Anyone using the paper towel oil filter??

[Red360]

Just wondering if anyone is using that Gulf Coast paper towel oil filter?

 

[jqram35]

I live right here on the coast and have been meaning to get over there and check it out but, I don't think I would do it anyway, I like changing my oil.

 

[Barry]

Let me tell you what I bought about a year ago. A half of a pickup load of Frantz oil filters. I got biguns and littleuns. I even have some for marine applications and fuel filters. CHEAP.

 

[work2muchplay2little]

You guys lost me, what's a Gulf Coast paper towel oil filter?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Barry - I assume you are interested in selling those Frantz filters? If so, what would you want for a standard size job as used in a passenger vehicle? I use one on my truck with excellent results, and have used Frantz filters for MANY years...

 

[RonaldLarson]

oil filters

The recent TSB from DC regarding oil filters should be read and understood by every one. NO other filters except those listed in the TSB are acceptable for use on the Cummins engine. The use of any other filter, and engine damage due to plugged oil outlets, is automatic cancellation of any engine warranty.

Your Dodge dealer should have copies of the TSB for you to read.

Ron

 

[EMDDIESEL]

Unless you are setting up a bypass system, i would not be using a super low micron filter as your primary filter. You are asking for trouble.

 

[Extreme1]

Re: oil filters

Originally posted by ol ron

The recent TSB from DC regarding oil filters should be read and understood by every one. NO other filters except those listed in the TSB are acceptable for use on the Cummins engine. The use of any other filter, and engine damage due to plugged oil outlets, is automatic cancellation of any engine warranty.

Your Dodge dealer should have copies of the TSB for you to read.

Ron

THE SKY IS FALLING, THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!



Sorry ol ron, I couldn't resist!



You are right, that statement is another way of Cummins saying "You are your own warrentee station. " I figured I passed that threshold (and steped up to the plate) LONG ago!

 

[illflem]

My '63 IH dump truck has a toilet paper oil filter, think it's stock. Must work, it's been on there for almost 40 years.

 

[HEMI®Dart]

The Gulf Coast paper towel oil filter is a bypass filter. Even a good roll of paper towels is alot cheaper the amsoil's replacement bypass filters BE-90, BE-100, BE-110. From $26 to $31 bananas.





Little pricey though, about $ 520 for the HD model we would want on our trucks.





Gulf coast web site:http://www.bypassfilter.com/

 

[Barry]

Gary: The Frantz filters on the internet are $165 last time I checked. I'll sell one for $50 and pay the ups. Mine are all new and still in the original boxes. I even have some bigguns that take 3 rolls of paper at a time.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Barry, are the ones you have the complete installation kits with hoses and fittings? Please Email me with info and address to send $$$...

 

[RonaldLarson]

Extreme 1

"The sky is falling, the sky is falling" ? Your obvious disregard for reasonable prudence and lack of an intelligent response to a very serious concern for those of us whom are not "our own warranty station" is disconcerting. YOU don't care what the manufacturer says about the proper care of their product. YOU are much more intelligent than Cummins, Dodge, hell, the whole manufacturing community!

There are thousands of us who need the protection and security of the generous warranty provided by Chrysler and Cummins. We have respect for the data and information which the builders of our trucks have passed on to us to aid us in achieving the maximum life and performance from our very expensive investments. Your cavalier attitude is counter to the factual and informative information regarding performance and maintenance which many many new TDR members expect from this investment and this web site.

FACT: any oil filter not listed in the TSB is cause for exclusion of warranty when damage caused by oiling failure is evident. What the hell is so difficult for you to understand. What is wrong with any of the filters listed?

Get a life!

Ron

 

[nps]

Extreme 1 - looks like you've been had.



Ol Ron - lighten up, it's a bypass filter after all, not the primary filter.

 

[Bob Cochran]

Don't know if this paper filter is good or bad but I personally would not be comfortable with it. Do you guys remember in the late 60's early 70's the toilet filter, SERIOUS. I did nto trust that one either!!!

