Ats or DTT poll

[Smokin Ram]

i am a avid ATS fan. . i run a 94 cummins with 700 hp and 1500 + lbs of torque, i pull professionally, i run the ats tripple lock converter. Before i replaced the stock intermediate shaft(clean break)with a billiet ats shaft and the stock output shaft (with a hardened shaft) after they broke, even with these breaks it never even flinched my ats tc, clint at ats assures me never once has a ats tc quit,or broke... . you cant beat that. . my ats converter is quick, it has the highest stater speed and the most torque mulitplication , ats has the only valve body that allows you to lock your converter manually with a mystery switch. . other then a stock and hold and not burn out. ( ps never mix the trans parts. . doesnt work so well. ats, its never bowed or buckled on us once. you may be paying cheaper, but cheaper isnt always better. I ve worked with both and ive replaced dtt with ats, i have experience and have tested the limits of these transmitions in several pulling trucks, race trucks, dodge, ford and gmc. I hope you take the time to look futher and see the differences i have.

 

[c-hawk]

i am a avid ATS fan. . i run a 94 cummins with 700 hp and 1500 + lbs of torque, i pull professionally, i run the ats tripple lock converter. Before i replaced the stock intermediate shaft(clean break)with a billiet ats shaft and the stock output shaft (with a hardened shaft) after they broke, even with these breaks it never even flinched my ats tc, clint at ats assures me never once has a ats tc quit,or broke... . you cant beat that. .

I know a few people that have broke stock output shafts, and 1 personally that has broke an intermediate. It didn't take out there converters either. I'm far from a transmission expert, but i fail to see how breaking these hard parts would take out any converter.

my ats converter is quick, it has the highest stater speed and the most torque mulitplication

Isn't that another way of saying loose, or, least amount of power transfer while out of lock-up. I agree completely given the rides i've had in a 600hp ATS truck in muncie, followed immediately by a ride in a 600hp DTT truck. Both trucks made 600 hp on the same dyno on the same day in muncie.

ats has the only valve body that allows you to lock your converter manually with a mystery switch. . other then a stock and hold and not burn out.

I have a mystery switch and can lock my converter in any gear anytime.

I ve worked with both and ive replaced dtt with ats, i have experience and have tested the limits of these transmitions in several pulling trucks, race trucks, dodge, ford and gmc. I hope you take the time to look futher and see the differences i have.

The ATS truck i rode in at Muncie is now running DTT. He is not sponsored by either company and never has been. After investing all the money he did in ATS, there was enough difference in the two that he spent money all over again and went to DTT.



Chris



P. S. why do all ATS arguments always come down to one thing, lock-up. I don't think any of the hi performance transmission companies out there are having issues getting lock-up to hold. It's the rest of the transmission that fails, and DTT has done more to fix all parts of the transmission.



Read and enjoy:



http://www.dieseltrans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=529

 

[Smokin Ram]

the question begs then was this guys truck a complete ats transmission or just partial, hence why i stated to never mix transmittion parts, and im sure he will continue to spend now... All it takes is the transmittion inner parts to be julted, ( trust me if youve broke your intermediate shaft you would have experienced it), causing the shafts ie input, to move slightly out of their tolerences and the torque converter loses a seal, and totally fubars the tc. trust me ive built these if your off by 10 to 20 thow(sp) its game over. Sorry about the misinformation on the lock up, my experience tells me bd wont do it, and the ddt wouldn't hold. The idea of a higher torque multiplication would signify a higher power transfer through the transmission ie

"mulitpication", simple physics, "objects in motion continue... " i fail to see your loseness arguement. I never ment to get your hair on edge here, im posting with a "actual " experience back ground, ( like very little before have done, its just been brand wars) ive used both, i like ats and have only seen it stand up to the test. Sorry for treding on your toes.



ps. please see new policy posting it will be a good read.

pss. glad to here the truck you rode in muncie was yours... i really dont want to argue, never did, im just stating my experience what the fella asked for



im pulling out of the forum becasue i only wish to help the poster, not argue, thanks, sorry to the moderator if this is out of guide lines

 

[c-hawk]

the question begs then was this guys truck a complete ats transmission or just partial, hence why i stated to never mix transmittion parts, and im sure he will continue to spend now... All it takes is the transmittion inner parts to be julted, ( trust me if youve broke your intermediate shaft you would have experienced it), causing the shafts ie input, to move slightly out of their tolerences and the torque converter loses a seal, and totally fubars the tc. trust me ive built these if your off by 10 to 20 thow(sp) its game over. Sorry about the misinformation on the lock up, my experience tells me bd wont do it, and the ddt wouldn't hold. The idea of a higher torque multiplication would signify a higher power transfer through the transmission ie

"mulitpication", simple physics, "objects in motion continue... " i fail to see your loseness arguement. I never ment to get your hair on edge here, im posting with a "actual " experience back ground, ( like very little before have done, its just been brand wars) ive used both, i like ats and have only seen it stand up to the test. Sorry for treding on your toes.



ps. please see new policy posting it will be a good read.

pss. glad to here the truck you rode in muncie was yours... i really dont want to argue, never did, im just stating my experience what the fella asked for



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Last edited by DMulock : Today at 12:24 PM.

Yes, the truck had a complete ATS transmission. Now it has a complete DTT. This truck as far as i know has never broke any shafts, and is not the one i was refering to.



