Anyone having any problems with BD-power or DTT transmission products?

[Piers]

You know Bill something is missing here. You keep making reference to whether or not the milled stator is more or less efficient than a hand built steel stator. What are you doing beating a dead horse? Brian has stated he feels the steel stator is more efficient, I have stated that, are you waiting until Dave from Goerend, Tony from Dunrite, Joe from Suncoast all come on the site & say the same thing?
Then there is the problem with everyone saying that their milled stator is higher than your present one of 91%.
How can we measure our stator efficiency in the same manner as you measured yours if you won't tell anybody what method to use?
It's not like we went out & invented a special test procedure just to upset the apple cart. What we are doing is a normal test procedure, in fact I think most guys in the transmission industry test going from lock to unlock in their testing. We both know that it doesn't put the same load on the tc as going from unlock to lock while under load. That is how these tests were run.
I try very hard to see both sides of the coin. I can understand where you have a
problem in how the numbers compare, but without having a specific test procedure, that we can all go by, I don't know how we're going to get a standerd.

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Piers, BD engine R&D

 

[Mopar-muscle]

yes Piers , there are 2 sides to every story , and not having heard both i can only guess how things were , but i bet the uneasiness between the 2 parties involved was set in motion before that meeting . but like you say it's water under the bridge .

i guess the good thing that has come from this is that BD is finally making a product that is GOOD vs. what was available before . when i was first looking for a TC for my ram one of your suppliers on the east coast told me not to waste my money on the BD convertor , since my trans seemed to be doing fine with the amount of power i was putting thru it i decided to wait as it seemed there were better products coming down the pike and they arrived as promised .

i have yet to drive a BD equipped ram other than a BD suppliers test rig , but it had someone elses convertor , so far other i have driven 1 other ram with a competitors equipment , but it had a defective pressure lock at the time , the RPM drop was around 400 rpm going into lockup , mine is around 100 rpm , hardly noticeable .

i'm looking forward to to testing a BD equipped ram , but i'm very happy with mine the way it is , so i don't see myself spending more money to get a 2-4% increase in efficency ( as i have been told anything more than what i have is a bit to harsh for everyday driving ), except for more bombs and fixing other deficencies that DODGE tells me is NORMAL with my ram .

John W.
affiliated with no one

 

[johnrv4]

I have a little long-winded story that I would like to share about Bill and DTT. I ordered a converter and valvebody from Bill and installed them in my '98 Ram. Before the install I was getting about 100rpm drop at full throttle shifts. After the install I was at about 450-500rpm drop. I had contacted Bill with questions and received answers promptly and to my satisfaction. I took my truck in for some warranty work right after the install. While I was there, I was offered a price on trade-in that really made me think... I ended up trading on a new truck for a very good price- the only catch was they wanted my truck STOCK with no aftermarket modifications. So I contacted Bill and told him my situation. His reply was " You're the customer, no problem if you want to return the parts". So back under the truck I went #ad
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. To make a long story short, the stock parts were installed, the truck felt like a POS, and I now have a new truck. Bill only charged me a small clean-up fee which I thought was very fair. I would recommend his products to anyone. I'm not used to that level of customer statisfaction and will not hesitate to purchase items from DTT for my new truck (as soon as the $$ permit).

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2001. 5 2500 Quad cab SLT 4x4 ETH/DEE, towing package, snow plow prep, 3:55 anti-spin, and other goodies. Flame Red

 

[Herbie2]

Bill K.
Thanks for your quick response, willnotbe sending the valve body back as I haven't got allthe oil out of my hair from the instalation. Willbe contacting your sales office after January 15th.

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99-2500-auto-exbk-mswitch-14000+5er-DTTvalve body--dunrite converter-275inj. -ezpe

 

[boatman]

John, I have had the BD converter and valve body since april and have been happy with the valve body but very disappointed in the tc so I have ordered DTT's 91% tc. I will have it in not this weekend but the next. I an going to try the BD valve body with it first, but if I don't like the way it works I will change it to the DTT vb. I will post my results.

