Banks High Ram or ATS

[OT-OF-HERE!!]

My $.02

I have the ATS,. . that's not to say anything about the Banks except I just don't like the way they do business some times. Anyway, ATS has a dyno chart on their web site which demonstrates a hp improvement from flow.



Here is my thought on this issue,... it is much like a venturi on a carb in that when it narrows it speeds the flow of air,... . in this case vs fuel with the carb, and that is caused because after it narrows it then opens into a larger opening. It works on a carb so why not in this case? Additionally a selling point in my case was the predrilled and tapped fittings for NOS &/or Water/meth. It was just a convenience thing and on a personal note I felt the ATS was better looking,... how much hp is the better looking part??



Just some thoughts.

 

[GWBourne]

yeah, i ahve been thinking about running NOS here and there... BUT in the end it would cost me less to buy a new turbo because i could never EVER keep the NOSoff... and that gets expensive FAST!!

 

[AGregersen]

I didnt notice much difference with the ats arcflow,but it looks cool.

 

[swankmetal]

i'll be doing some before/after dyno testing on the 9th of december with an intake that is similar to these. i will post results if anyone is interested.



dave

 

[Matt S]

Here's one I saw on DTR. It looks like it will do the trick. I have no idea how much it costs. http://daveschenker.com/Site/product.html

 

[swankmetal]

that's the one that'll be dyno tested soon. the price will be very competitive as well.



dave

 

[Tomeygun]

How restrictive do you think those bolts are blocking the air flow on those aftermarket units? And did they just create a larger heat sink?

Thats the thoery that the "swanker intake" uses. It does not have those in the air path but does have a smooth flow...

 

[wild4stangs]

I really like the Swanker design intake better than banks or ATS... Simple design. I will reach out to them and get an idea of price and availability...

 

[p-Bar]

Check out the CFM+ manifold @www.cfmplus.com

 

[WUnderwood]

I bought the CFM plus manifold, and it turned out to be made out of high temp plastic, so I sent it back. I think I will try the ATS in the future

 

[p-Bar]

I bought the CFM plus manifold, and it turned out to be made out of high temp plastic, so I sent it back. I think I will try the ATS in the future

Why would you want to use "caveman" technology, all those aluminum intakes are is a larger heat sink with bolts going through the air passage. You would probably be better off painting your stock one red :-laf

 

[staarma]

Actually the ATS doesn't have bolts going through the intake tract. That's one of the reasons I bought it.

 

[WUnderwood]

Why would you want to use "caveman" technology, all those aluminum intakes are is a larger heat sink with bolts going through the air passage. You would probably be better off painting your stock one red :-laf

I was thinking of painting it pink, but...

 

[CFM+ TECH]

I bought the CFM plus manifold, and it turned out to be made out of high temp plastic, so I sent it back. I think I will try the ATS in the future

Guys I would like to help you all understand why we at CFM+ say "The Ultimate Intake Manifold for the Cummins Diesel" and "Highest & Coolest Flow". These two things are not achieved with standard processes, materials or designs.



The CFM+ Manifold flows 15% more air than an ATS on a precision flow bench, 20% more than Banks and 44% more than the stock manifold under the same exact parameters. This is why flow benches are important to understanding apples to apples comparisons of individual components within a complex system and dyno claims of any entire system can be very misleading depending on the original system set-up.



The ATS manifold does have two of the long mounting studs passing thru the air flow and is one of the major reasons for its reduced flow.



The CFM+ manifold is made from advanced high temp. engineering composites that have heat distortion temps (HDT) in the 500 deg F range. These materials also insulate extremely well compared with metallic materials such as aluminum or steel.



The CFM+ manifold was developed using advanced computational fluid dynamic software and is produced on proprietary patented equipment costing millions of dollars to develop utilizing the latest in fully articulated 6 axis robots and tested head to head with the competition.



WUnderwood I hope you would be willing to say we gave you excellent service and refunded your money immediately without question but you didn't even have a chance to try the manifold. Let's see if we can find a way to get you to try it. Would you shoot me an e-mail at: -- email address removed --.



Thank you all for the interest in CFM+.

 

[CBrahs]

I want one!! Need to stud my set up though. I have a 3 inch spacer between the intake and grid heater due to my bodylift. .

 

[BigDan]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with plastic intakes. Heck most all factory intakes are plastic and they even have coolent passages. I'm into LSX (Camaro/Vette engines) and plastic is they way to go on theos engines. The FAST intakes are the ticket and they are ABS.



I'm not familiar w/ the CFM+ products but I'm just saying that you shouldnt discredit their intake because its made of ABS. .

 

[Bodie]

Guys I would like to help you all understand why we at CFM+ say "The Ultimate Intake Manifold for the Cummins Diesel" and "Highest & Coolest Flow". These two things are not achieved with standard processes, materials or designs.



The CFM+ Manifold flows 15% more air than an ATS on a precision flow bench, 20% more than Banks and 44% more than the stock manifold under the same exact parameters. This is why flow benches are important to understanding apples to apples comparisons of individual components within a complex system and dyno claims of any entire system can be very misleading depending on the original system set-up.



The ATS manifold does have two of the long mounting studs passing thru the air flow and is one of the major reasons for its reduced flow.



The CFM+ manifold is made from advanced high temp. engineering composites that have heat distortion temps (HDT) in the 500 deg F range. These materials also insulate extremely well compared with metallic materials such as aluminum or steel.



The CFM+ manifold was developed using advanced computational fluid dynamic software and is produced on proprietary patented equipment costing millions of dollars to develop utilizing the latest in fully articulated 6 axis robots and tested head to head with the competition.



WUnderwood I hope you would be willing to say we gave you excellent service and refunded your money immediately without question but you didn't even have a chance to try the manifold. Let's see if we can find a way to get you to try it. Would you shoot me an e-mail at: -- email address removed --.



Thank you all for the interest in CFM+.

Sounds like some pretty good customer service. :--)



Im sure the intake flows more, but will it make a difference on the dyno? For me that is all that matters, for some it doesnt.



That is where everyones argument lyes. Once I get to 800+hp I will be giving CFM+ a call, untill then for the money I will spend it on big power adders.



Just my 2 pennies.

 

[CFM+ TECH]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with plastic intakes. Heck most all factory intakes are plastic and they even have coolent passages. I'm into LSX (Camaro/Vette engines) and plastic is they way to go on theos engines. The FAST intakes are the ticket and they are ABS.



I'm not familiar w/ the CFM+ products but I'm just saying that you shouldnt discredit their intake because its made of ABS. .

Big Dan:

Don't know what FAST makes their gas engine manifolds out of but for the performance diesel market ABS wouldn't be good. The advanced engineering composite the CFM+ is made out of has much higher temp and strength.

 

[swankmetal]

what's "500 degree range"? i can easily peg my 400* IAT. just wondering what the exact # you've tested to. thanks.



dave

 

[banshee]

400 degrees after the CAC?? That's incredibly hot over there.