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Here are some operating guidelines that I hope will help people with the understanding of how these work & their limitations.

The difference between the AutoLoc and the TorqLoc is that the Torqloc will force the converter clutch to lock up & the Autoloc will only hold, an already locked up converter clutch. When you ask for an overdrive to third gear shift, the Torqloc doesn’t wait for the computer to lock up the clutch, it sends its own signal to the converter clutch, and as long as you are A) above the set speed and B) the transmission is hydraulically correct [ throttle pressure is applied] , the TorqLoc will force a lock up.
The AutoLoc cannot force a lock up only hold one on deceleration. The Chrysler transmission does not lock up in third gear, unless the overdrive is turned off. Also the Chrysler transmission won’t allow an overdrive to third gear downshift if the torque converter clutch is locked up. This holds true not matter what system you are using to hold the converter clutch locked up.

While driving with the overdrive turned off, and the AutoLoc is turned on, the transmission shifts from first to second to third, and then locks up. Anytime after the lock up has occurred and you take your foot off the accelerator, the AutoLoc will turn the exhaust brake on and hold the torque converter clutch locked until about 25mph when it will then turn off the torque converter clutch. When driving on the freeway in overdrive, the torque converter clutch will be locked up and the AutoLoc turned on, if you release the throttle the AutoLoc will apply the brake and hold the torque converter clutch locked up. To increase the amount of retarding horsepower, turn off the overdrive and the AutoLoc will sense this signal and cut the signal that’s holding the torque converter clutch applied, the transmission will then downshift into third gear. At this point you should apply throttle pressure until the factory computer says everything is okay and locks up the torque converter clutch. As soon as that happens you should remove throttle pressure and the AutoLoc will turn the exhaust brake on and keep the torque converter clutch applied until you get down to about the 25mph mark. The set speed is adjustable, one can set it for a higher mph, so you don’t have to worry about remembering to turn off the overdrive or lower if one has 4:10 gears.

Now suppose you’re driving along, overdrive is on, the AutoLoc is on and you need to make a stop or slow down, but don’t need the extra retarding horsepower of third gear or; you don’t have time to wait for the downshift, applying throttle and waiting for lockup, (this would all take about 4-6 seconds) and you don’t want the shuddering that would occur when you have a locked up torque converter clutch & you’re going to be doing less than 35 mph in overdrive. You can do any of the four following actions to cancel out the system: turn off the AutoLoc switch, turn off the overdrive, lightly step on the throttle pedal, or pull the gearshift lever down into second gear. Turning off the overdrive or the AutoLoc are the best of the four options.
Now enters the Torqloc, it should only be used under light throttle applications. No matter whose torque converter you are using, the converter clutch has only so much holding power & if you exceed this you will start to slip the clutch, thereby starting the demise of your converter clutch.
An example of when one would use the Torqloc position would be when one is on a winding road. Where one is on and off the throttle a lot & you don’t want to keep locking & unlocking the converter clutch. The Torqcloc will hold the converter clutch locked up, preventing that from happening. You must keep in mind while doing this that if you apply too much throttle pressure, especially at the lower rpm band you may start to slip the converter clutch. A general rule of thumb when holding the converter clutch locked up is no more that 1 lb of boost for every 100 engine rpm.
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1997 2500 Ext Cab 4X4,5 spd,Pac brake,Rancho 9000's,Centerforce clutch,K&N airfilter,Missing Cat,Isspro gauges,and #11plate(280hp/680tq)
 
Piers,at last i,m able to understand what some of the previous post are about,now i can grasp the workings of these add ons.
Most excellent! thankyou!


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I would like to add, that in my personal opinion I feel that anybody running a high performance engine & an automatic transmission should have a converter clutch unlock switch. Although it is important to lock up your converter for deceleration with an exhaust brake, it is very important to be able to hold off locking up your converter in the hard accelleration mode, until it is safe to do so. In all the videos & truck pulls & etc. that I do with my truck the converter clutch is NEVER locked up.