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99,QC,SB,Auto,3. 54,4X4,Sport,Bright White,Mopar Flares, Tuff Country 3" Lift, Westin Nerf Bars, 16. 5-9. 75 Weld Typhoon Wheels, 35-12. 50-16. 5 BFG AT TA`s,DD Stage III Injectors and Boost Modual,BD Valve Body, BD Medium Stall Torque Converter, JRE 4" Exhaust.

 

[Deezal Man]

Pier,

And guys running DTT converters so you know if after going through this test, you feel the milled stator converter's are more efficient than your steel stator convertor you can have your tc money back.

I think the "efficiency" word has become over used here, and/or automatically referenced to TC efficiency.

As I may have stated before, I don't care who's TC registers higher on a chart, or test procedure. . What does it feel like when I'M driving it or pulling a trailer. Thats what really matters. IMO. IF the milled units feel better. . That's what I'd buy. And vise versa. I'd like to think most here would agree with that.

Further, I think Bill's statement here was nothing more than him putting his money on the table. Correct me if I'm wrong here Bill. IF so, then shame on you Bill.

IMO, my idea puts everyone on the same playing field. . No one would be able to add that old "Dodge vs. Ford favoritizm. Their impressions would be based completely off of what they experienced during the test drive.

I'm hoping someone will step up to the plate on this, Looking at the locations of future TDR events... I don't see a way for me to have any involvement in organizing this.
Nor do I think anyone from BD or DTT should be involved. . Short of suppying the TC/VB.

Maybe the "testers" should own Chevys or Fords, further removing any chance of favorites. What do you guys think??

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98. 5' 24v 2500 Auto/3. 54 4x4 SB QC 285-75-16's on Alcoa's. Everything but leather. PIAA 1200's, AMSOIL dual filter relocation system, Smittybuilt Stainless Steel Nerfs, Rhino Liner(Junk), K&N air filter(For Sale)15 year AMSOIL dealer. Time permitting, Soon to include Ultra-lite Pyro,0-50lbs boost, Trans temp in the pillar. Rancho 9000's with in cab adjustment.

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Deezal Man,

You read my post correctly i meant what i said.

Bill Kondolay
Diesel Transmission Technology

 

[Banshe]

I installed the Kondolay Converter (sounds pretty cool, huh? ... Kondolay Converter) any way, I also installed the VB about 10K miles ago. Hauled around a 13. 5K 5ver for about 4K miles of that up and down mountains and across flatlands. Never a problem. Bill has always been super responsive to any questions I've had.

I had considered installing BD's setup, but when Bill began manufacturing a new product there was a lot of interest generated here. I used that as my guide to buying his product. No regrets here.

Now on to BD. I have also bought products from BD and Piers has been completely honest and helpful in assisting me with any concerns or quesions I'd had.

Bottom line, aside from the "possible" bad blood issue between the two, I don't think you could go wrong with either. Both are customer driven and completely responsive to that end! I would have no reservations about buying again from either one.

"Banshe" Bill

 

[rhoads]

The answer to your guestion is YES.
Must admit i did'nt read your post past BD Auto troubles. And don"t own one But!!!!
Hint by pass the the oem cooler,(lines and all)install temp guage,larger lines to---install'ed after market cooler,unhook the can for warm up(coolant/atf-fluid)(for warm up put transmission in nutral) Don't agree call my brother -in-law $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ spent.
I told him to get a stick!
Fence builder Reynolds In. Buschman.
BD replaced the first one ... Count your blessings you coule have bought a chevy(no power) or Ford.
Truth is if you want a auto buy Ford-
A -Stick Dodge. BUT i have never seen a Ford person with out A CAN of ether at 60 deg. The glow plugs and relay's add up guick... ... to say nothing about the clutch assy$1000-NO labor inc. - auto's stronger,-- but not much,HE owen's both. .