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I've used the Frantz toilet paper filter for over 40 years - my dad used them on the commercial trucks he made his living with. We have NEVER experienced the slightest problems with them, but HAVE enjoyed clean oil, and longer oil life.



We HAVE also experienced all the crude jokes - "toilet paper belongs in the bathroom" and the REST of such juvenile, ignorant "humor". Anyone spending much time around SERIOUS diesel engines will soon realize that MANY, if not MOST of them employ some sort of bypass filter in ADDITION to the standard full-flow type. There are a number of name brand, top quality vendors of bypass filters for diesels that use everything form paper towel, string wound and toilet paper elements - and THESE are on engines that are used in serious commercial/industrial situations that make our Dodges seem like kid's toys by comparison.



A while back I put 7000 miles on my Rotella T oil in my Cummins, then sent it to Blackstone for testing - my various levels of wear particles and contaminants were WELL below accepted standards for similar oil in engines NOT using that "evil" Frantz toilet paper bypass filter.



Sure, it's possible for one to be poorly installed, poorly maintained, but that's pretty much true of ANY aftermarket device that relies on reasonable ability intelligence of the owner/installer.



But let me assure you, after MANY years use, and an EXCELLENT recent oil analysis, MY Frantz filter WILL be left operating on MY truck!

 

[NVR FNSH]

Ok, I'll bite. Does Frantz somehow specify the toilet paper to ensure filtration to a specific micron level? I'll admit it - the TP/papertowel thing seems a little iffy to me.



Brian

 

[Archive]

TP Filters............

I think I'll pass on this one.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Brian - it's been years since I bought my last Frantz filter - they used to especially recommend Charmin as I recall, but products change over the years. *I* buy service type rolls as used in restaurants and such because they tend to be more tightly wound and less apt to "channel" in use.



BUT, I'll make you a public challenge, since you describe yourself as a "doubter":



You and I will both change our oil immediately, saving the receipts for materials used - you stick with whatever brand oil you choose, and whichever off the shelf full-flow filter you want - *I* will do the same, except that I will also be using the Frantz filter. At 5000 miles, we will both drain the oil and send samples to whatever analysis outfit you care to select. The one of us showing HIGHER wear particles and contaminents will PAY for BOTH analysis costs and oil/filters used in BOTH engines - and THEN will make a public post to this group about the results.



The results will be based on:



Iron particles

aluminum particles

silicon (dirt) particles

chrome particles

copper particles

insolubles



the above are most directly related to actual wear and contaminents generated in our engines. For the record, MY last test while using the Frantz TP filter showed the following results in parts-per-million:



aluminum - 2 "normal" - 4

chrome - 1 "normal" - 2

iron - 8 "normal" - 25

copper - 2 "normal" 7

silicon - 3 "normal" - 9

insolubles - . 4 "normal" . 7 or less



I'll make that SAME offer to ANY other doubting member in this thread/group currently using ONLY the standard full flow filter on their trucks - so how about it - talks cheap (AND worthless!) - anyone want to put their money where their mouth is, and put their doubts and predjudices to the test out in public, for ALL to see?

 

[NVR FNSH]

Damn Gary - sounds like I hit a sore spot with you



Seriously, I'm curious to know what the stock filter looks like at the end of a cycle. Have you cut one apart? Anybody know how we can evaluate the full flow filter to see if the TP filter is having an adverse effect? Which full flow filter are you running? How much was the oil capacity increased by the addition of the TP filter?



Even though I don't think it is a legitimate comparison I'll take your challenge with these caveats: Your oil filter is a single roll of single ply TP & Rotella T costs $6-7/gallon & it's not more than 4 gal (no amsoil or other snake oil )



My truck is a '00 w/31k, your truck is a '92(?) with how many miles & it is turned up. I've never done an oil analysis so I have no baseline.



I just changed my oil/filter last weekend - Valvoline PB & Stratapore.



This should be interesting