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Well, yesterday it happened again. I heard the neighbor's door open, she yelled the dog's name, and the pit bull was charging onto our property towards my dog. I was already on the move with my Chuckit (we were playing again) and got between him and my dog.

I guess the yelling big guy with a stick is enough to scare him back, but he's charged the mother-in-law too and we have a baby on the way and their elderly dog sometimes tied up in the back. We wanted to put a stop to the irresponsible owner that hadn't once apologized for her dog, so the state police and animal control were called again.

I found out today that she was issued 7 citations for her dogs.



2 for her dog out of the yard

3 unlicensed dogs

2 dogs with no rabies shots



I really believe the owner is fully at fault here, as a fence would solve the problem. We'll be the one to put the fence up as their welfare check won't be enough to cover it. The dogs have no training and neither of the women in their house can hold them on a leash. They have no business having 3 Pit Bulls or any other kind of dog.
 
As a quote from the link you just gave, saying:



"In the year 2000, Pit Bulls were involved in 8 fatalities"



As much as I would like to believe this, I cant. Not that I keep track of this but do take note of the fact of attacks on the news. I remember 3 kids being mauled by 4 or 5 "pit bulls" may have been a Rott in with them ( memory fading here) in Pittsburgh 2 years ago. The attack and death of a girl not a few miles from here. That would account for 4 in the last 2 years that I know of.



A fellow worker's son has a "pit bull" that he raised as a puppy. Treated like any other dog he had ever owned. He now has to keep him in a cage ( rather large one ) as he is now "too aggressive".



The point I am trying to make out of all this is, IMO, they cant be trusted. Maybe its the people that own them that are not doing anything right with training. As mush as I want to believe the link you posted, it is also a web site that entertains only the positive aspects of the "breed". The negative aspects are down played as to real world realities.



Personally, I don't care what you have for a dog. You may have anything you desire. I wouldn't own one for the fact that it would never be trusted around other people or other animals.
 
Spooled-up said:
Well, yesterday it happened again. I heard the neighbor's door open, she yelled the dog's name, and the pit bull was charging onto our property towards my dog. I was already on the move with my Chuckit (we were playing again) and got between him and my dog.

I guess the yelling big guy with a stick is enough to scare him back, but he's charged the mother-in-law too and we have a baby on the way and their elderly dog sometimes tied up in the back. We wanted to put a stop to the irresponsible owner that hadn't once apologized for her dog, so the state police and animal control were called again.

I found out today that she was issued 7 citations for her dogs.



2 for her dog out of the yard

3 unlicensed dogs

2 dogs with no rabies shots



I really believe the owner is fully at fault here, as a fence would solve the problem. We'll be the one to put the fence up as their welfare check won't be enough to cover it. The dogs have no training and neither of the women in their house can hold them on a leash. They have no business having 3 Pit Bulls or any other kind of dog.



What are the gun laws where you live? If I were you I would plan accordingly for the next visit from your neighbor's dog.
 
They don't allow discharge of firearms in the township here. The neighbor on the other side carries concealed and one day the dog was in his yard and he flat out told her, "Get that dog out of my yard right now or it will be shot in the next minute".



I don't have my gun with me :(



I guess the girl doesn't know how the 2 died in the kitchen.

Apparently the mom told her they had to be put down and neglected to tell her that they had to be shot to be separated. Those 2 were frequently beaten with a 2x4 to separate them when they were fighting outside. Never witnessed it myself, but the mother-in-law saw it a few times and heard about it more.
 
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I'll stand by my statements about breeding and behavior.



But in the end, go ahead "spin the cylinder" on your pit bull. Its your family, neighbors, and your lawsuit.



I'll stick to breeds that are bred for different behavior and more useful behavior. :)
 
Yes, I do, CF, and its not a mangy killer like the ones your little white picket fence barely keep contained.



How many fatalities have Beagles caused? Labs? Heelers?



What is your main reason for owning a fighting dog??? Does it make you feel tougher?



Or are you a gambler?? :rolleyes:
 
BTW, I don't think they should be banned, and there is no comparison between gunlaws and bad dogs, or any other inantimate object.



However, I would like to see some REAL suggestions on how to help this problem from owners of the BIG BABYS!!!

:-laf
 
I dont remember the Constitution mentioning the right to bear dogs... ..... :-laf



My BIL/SIL have some sort of a pitbull mix. Looks mostly PB. That dog runs that house. The kids (youngest is 21 YO)cant get up fast or the god will bite them.

I cant figure why they havent gotten rid of it. :confused:
 
HEMI®Dart said:
My nephew adopted a pit bull about 2 years old. It took some time before he liked me, but now he's a good dog.



My question:



Sometimes he sounds like he choking or coughing. It lasts about 10 seconds. It happens out of the blue. My old dog I had years ago never did this.