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96-3500 SLT EXT. CAB AM/FM/CD-RINO LINER. D-CELERATOR EXH. BRK-RED LINE VAC. OVER HYD BRK CONTROL- AIR BAGS W/HVY DUTY AIR COMP. PUTCO S/STEEL DEEPBOARDS FRONT TO REAR. REESE 20K 5TH WHEEL & GOOSE -REESE 20K HITCH BELOW W/17K RECEVER. CLEAR COATED & SOUND DEADINGING &UNDER COATED 5 SPD/W 4:10 MCHLN'S 235/16'S UNIDEN PC76/WEATHER-WILSON 1000 MAG MOUNT ANT. 4 WHL ANTI LOC BRK SYS.

 

[Koa Man]

tdrmbramr,
Ford auto trans are even worse than Dodge's. I have three friends with Ford F350 Diesels, all with flatbed dumps so they do a lot of hauling. Two of them went out twice and one went out three times. All were told not to use the O/D. All three have stock engines. My auto trans has not failed so far and I am towing or carrying a load 80% of the time. Even empty my truck weighs 8250 lbs. with the equipment I carry in the tool boxes plus the weight of the dump hoist. This is the only work truck I have with an auto trans and it will also be the last one. No more auto trans work trucks for me.

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1996 3500 Clubcab SLT, auto, 4. 10 limited-slip, TST #5, 370s, AFC spring kit, Psychotty, Dunrite converter, Trans-Go, Walker 21471, DiPricol EGT, boost & trans temp. gauges, 9 ft. aluminum flatbed and tool boxes with Venco dump. Custom front bumper, Hadley air horn, PowerVision mirrors.

 

[HC]

I was taught to find the problem, fix the problem not cover or mask the problem... .
... when a customer buys a DTT products it comes with my and experience and everything Odell taught me. The buck stops with me, no committes, no hassles, with me.

Well, Bill, if that is your attitude, then
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If you ever move closer to where I live then my next truck might have an AUTOMATIC! #ad

 

[rhoads]

K man I beg to differ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Want back up e-mail me and i will give you my outlaws ph number he owns one ram an one ford auto 4x4
Truth is hard to axcept-want a auto F- stick D /w/4500. Eat your heart ,facts of life

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96-3500 SLT EXT. CAB AM/FM/CD-RINO LINER. D-CELERATOR EXH. BRK-RED LINE VAC. OVER HYD BRK CONTROL- AIR BAGS W/HVY DUTY AIR COMP. PUTCO S/STEEL DEEPBOARDS FRONT TO REAR. REESE 20K 5TH WHEEL & GOOSE -REESE 20K HITCH BELOW W/17K RECEVER. CLEAR COATED & SOUND DEADINGING &UNDER COATED 5 SPD/W 4:10 MCHLN'S 235/16'S UNIDEN PC76/WEATHER-WILSON 1000 MAG MOUNT ANT. 4 WHL ANTI LOC BRK SYS.

 

[rhoads]

Should read eat your heart OUT.
And i must ad if you want a eng you can count on and work on CUMMINS. Open the hood of a ford and you can feel the suction on the wallet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>!!

 

[Herbie2]

As per above post I have a DTT Valve Body. I bought it becausethe add under "links" stated it would lock up and give exceptional braking power in second gear. After rechecking the add thats what it states the Valve body will do. Bill K above explains how the valve body will not do this without his "smart controler" which is available for $400. 00. I believehis add on the valve body is misleading if not an out n out Bill Clinton story. No Bill, I am not goingtotake the valve body out and try and find a replacement, but I think if you want to deal squarly with people you should goback and reqwrite your add and state the valve body does not provide braking in 2nd gear without the use of an additional $400. 00 gadget.

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99-2500-auto-exbk-mswitch-14000+5er-DTTvalve body--dunrite converter-275inj. -ezpe

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Herbie,

The 2nd gear lock up controller is not
$400. 00, I believe the price you are referring to is for the Smart Controller. The 2nd gear system is a separate item.

