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in my 98. 5, the first liftpump went 71K miles, Now 12K and 15 months later I think its going again. I was doing my "once per year oil and fuel filter change" today ( I only use it to move my Husquvarna or my 5th wheel, about 6K per year) so I figured I would test the lift pump before changing the fuel filter. you know how hard it is to prime the fuel filter with an "almost bad" liftpump!



Hit starter, but don't let it start, gauge goes right up to 12psi, but as pump is still running it will drop down to about 3psi in a second or 2 (pump will run for about 45 sec each time.



Ok, maybe its going bad, so I change the filter anyway while I am in there, (no metal in filter) after about 10 cycles (just to be sure) I let the truck start, no problem.



I take it for a drive. At start up I have 12psi, but after about a minute I notice the pressure drops to 3 psi, then back up to 12, then down to 3 (changes about every 10 seconds) as the truck is sitting there idleing. Maybe there's still some air in the line so I take it out for a drive.



I make an 'almost" WOT run through the first couple gears and it holds 12psi, then as I start cruse it goes down to 2-3 and stays there. It would not budge off 2-3 until I shutdown and restart.



Go figure, The last pump just plain would not do more then 8 at idle, then would hit 0-2 under load, none of this jumping around stuff.



So I figure maybe my 2' of hose to the gauge (with air in it) is the problem, so I mount the gauge right on the filter, fire up the truck It hits 12, then for a couple seconds, then goes to 3 and stays there!



What is this pump I here you guys are mounting back at the tank and removing the stock pump? Malorie or something? (actualy I have been following those threads some, but forget which one last the longest. Say in the future I may add a VA and 275's, what pump would you recomend now that I have to PAY for this one. (dealer says "the lift pump is only covered for 80K under the emissions warrante on the 98. 5HD" I now have 84K



PS: I took a look at the Series 2000 I put in my 5 speed 6K miles ago, what used to be blue is now all gray looking!



98. 5, 2wd, 5 speed, Rays Banjo bolts.
 
(dealer says "the lift pump is only covered for 80K under the emissions warrante on the 98. 5HD" I now have 84K



Some of the vendors that advertise on this site are now doing pusher pump "kits". I recommend you call and talk to two or three of them if you decide to go that route.



But the first thing I would do is read my Warranty book cover to cover. Don't just take the dealer's word for it, he may be intentionally telling you wrong, or he may just not know.
 
Erratic pressures are a sure sign of a bad lift pump. Also the lift pump is covered under the engine 5 year/100k warrantee.
 
This lift pump coverage changes from model year to model year, as per my manual and my dealer, the 98. 5 is only covered for 80K miles (HD emissions warrantee). So I called DC on the phone, he also said "its only covered for 80K miles" I asked "then how are all my friends on TDR getting them replaced under the 100K on there 98. 5's?"



His reply was "maybe the dealers are just eating the job"



I said "so DC knows there is a problem with these lift pumps, and they know the bad lift pump can cause the injection pump to go out, but there just saying SCREW YOU to all the owners and saying you have to live with this 12K mile life expecentcy on lift pumps?"



Then he said "let me take my Chrisler hat off for a minute, if it was me, I would contact my dealer and see if they will do the job for you"



I thanked him, and hung up.



Called the dealer, they also said "80K mile warrantee, but I will call the district rep for you and explain the problem, I will call you back".



Now that I think about it, I have to take a day off to "prove" to them my pump is going bad, then take another day off to get it replaced with another 12K lift pump!



thinking about all that valuable vacation time I will loose, I may just switch to a aftermarket one and mount it back by the tank.



From what I read, most of the aftermarket ones are lasting longer then the stock ones, so at 6k miles per year, an aftermarket one may last several years!





Originally posted by Chipstien

Erratic pressures are a sure sign of a bad lift pump. Also the lift pump is covered under the engine 5 year/100k warrantee.
 
I think we have had 12 or 13 updates on the lift pump. Have not heard of failures in the (AA) which is the latest try at making the perfect lift pump. But it has only been out for a few months. I now have a AA. I think my lift pump was dead for close to 8,000 miles and the truck still ran fine. Oh well bad lift pump, good VP44 :) I hope :D
 
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