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1. Who is running them?

2. Do you like them? Why / why not?

3. Spool up?

4. EGTs?

5 What sort of fueling mods are you running?

6. What are you doing with the truck?





I have a customer that is interested in a set for his 06 MC DRW. I told him I have no experience with them and he asked me to do some research on them. Thanks!



Jason
 
There was some talk with some people running them on here. I think it was Jason Walsh? If I remember right he did say they were a bit laggy, but Im not 100% on that.



I think they are a very clean set of twins but would need some more imput before going to far.
 
They are definately NOT laggy even with stock fueling. Spool up is instant. The combo is excellent for towing and will keep your egt's very manageable. I have not had them on the dyno, but mid range and top end power feels unbelievable. At first I thought they ran a little warm, but when comparing them to other turbos, they actually do quite well. I would put this setup against any other kit out there.
 
Arent there 2 variations of turbos or is it just the 2k/5k set up? If it was Jason, he was complaining about top end or laggyness, I cant remember but I know he was trying a bunch of fueling combos and possibly was battling a fueling problem, like I said I cant remember.
 
Does a good set of twins help 1/4 times?? I know they help on egts and spool-up but what benefits do they have on the dragstrip over a big single?
 
Luken said:
Does a good set of twins help 1/4 times?? I know they help on egts and spool-up but what benefits do they have on the dragstrip over a big single?





Efficieny! Cooler air intake charge at higher PSI and CFM, Huge advantage.
 
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UPDATE as of 7/10/06: I had my truck at ATS over the holiday and they swapped my A2K out with a new one that they had been working on. I am not sure if it is what you guys are calling a A3K, but all I can say is I am finally very happy with my truck it is very responsive on the bottom end now. It pulls my 11K trailer with ease. Until I had that done I had plenty of days of wondering if I should of left the turbo alone. The truck also idles way smoother now.



The only thing that doesn't make much sense to me is it will only pull a maximum boost level of 42psi. Clint mentioned it is because I have bigger valves and a port job. Does that sound right to you guys? Would the 5000 feet in elevation matter either?



I am entering my second pulling contest on July 22 and running my first qtr mile on July 23. I keep you posted on how I did.
 
bigger valves, cam and large port job will lower boost usually by 8-12 psi boost. It would be nicer if you were closer to the low to mid 50's in boost. You don't want big boost. AS for being more effient, cooler air charge, and having a huge advantage, that is false. Any time you are making more boost, you are warming the air that much more. Twins make a lot more heat when they start making boost. A propper set of twins should be intercooled between the stages to help remove the extra heat. Any time you push exhaust through two turbos, it takes more HP to drive and also trying to push 1300 cfm air through a 700 cfm turbo makes twins Unefficient! But, to answer the original question about will twins help at the track, yes they will. You will make less power than a large single charger, but the twins will spool a little better at the line, and they will maintain boost better when excellerating.
 
also, for street driven twins on the common rail motors, The ATS set-up is one of the best and cleanest out there. They did a nice job building there twins and it is very profesional. If you want a good clean set of twins, and you want more power than a small set of twins, and you don't mind spending a little extra dough, then the ATS twins are the way to go for a daily street driven set-up.
 
fuel, air, and ignition. Need to keep rail pressure up, learn the best ways of igniting diesel, and add lots of air with out sacraficing Net HP. The key to making HP and keeping it a daily driver is knowing the best ways of igniting the diesel.
 
Josh,



Do you know how long this newly designed turbo has been available? The reason I ask is because I received my ATS Aurora twins two months ago and I'm wondering if I already have the new design. I have yet to install them though as I wanted to get some mileage on my new truck before I go and void the warranty.



Thanks,

Clint
 
Reb. B said:
You don't want big boost. AS for being more effient, cooler air charge, and having a huge advantage, that is false. Any time you are making more boost, you are warming the air that much more. Twins make a lot more heat when they start making boost. A propper set of twins should be intercooled between the stages to help remove the extra heat. Any time you push exhaust through two turbos, it takes more HP to drive and also trying to push 1300 cfm air through a 700 cfm turbo makes twins Unefficient! But, to answer the original question about will twins help at the track, yes they will. You will make less power than a large single charger, but the twins will spool a little better at the line, and they will maintain boost better when excellerating.