All our valve bodies are all 2nd gear lock up capable and are prepped to accept the controller. However not all our customers wish to have that feature and we for safety reasons have chosen to have the 2nd gear lock up electronically controlled.

I can appreciate the fact that you are obviously angry and perhaps feel that you were mis-lead, and that is why I offered you your money back so you could purchase a vb or shift kit of your choice.

One thing you may want to consider is that our tc’s are designed to not need lock up. Using lock up is a non issue for the majority of our customers.

I see from your profile that you have a Dunrite converter and they promote the use of lockup, in 1st gear , 2nd gear , 3rd gear and 4th gear.
You may be better served by one of their valve bodies or shift kits that allow you to manually control lock up in any gear you wish and down shift from any speed.

While I do build these type of systems for Drag cars, and street rods, I WILL NOT do this for the Dodge Cummins.

I spend the majority of my time trying to talk people out of lock up devices not into them, we built our entire product line around the safe use of lock up. If you need lock up for exhaust brake application or for heavy traffic or off road use under light to moderate driving conditions the valve body is not capable by itself of determining engine load. When people add more power to their trucks the transmission lock up circuit is still using the tps sensor and the vehicle speed sensor as if you still had stock hp.

Our controller allows the driver to set the lock up system to dis-engage under hard excelleration to prevent transmission and torque converter damage.

While we can safely and effectively alter the circuit that controls lock up under load electronically, we cannot safely do it hydraulically as it leads to tc and transmission damage.

While we do our best to please each and every customer to the best of our abilities we have to accept that we will never be able to please everyone. We will however continue to try, you have options, as I said I will refund your money and send you back a core so that you can find a product better suited to your needs.

Bill Kondolay
Diesel Transmission Technology

 

[RobbyRam]

So far we only have the "Big Two": 'BD and DTT'
Looks like some new transmission company should take he best from both the aformentioned and make the 'ultimate TC and VB!' Kind of like Dodge did to Ford and Chevy when they put a Cummins in their trucks #ad


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Bob in Sacramento, Y2K Black 3500 ISB 4x4 4:10 LSD,Auto,QC,SLT Laramie, Slightly BOMBED LB, Polished Stull Billet Grill & Fog inserts, Chrome Smitty-Built Step Rails, Mopar Chrome-Tipped Mud Flaps, A-Pillar mounted West-Tach Turbo/Pyro/Trans Temp gauges,Rancho 9000's set at '1',Diamond Plated Tool Box, OEM U. R. Bedliner + other stuff.
Fact:The First Fords' had 'DODGE' Engines! The new PSD's need them!

 

[John]

RobbyRam, I believe that is EXACTLY what Bill Kondolay has done!

 

[Scooby]

Herbie,

It sounds like you may not have described your intended use of your transmission to Bill. I try to ask a lot of questions and "what-if" scenarios when I talk to Bill - basically I play dumb (not hard to do) and ask what he thinks. He's even told me that he wouldn't recommend specific products for my application - even though he knows he could make a sale to me!

I'll say it now: If I was a woman and Bill Kondolay was single (and WAY better looking!), I'd have to marry that guy! #ad
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{Don't anyone freak-out... the above comment was for humorous purposes only}

 

[Herbie2]

Scooby--perhaps my error---read on forum that bill had vb that would lock up in second gear--i think it was a post from bill---read add on his web site--it said, and still does that it will lock up--called sales # and ordered for my make and model--thought written word was better than verbal bs oh well

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99-2500-auto-exbk-mswitch-14000+5er-DTTvalve body--dunrite converter-275inj. -ezpe

 

[Bill Kondolay]

Herbie,
I re-read the website, and you are correct, the explanation was too brief and I am sorry you were mis-led , however as I mentioned before ,you can have your money back. Our website is being re-vamped to be a little more explanatory.

In feb we have a new format and a lot more technical info. on systems, tuning, ect.
I realize the systems we have developed are more complex and we are working towards better communication.

Bill
Diesel Transmission Technology.