[This message has been edited by Piers (edited 11-09-2000). ]
 
Pires,
From what you are saying, it sounds like I shouldn't expect any e brake-related problems with my stock transmission and the BD brake system. I only plan to use my camper a couple of weeks per year and I usually run in OD without tromping on the go peddle so the BD equipment is only along for the ride.

I also heard that I should engage the brake from time to time to make sure it doesn't get stuck in the off postion.

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2001, 3500, 2X4, QC, SLT, Auto, 3. 54 gears, camper and tow packages. Lance model 1130 camper. Rancho 9000 5 Speed shocks. BD Brake, autoloc, pressureloc. Hadley air horns. OEM bugshield w/eyebrows and dash cover. Member San Jose Ram Runners.
 
thanks Piers thats will be a great help to me just got a bd torque convertor, valve body,psi lock and auto lock installed on my truck at carson dodge will be getting my truck back monday. While they were in there they found that the flex plate was only a four bolt not a six bolt i am a little worryed about that. I wanted to have it changed but they said it would be six weeks to get the part. Next to find out why or how the wrong plate got in there and whos going to pay to put the right one in. The trucks out of warrinty. Bill

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94 dodge cummins 4x4,bd ,brake,bd injectors, amsoil throught chrome running boards,on board compressor with rear air bags chrome fifth box mag-hytec trans pan with pole mount temp gage,cb,fifth wheel tail gate,and bed liner.
 
Piers, how can you keep the TCC unlocked? The TorqLoc version JUST prior to the one I purchased had the manual unlock feature instead of the AutoLoc feature (switch down) as is the current TorqLoc configuration. I was told that running with the TCC in the unlocked mode would generate PCM fault codes. Enlighten us. #ad
 
Hi John,
I use a double pole three position switch that has three modes, Normal-Unlock-Lock-up. I have Torqloc, etc but find that sometime in heavy traffic I don't like the transmission locking and unlocking when pulling a heavy load. To get no-lock you have to open the lock-up switch wire. It would be nice to go from Normal-Lock-up-Unlock, but can't get the right switch. Hope this helps.

98. 5/3500/at/4x4/4. 1/Bd torq converter/bd valve body/VA/etc
 
Hey Guys ,

Be careful not to trade one problem for another one. Keeping the TC clutch unlocked can generate trememdous amounts of heat during heavy traffic. If you find you must use these devices make sure you have a trans temp sensor in the transmission outline and watch your temp. gauge.

Bill

[This message has been edited by Bill Kondolay (edited 11-13-2000). ]

[This message has been edited by Bill Kondolay (edited 11-13-2000). ]
 
Hello to all!

I agree with Bill, Temp gauge is critical to your Dodge transmission. I was not aware how much the temp goes up without the gauge. On stock truck, the first indication is the check temp light and then I think it is too late, the fluid is cooked. Additionally, I think it is important to keep the transmission in the right gear, heavy pull start in low, once you are moving but in a hard pull keep it in second, etc. This helps keep the temp down. Watch your gauges!!!!
Question for Bill. I have the BD TC and VB that I installed while you were developing your TC and VB. I like the second gear lock-up that you have added. There are times here in NC on these winding mountain roads, second gear is as fast as I want to go pulling my 12k 5th wheel. Is it possible to add the second gear lock-up to the BD setup???? Your help and advise will be appreciated.

Thanks
Davem




[This message has been edited by Dave McGalliard (edited 11-13-2000). ]
 
If you have a Torqloc it has a device built into it that prevents a code being set. To put an unlock switch in cut the wire going from the Torqloc [blue wire] to the trans & run it thru a on/off switch. As for transmission temps, keep an eye on things & make sure your sending unit is located in the converter out line [front one] In heavy stop & go traffic chances are you may not get going fast enough to have lock up occur, if that is the case putting the trans into neutral while stopped will help.
 
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