I dont know about that statement, first off all why dont you want big boost? Why because it heats the air? yes but some setups will heat the air more than others, the point of twins are to gain CFM, boost pressure, and a lower intake temp because most singles cant make high enough boost pressure with low enough temps, the process of compounding the air between a small to big turbo increaces boost pressure CFM at a lower intake temputure. If this wasnt true then we wouldnt need compressor efficiency maps, and we wouldnt need bigger turbos or twins for that matter because according to your statement, "yes twins will help at the track" why is that? is it because its supplying more cooler air? YES!. Why do all of theses aftermarket companies spend tons of time money and effort to develop complex twin turbo kits? BECAUSE THEY WORK! As for your statement about pushing 1300 CFM through a turbo that can only flow 700 CFM worth of air? Thats where external wastegates come into play to bypass all the uneeded drive pressures that would overspeed the small turbo. Richard, you have an impressive truck but why do you need nitrous? because the single your running cant product the air it takes to burn all your fuel. Whats your highest HP on #2 only? I would love to see your truck now and with the right set of twins to see what it does on #2 only. I would bet its quite a bit more HP and the driveability goes way up.
 
Mattymac, I've dynoed over 800 without NOS. When i dyno, i tune my engine for NOS. The engine in my truck has a stock long block. Stock valves, no port job, stock cam. I took not one, but two trucks, one with only 1200 miles on the odometer, and they took the two top DODGE spots at MM'06. I'm sure that i've tried many more turbos than you have. Probably 20 dif. singles and 10 sets of different twins. (the more testing on the dyno will tell the sory). Twins have made less power with the dyno testing i have done. Hey, I used to like twins, they looked impressive and i thought that they should beat everything, but every time i got on the dyno, I got beat by a truck with a big single. Twins heat up the air more, PERIOD! More boost is more heat. Go touch your air compressor when its running and its about 100 psi! More intake heat is less dense air and less oxygen. There are no bypasses to bypass 1300 cfm air through the small 700 cfm air turbo on the compressor side. I've done the dyno testing. Trucks with the same setup as mine, but with twins dyno over 150 HP less than mine, I wonder why? Any way, twins heat air, when the air is hot there is less oxygen. If you don't believe me then go spend(waste) your money and throw on a set of twins. Hardly anybody intercools between turbos and if you want to make top power with twins, then you need to intercool between the stages. Now lets compare apples to apples, we are talking about making HP, not drag racing or sled pulling. As far as driveablity, you have not driven in my truck, so don't go there. It pulls cattle trailers all over this Valley and beats anything thats next to it. I'm sure my setup would not be the best at 5000 ft, but at sea level it runs with any other turbo, at least on a common rail. As for 12v and older 24V trucks its harder to run a large turbo on the street, but the common rail engine tuned correct CAN run a large turbo very easy. Twins just take too much power to run and restrict too much on the intake and exhaust side. ALSO, mattymac, ... ... have you ever tried to take a leak in the wind, lol. Well, what do you think happens to your spray angle when you have 85 psi coming into your chamber. The tests have been performed, take it for what its worth. I run a single because it makes power, not because its simpler, more reliable, and cheaper. All in all, run what ya brung, spent your money the best way you see fit and i'll do the same. The numbers tell the story. No dispect intended, but you need to run the tests. I have a fealling you haven't, and thats okay. It just takes time, a lot of time. Oh, one more thing, the top 5 trucks at MM'06 this year were running big singles, just think of the power numbers if they were all running twins, oops.
 
Hey Reb!

I see your point. I think the big thing with the twins is driveability. A big single will make more power on a dyno and race track, but light to light, they can be laggy and smokey. We are looking for insight to a set of twins for a customer of mine that wants a set of twins. Its a daily driver and will on occasion tow a very heavy back hoe, and more often to a lighter tractor. best of both worlds, ya dig?

I'm not arguing your power. I was there. I was running the Amsoil booth at the dyno event and ran my truck. I took 1st place for under 600. Your trucks run, but how are they cruising in town?
 
the 03 which ran the best is perfect in town and it had the larger of the turbos. The 06 was a little laggy. I blame it on poor design injectors and the dreaded third shot. Now, here is the problem with towing and twins. First let me say that the ATS twins are very clean and well thought out. But, when towing with twins its very hard to control boost under 20 PSI. Now this is important because of water temps, not EGT's. When you go with twins, and your rail pressure is where is should be, your EGT's should be perfect, but when you start making over 20 PSI boost, the air intake temps go up. At 20 psi boost, the temps will be 210 degrees. 30 psi boost, the air intake will be 320 degrees. This is where the intercooler comes in. The intercoler does a great job of cooling off the air intake temp, but the problem is it radiates the temp right in front of the radiator. So when you are pulling a grade at 30 psi boost its like driving through Death Valley @ 275 degrees. This is the same reason cars, trucks, etc. have to turn off their A/C when going up long grades, because the condensor radiates a lot of heat right in front of the radiator.



So, this is the big problem with twins. They work VERY well after 15 psi boost, but when towing they work TOO good and its hard to controll boost.
 
Now Im confused as to which way I should go... I was planning on ditching the single and running twins. My only concern is 1/4 mile and driving on the street. Are twins better for that?



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