B1 Turbo vs Pier's HX40

[COBRAJET]

How about some pros and cons on these two turbos from the HIGH HP crowd. I plan on one or the other as soon as the new truck gets here. The truck will run BD 6 injectors, a TTPM, and the TST 9 level Powermax. Any reason to run a different intake?? Any other suggestions??... CJ

 

[Jetpilot]

I would track down either banshee or John P. Both are members on this site and both have run the two turbo's you are inquiring about.



Doug

 

[jwilliams3]

Both are good turbos and are necessary in my opinion.



I think you can mix and match turbine housings with both to get what is best for your spooling and EGT needs.



Both also have a loyal following on this site for users 400hp and above.

I have had the chance to ride with Banshee and Aotte in their trucks equipped with the PDRHX40 and I was impressed with its spooling and egt levels, they also sound pretty cool!



--Justin

 

[drawson]

COBRAJET, man it's been a while... .



The Piers Super HX-40 is a great turbo, spools really fast and has been bullet proof so far.



The B1 has a great waste gate set up, but the ones I have seen, installed, and rode in don't spool as fast and have had that great waste gate set up pinned closed.



Both are great turbos but I think the untimate set up would be twins... .

 

[banshee]

CJ,



Both my dad and I have run both turbos and our trucks and after trying them both... we're running the PDR 40s. Mine's set up a lot like yours will be (TST PM3, DDTM, and Supermentals) and dad's truck runs a custom P7100 built by Scheid Diesel and 370s. We're both in the neighborhood of 450+ hp.



Either of the two turbos will work for that setup, but we were both a lot happier with the drivability and "peppy" nature of the PDR-40. It spools a lot faster than the B1 does and makes the truck much more responsive on the street. To be fair, the B1, being a larger unit, does have more top end punch and will drop the EGTs a little over the 40, but it's not as big of a difference as the low end is. You should know, though, that the B1 is not a magic turbo that will always keep the EGTs 1300 degs and below... I could still hit 1500 and so can a lot of others with it. Although it is probably inherent to its design, the B1 barks a lot when going through the gears, and KS version will skip pretty bad when going over choppy pavement... especially when towing a trailer. To summarize the best turbo (in my opinion) in various categories:



Spoolup/Bottom End: PDR-40 (by a long shot)

Top End/Midrange: B1

Reliability: B1 (by a close call)

Cost: PDR-40

Smoke: PDR-40 (that's less smoke )

Max EGTs: B1

Cruising EGTs: PDR-40

Cooldown time: PDR-40 (by a lot)

Sound: PDR-40 (not unlike a Harrier at vertical take off )



I'm sure others will jump in with their opinions, but I think Piers has a winner. IMO it's the best daily driver single turbo there is, and if you're looking to go twins, then I'm sure it'd make one heck of a primary. Let me know if you have any more questions!



John

 

[John_P]

COBRAJET:



Welcome back buddy!! I haven't seen you on this site

for awhile, but then I am not on here as much either!



As the other members already pointed out, my son and

I have run both the B-1 and Piers HX-40/16. I also ran

a "stock" HX-40/16 on my 12 valve and can tell you

there is no comparison between Piers' Modified HX-40

and the "stock" HX-40. Piers' HX-40 does EVERYTHING

twice as good with added reliability!! Between my son

and I our Piers' HX-40 has run on either my truck or his

for about a year now with no problems at all!!



I concur with everything my son has already wrote.

Before running Kurt's "Quickspool or Auto Housing"

B-1, I ran the "regular housing" B-1. As my son said,

the "Auto Housing" has a tendency to "skip" when

towing a trailer over bumpy roads. I called Kurt about

this and he advised me to try changing air boxes to

see if it would help. The "Auto" housing B-1 did it

with every air box I ran! Kurt felt the reason the

KS housing was doing this was because of how

close the have the "map" range of the turbo set.

He may have a "fix" for this by now, so it may no

longer be a problem, but on my truck it is!

With my automatic, I do have more bottom end

"lag" with the B-1 than I ever had with Piers'

HX-40/16, but the midrange and top end are

awesome! I guess it comes down to what you

want from your turbo. Both Kurt and Piers are

great to deal with and both of them believe

in "service after the sale!"



Good luck on your decision and welcome back!



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John_P

 

[Cousin Billy]

PDRHX/40-B1

Johns top end



John said his top end with the B1 was "awesome". Believe me, he ain't kiddin'.



I have'nt ever used a B1, but spool up with a PDR HX/40-16 along with Piers cam and ported head is Too Cool literally.



I considered getting a B1, figuring the spool up would be better than average with the ported head and cam. But, it looks like twins are in the near future.



Hey John



Cousin Billy

 

[J.R. Adkins]

Same old story.....



I had a PDR hx40 and the spoolup was great!



I also have rode in a truck with a B-1 and spoolup was laggy on the bottom. But the mid and top end were better than the 40.



AND GUYS... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... TWINS ARE AWESOME!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!

(just gotta find a way to keep this dang head on)





J. R.

 

[John_P]

Heh Billy!! Thanks for the comments on my truck!