Is this something that happens to just the Pitbull breed?





I resurrected this thread last week because of a question I had. It is above. Does anybody know?
 
Kennel cough

HEMI®Dart said:
I resurrected this thread last week because of a question I had. It is above. Does anybody know?





There is not much you can do for it, my dog had it when we adopted him, he gave ot our other dog. Keep them warm and dry, I used robutussim DM on ours, but I don't know if it does much good, they usually just puke the Robutussim. They finally both quit about the same time.
 
Never owned a Pit but, I used to own two Rotties. I raised my Rotts around my daughter who was 6 at the time when we got them. With that said I never left her alone with them and was always with her in the back yard. Both dogs were great with her, never tried anything, in fact she could do just about anything she wanted to them. Now if you stepped into the yard and tried to grab her look out, they got a little upset. They would growl enough just to let you know to stop doing what you were doing, was actually kinda funny. That was their warning and when you left her alone it was back to the tennis balls and playing. I am a firm believer in raising a dog properly as well as training them properly. With that said I do agree with what has been stated in previous post about these breeds being loaded guns. You may get a great dog or an accident waiting to happen.



Wondering if anyone here has seen what is called Caucasion Mountain Dogs. These dogs when standing on their hind legs are 6ft tall and weigh as much as 200lbs and up. They say they are or can be just as aggressive as pitts.
 
Sled Puller said:
How many fatalities have Beagles caused? Labs? Heelers?



What is your main reason for owning a fighting dog??? Does it make you feel tougher?



Or are you a gambler?? :rolleyes:





2, 5, and 2, respectively.



Don't own one so can't answer the others...



Chris
 
GIT-R-DONE said:
As mush as I want to believe the link you posted, it is also a web site that entertains only the positive aspects of the "breed". The negative aspects are down played as to real world realities.



Of course it will highlight the positives of the breed, but it does at least back them up with facts. It gave the name of the book it got the numbers from at the bottom I think. The point is that the media highlights nothing but the negatives of the breed, and when it does so, it doesn't highlight facts. Reporters are free to exaggerate - i. e. what looks like a lab might be called a pit bull mix, etc. Even if AC then identifies the dog as a lab mix later than night, do you think the station will come on the following night and make a correction? Nope, they got their audience, and that's all they needed. To make an informed decision, we need all the information - not just a single biased source.



Chris
 
Ol'TrailDog said:
I'll stick to breeds that are bred for different behavior and more useful behavior. :)



Unfortunately, 99% of the public doesn't buy for behavior anymore. If you go to the pet store or the newspaper classifieds and buy a Golden Retriever, chances are 10,000:1 or more that it came from a puppy mill in which females are mated every heat to whatever male is available, regardless of conformation or personality. Dogs are bred based on maximum number of puppies in minimum amount of time, not for behavior or temperament.



What this means is that any powerful dog with a stable temperament (pits, Rotts, GSD's, Dobe's, GD's, Mastiffs, etc. ) is sliding down a slippery slope fast. Without breeding for temperament, all we'll end up with is a bunch of nervy, hyper dogs with the capability of killing a person. This is why our shelters are so full today :(.



Next time anyone goes to buy a dog, do yourself a favor and go to a reputable breeder. It's usually not any more expensive, and you'll find much better dogs.



Chris
 
SHobbs said:
Wondering if anyone here has seen what is called Caucasion Mountain Dogs. These dogs when standing on their hind legs are 6ft tall and weigh as much as 200lbs and up. They say they are or can be just as aggressive as pitts.



CAO's/CMD's are no more aggressive, on average, than Rotts. In fact, since they're mostly still being bred for performance rather than puppymilling, you'll be far more likely to end up with a stable dog by buying a CAO than a Rott, nowadays. It is a flock guardian breed and is protective of its property and family - people need to understand that and be confident in their ability to handle such a dog before buying one, or it will only lead to more accidents...



Chris
 
Little interesting info for you straight from the U. S. government:



Between 1979 and 1998:



Pit-bull type dogs (APBT's, AST's, SBT's, AB's, OEB's, BT's, MBT's, BT's, Dogos, etc) and crossbreeds were responsible for 76 human deaths in the U. S.



Nordic-type dogs (Huskies, Malamutes, Akitas, Wolf Hybrids, Chows, sled dogs) and crossbreeds were responsible for 68 human deaths in the U. S.



Chris
 
OK a few stats..

In the last several years a surfeit of statistical informaton about dog bites have been generated by epidemiologists. This information has become widely disseminated on the internet, partially in an attempt to lessen the extent of the problem through education and increased public awareness about the circumstances and the kind of dogs known to be associated with attacks on people. Collecting dog bite statistics is certainly an important and valid area of public health inquiry: the frequency of dog bites is high and the emotional and physical damage inflicted onto a human, particularly a child, from an attack by a dog can be great. A better understanding of the epidemiology of dog bites thru description with statistics may help in the prevention of this widespread phenomenon.



