue with it's use in my truck!



Cheers to all - and thanks to all for an extremely congenial and well contained discussion! :D :D
 
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Gary,



As for contacting the Cat guy you mention, *I* have no reason to question him - he was essentially making the SAME point *I* was - that both Delo and Amsoil display nearly identical particle counts in the lower micron sizes, and that those measurements are pretty common and insignificant as to harmful effects upon the engine. The only reason I brought the subject up, was to document and illustrate that *IF* Moly was truly a conglomoration of significant particles just suspended and floating around in the oil, it would be registered in particle counts - it obviously was NOT, at least as compared to Amsoil, which contains NO Molybdenum, and displayed similar counts!



My point was made, and apparently verified by your Cat rep!


The real point is, as I told you in my e-mail, the "PARTICLE COUNT" portion of the report you are referring to are the "ADDITIVES" in the oil. If you look at the "ELEMENTAL" analysis of the reports, you will see the Chevron has 103 ppm, whereas the Amsoil has 0 ppm. Most certainly, these are not hurting ANYTHING by being there. This is what the Lab Tech from Butler Caterpillar Labs told me!



Yes, this has been a very interesting topic, as it should be, as OIL is the lifeblood of our engines.





Wayne

amsoilman
 
"If you look at the "ELEMENTAL" analysis of the reports, you will see the Chevron has 103 ppm, whereas the Amsoil has 0 ppm. "





YUP, because Delo 400 HAS moly, and Amsoil does NOT - just as we've been pointing out - but Amsoil DOES show Iron content at 2 ppm, and silicon at 3 ppm - even in NEW oil. This sort of random contaminent is quite common in new oils, includin Delo - and CAN show up in particle counts, if component size is large enough to register on analysis equipment.



Stuff like Calcium and Phosphorous are similar elements in additive packages, and are shown in both Amsoil and Delo - and presumably might also be part of the random micron-sized particles registered and displayed in the analysis reports I pointed to...



But we will keep coming BACK to the basic premise and point of contention here, regardless of the Molybdenum content used/not used in Amsoil and Delo, particle counts down in low micron ranges are nearly the same in BOTH oils, and NOT unusually elevated in the Delo because of addition of moly - as would be reasonably expected if addition of Moly truly posed a threat relative to "clumping", or settling out of the base oil somehow.



If settling WAS an issue with moly-containing oils, you'd sorta expect to see a label advising the container be "shaken" before use to distribute those elusive moly particles that might have "settled out" during storage!



I don't believe it does that (settles out), and particle counts and analysis seems to support my assumption. And as a last added point, it seems sorta strange to assume or expect that Moly particles would tend to group together in normal use, while the REST of the oil's molecular structure is at the same time being TORN APART my shear forces - sort of a chemical/mechanical contradiction in my book!
 
YUP, because Delo 400 HAS moly, and Amsoil does NOT - just as we've been pointing out - but Amsoil DOES show Iron content at 2 ppm, and silicon at 3 ppm - even in NEW oil. This sort of random contaminent is quite common in new oils, includin Delo - and CAN show up in particle counts, if component size is large enough to register on analysis equipment.

Gary,

There are a couple of wear metals analysis that can be done. One is called Automic absorption, and the other is emission spectroscopy. Of the two, the atomic absorption provides the greatest level of accuracy per metal analyzed, but is very time consuming and costly, as the equipment needs to be specifically calibrated at different levels for each element examined. An analysis for ten wear metals would therefore require ten passes through the equipment. In this procedure, the oil sample is burned in a high temperature flame, and the equipment detects how much energy was absorbed by a particular element such as Iron or tin.



In the Emission Spectroscopy the small sample of oil is also burned, but the detection device measures the different levels of light emitted. The equipment is calibrated to simultaneously measure the emitted light from as many as 18 different wear metals and contaminants in little more than a minute to complete the wear metals analysis. This procedure is somewhat less accurate than atomic absorption, but is much less costly and time consuming to do.



As I also pointed out to you Gary, the Lab Tech said these very small ppm numbers of (Fe) Iron and (Si) Silicon, are most likely generated from the test apperatis. It is also a known fact that a spectrochemical test apperatis, can only read particles as small as 5-10 microns.



Also Gary, the longer the oil is in use, (without adding any oil) the wear metals will exhibit an accumulative effect which indicates higher PPM levels.





I don't believe it does that (settles out), and particle counts and analysis seems to support my assumption. And as a last added point, it seems sorta strange to assume or expect that Moly particles would tend to group together in normal use, while the REST of the oil's molecular structure is at the same time being TORN APART my shear forces - sort of a chemical/mechanical contradiction in my book!



Molly will agglomerate just like soot will. Molydenum disulfide is a solid lubricant additive.



Best regards,



Wayne

amsoilman
 
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