BTW, How is that "rocketship" of yours running??



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John_P

 

[Snow man]

I havent driven a PDR40 yet,but the B1 isnt real laggy in my truck,while it defintely has more lag than an HX35,it isnt bad,maybe my 4. 10's help,i dont know. I know the top end is awesome,with the B1,and drag comp,the truck revs so quick now i have to lower the shift points

 

[Cousin Billy]

"Rocketship"??

Hey again John,



I'm not too sure about the "rocketship", but it does run ok for a 165,000 mile work truck. BTW John, since you rode in my truck, the egt's are lower now , with a 4x8 hole in the cowl and ram air from the front going into a hillbilly made insulated air box. Every little bit helps in our never ending quest for lower egt's.



I always tell people I shoveled money under the hood to get it to run better. Well, I found a quicker and easier way to get results.



Now, I dump money under the hood by the bucket full



Cousin Billy

 

[COBRAJET]

drawson and John,



I still get around over here, although I read more than I post. I moved about 6 months ago and no longer have DSL so this dial up is real annoying. They are promising DSL by years end, if not I am going to play VIA a DISH. I went to the dyno on Saturday and made 400HP/800lbft with a slipping clutch. A new Southbend is in the works to replace the old one. As soon as the PSD arrives I am going to see about making some serious power with the Cummins. I will not care about reliablility anymore... . or busted up stuff. Have either of you tried any type of aftermarket intake?? I am leaning towards the HX 40. I have had one on my truck before and it was horrible, but I wasn't giving the truck enough fuel. Should I go with the 16 or 18cm housing. I will get with Piers on the same issue. Thanks for all the useful info. We never made it to the East coast this year John, we headed to Co. again do to time constraints... BUSY year... CJ

 

[J@NWC]

I haven't run the B-1 but have run stock HX-40 modified 35 and now a PDR modified HX-40 with 18. 5 housing Oo. The spool up is great. From the B-1 owners I know they bark alot, the HX-40 has'nt even whimpered as of yet. What I've seen and heard the to install the B-1 good fabrication skills are required HX-40 install is a no brainer (for most ) Cost goes to the PDR HX-40 also Drivability is as good as the stock turbo. As far as less smoke I don't know I haven't quit adding fuel yet So far the PDR HX-40 is my choice. But twins might be even better and by the time I can afford twins someone will probably have triples or quads:{ this is my opinion not a slam at anyone or thing.

 

[Forrest]

Jason,



Why the 18. 5 version over the 16 version? Have you compared the 2?



EGT is the concern. I'm guessing the SOTN HX40-16 is a lower EGT model than the stock HX40-16 ... drive pressure stuff. W/O knowing, and the fact that I'm pegging EGT, the 18cm may be the way to go.



Anyone compare EGT of the stock HX40-16 to the SOTN version?







thanks

 

[John_P]

CJ:



I forgot to ask you in my earlier post, do you ever miss

that "hot" Ford PSD??? You sure had a good one!!



CJ, you asked about an "aftermarket intake. " I have an

ATS 3-piece manifold on my 96' and really like it alot!!

It has helped cut my EGT's down and seemed to help

my low end acceleration. I had mine coated with "Jet-Hot"

2000 which will prevent rust. The 2000 coating is a nice

light gray color and so far has held up very well on mine!



As far as the size of the Piers' HX-40 exhaust housing, I

would highly recommend the 16cm housing. That is the only

one I have run, but "J. R. Adkins" had the 18 and I don't

believe it was too responsive. I think you would be happier

with the 16. I am sure Piers' can help you out some more

though. He is really a great guy!



CJ, if you ever do get out this way please let me know!!



Take care.



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John_P





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Billy:



Glad to hear you are now getting more "cold air" into

that engine of yours! Not that you need it though.

Your truck doesn't even get hot!!

 

[BPINE]

Wow what a topic, I have run both turbo's and both have there purpose. I ended up buying a PDR HX-40 16 for my trailer pulling needs and it is so far the best I have run. The midrange boost is up about 4+ pounds over any other combo I have tried so far and I think I have tried at least 10 combinations.



The next thing on the list is to find a way to supply enough cool air to the turbo without all the noise of the systems we have to pick from now.



After that twins are on the way.

 

[J@NWC]

Forrest

I ran a 16 on the modified 35 for a long time. It was a little slower spool but needed the egt reduction. Then we put the PDR cam in and it made the 16 spool much quicker. So in the intrest of even more egt loss I decided to try the 18. 5 . Plus with Piers' modifications the PDR 40's spool quicker than stock. So far I likeOo. I might try a 16 at some point but for now this works good . Without the cam I would'nt recomend the 18. 5 though nor would I be running it.

 

[drawson]

Oh come on Jason, You just wanted a bigger turbo than mine

 

[J@NWC]

No I wanted 1 more turbo than youOo. I settled for now just going bigger

 

[BPINE]

Dee we stand no chance now Jason has found the secret spot on the PDR web site that gets you free rights to test all PDR products for free!!!! Come on Jason tell us where it is PLEASE Just a little inside joke we started at the Nor Cal event.