The information presented below has been gathered from numerous sources, many of which include news reports on the internet. The reader should assumed the information below is accurate, although no validation has been made by this author.





Facts & Stats about Dog Bites & Dog Aggression

There are approximately 4. 5 million reported dog bites annually in the United States (nearly 2% of the American population). The majority of dog bites are never reported to local authorities.



40% of American dog owners acquired pets primarily for protection-including German shepherds, Rottweilers, mastiffs and Doberman pinschers. (Source: New York Times, 2/26/01)



Nationwide, U. S. Postal Service carriers suffered 3,423 dog attacks and bites in 2003.





According to the American Medical Association, dog bites are the second leading cause of childhood injury, surpassing playground accidents.



Dog bites to people of the male gender are approximately two times greater than the incidence involving females.





Dogs that are licensed with an identifiable owner are implicated in the vast majority of dog bites (compared with strays).





Dogs not known to the victim account for approximately 10 - 20% of all reported dog bites.





Dog between one and five years are involved in more dog bite incidences than dogs older than 6 years. Male dogs are more frequently involved when compared with female dogs.



Mixed breeds and not pure bred dogs are the type of dog most often involved in inflicting bites to people. The pure-bred dogs most often involved are German shepherds and Chow chows.







The list of breeds most involved in both bite injuries and fatalities changes from year to year and from one area of the country to another, depending on the popularity of the breed.







The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention document that a chained dog is 2. 8 times more likely to bite than an unchained dog. Click here for a news story about a mauling of a 4 year old child by a chained pit bull







Canines not spayed or neutered are three times more likely to bite than sterilized ones.







Of the estimated 4. 7 million people who were bitten by dogs in 1994, 800,000 sought medical care. Of these, 332,000 needed treatment in emergency rooms, and 6,000 were hospitalized. The average hospital stay for a dog-bite injury was 3. 6 days.





Emergency room costs for dog bite victims in the United States was about $102 million in 1994, and overall direct medical costs was about $165 million.





The majority of dog bites to adult humans are inflicted to the lower extremities followed by bites to the upper extremities including the head, face and neck. For children, 77% of dog bite injuries are to facial areas.



According to the Insurance Information Institute, dog bites accounted for about one-quarter of all claims on homeowner's insurance, costing more than $321 million in 2003. In 2002, the latest year for which numbers are available, the average claim for a dog bite was $16,600.



Dog attacks account for one-third of all liability claims on homeowners' insurance policies. According to the Western Insurance Information Service, the insurance industry paid out more than $1 billion in dog-bite claims in 1998 alone.







From 1979 to 1996, dog attacks resulted in more than 300 human dog bite related deaths in the United States. Most of the victims were children.







Approximately 20 people die every year as a result of a dog attack in the United States. By far, the majority of the victims are children.







In the two year period from 1997 to 1998, twenty-seven people died as a result of dog bite attacks (18 in 1997, and 9 in 1998).







Annually in the United States there are approximately 20 human fatalities directly resulting from a dog attack; this number is miniscule compared with human fatalities caused by gunshot (approximately 12,000 annually), accidents (approximately 100,000 annually) or health related disease processes (click here for table) (Click here for commentary on this subject)





The breeds most often involved in fatal attacks are Rottweilers and Pit bulls.







In the United States, pit bulls make up one to three per cent of the overall dog population and cause more than 50 per cent of serious attacks.





Of the 27 people who died as a result of dog bite attacks in 1997 and 1998, 67% involved unrestrained dogs on the owner's property; 19% involved unrestrained dogs off the owner's property; 11% involved restrained dogs on the owner's property; and 4% involved a restrained dog off the owner's property.





Of the 27 people who died as a result of dog bite attacks during 1997 and 1998, 67% involved an attack by one dog; 19% involved an attack by two dogs; and 15% involved an attack by 3 or more dogs.





From 1979 to 1998, at least 25 breeds of dogs have been involved in bite related deaths. Pit Bulls and Rottweilers were involved in more than 50 percent of these incidences.







In a study reported by a retired professor from California State University at Chino, Robert Plum, it was found that one dog in 55 will bite someone seriously during the course of a year. With respect to breed differences in the tendency to inflict serious injury, Plumb estimates that when a pit bull bites a human, one in 16 (e. g. 1/16) will inflict serious injury; this contrasts with a ratio of 1/296 Dobermans, and 1/156 German shepherds.







Dog Bite Statistics from: Texas, 1997, 1998; Australia (pdf file);



The Netherlands (pdf file), New Zealand, State of Nevada (USA) (pdf file)
 
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