Don't worry, you didn't "get my hair on edge" or "tread on my toes" at all. I apologize if my reply came off in a way that implied that. I'm not trying to argue either try not to take it that way. I'm just sharing my first hand experience with the two trannys.



Neither truck i'm talking about from muncie belongs to me. I do have a DTT, as stated in my signature, but my twins are new and i haven't even got them tuned, yet alone dynoed 600hp with them this past summer.



I see in your post at the top of the page that you edited for "sponsorship policy guide lines". I'm curious if your sponsored.



Thanks,

Chris

 

[Smokin Ram]

no, all my own hard earned cash, just like the way my trannys stood up and dont want to see a fellow member lose any cash, i wish you the best with your dtt and twins, i specified sponsorship guide lines because i mentioned a performance company and decided to not go that direction and stick with just experience and personal advice.



Thanks Dustin

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

I would be really curious to see any part that your vendor has internally that is better than DTT? Can you think of any. The DTT Trans that you apparently seen what parts did it have, TC, VB, Billet Servo, Billet Accumulator, DTT Band Anchor, DTT Band Strut, DTT Billet 3rd Gear Drum, Billet Input and Hub, Billet Intermediate, Billet Output, DTT Billet Flexplate, DTT Apply Lever? What did it have and who was it? That way I can pull his sheet, because we keep a sheet on every customer.

 

[Edward]

Read and enjoy:



http://www.dieseltrans.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=529

Chris

The poll question is ATS or DTT. Nothing in the question is about a stock transmission. The link you posted above compares the DTT transmission to stock. He wants to know the difference between ATS and DTT not DTT and stock. If we want to help the guy out we need to keep this on topic.



Please take this as constructive because that is how it is meant.



Edward

 

[Edward]

I would be really curious to see any part that your vendor has internally that is better than DTT? Can you think of any. The DTT Trans that you apparently seen what parts did it have, TC, VB, Billet Servo, Billet Accumulator, DTT Band Anchor, DTT Band Strut, DTT Billet 3rd Gear Drum, Billet Input and Hub, Billet Intermediate, Billet Output, DTT Billet Flexplate, DTT Apply Lever? What did it have and who was it? That way I can pull his sheet, because we keep a sheet on every customer.

Stefan

Here is a link you need to check out. It’s worth the money.

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/advertising.htm

If we can keep the advertising out this thread may stay on topic.



Edward

 

[c-hawk]

Chris

The poll question is ATS or DTT. Nothing in the question is about a stock transmission. The link you posted above compares the DTT transmission to stock. He wants to know the difference between ATS and DTT not DTT and stock. If we want to help the guy out we need to keep this on topic.



Please take this as constructive because that is how it is meant.



Edward

The link discusses the parts that go into every DTT transmission. Some of these parts aren't even available from other transmission companies. I think it's relevant, but if it isn't the moderators can certainly remove it.

 

[SnoKing]

This started as a poll, ATS or DTT by a fairly new CTD owner who also has another thread open about what upgrades he should do.

Results

95 DTT for 69. 85 Percent

41 ATS for 30. 15 Percent

Those of us that have done our research know that DTT puts more custom upgraded parts in their complete trannys than anyone else. Their trannys are very good, and many of us have them (Over 2/3 in this poll).



If you go read the other thread, I believe that he has decided what he wants to do with his truck. So enough already! SNOKING

 

[Smokin Ram]

stephan as stated, im out of the forum, your serious and i respect that but you cant change what ive seen break and delt with , good luck doing that with any one else, i was only trying to add my experience, im a new member and this is souring me, its not what i expected from this thread.







*Note to moderator close this thread down... . its lost its cause*

 

[Rman]

wilddiesel / Ken Jones/ Performance Diesel now ATS vendor , you really should identify your vendor affiliation. If I am not mistaken there is a rule about that. For those of you reading wilddiesel's statement and are curious . As a personal favor to Lawrence at DD and Brett and Taylor at Edge, Bill allowed Ken or wild diesel as he calls himself now, for his personal customer base to work with a local dodge dealership/builder . When it became appararent that OEM systems were better suited to this vendor, DTT ended the relationship . Eventhough Lawrence and Bill were,and still are good friends,Lawrence understood why it was necessary for DTT refuse further sales to Ken. Baker Diesel in Ogden Utah was, and is the only personally trained DTT build shop & installation center. This post is intended as a clarification only, I did not want my customers confused by the comment.

not that Ken need's defending but there's more to it than that. To all, becareful what you read on the internet ... sometimes it can be jaded.

 

[klaybus]

It's your hard earned money. Do some research & go with your gut! IMHO I believe DTT builds the best from the research I did. Customer service is outstanding & thats important to me. A warranty doesn't mean SQUAT if they don't stand behind it... I'm not saying one does or doesn't I've just heard many good things about Bill & Co. . Anything is an improvement over the stock transmission.

Good luck on your new transmission. At the prices these things go for you only want to do it once!



Clay

 

[1FSTDSL]

ATS the only way to go. Imposible to break

I broke mine.

 

[1FSTDSL]

clint at ats assures me never once has a ats tc quit,or broke... .

He lied to you, I broke one.



I run a Suncoast now. Although I would not be afraid to use a DTT.

 

[jcarey]

not that Ken need's defending but there's more to it than that. To all, becareful what you read on the internet ... sometimes it can be jaded.



Yeh... not identifying your vendor affiliations

 

[mattymac]

Suncoast all the way!



If not I would choose DTT.



But now I seem to have chosen South Bend! :-laf