Bell turbos, anyone have one???

[JCleary]

I was talking to a local diesel shop yesterday, and they recommend I go with a Bell USB or WSB turbo. The owner has a 600+hp 24 valve with the bigger (WSB, I think) but I'm wondering about performance on a third gen. He says it spools much faster than a Sledpuller 66 or Phat Shaft 66. I don't want to buy turbos twice, so I want to get the right one off the bat. I did a search on the third gen forum and came up with nothing...

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 66

They can say what they want about spool up but everyone that has purchased a Phat Shaft Super 66 has had great success. With spooling that is VERY fast, the statment that it spools faster is an overstatment and he may not have seen or driven a truck with a Phat Shaft Turbo. Call us 1-800-955-0476

 

[mattymac]

I will agree with Brett. My SPS 66 spools up like the stocker with the TST set on about 4/4. But even stock I can get 36-37 lbs with a full flow through wastegate elbow. I think there was a post a long time ago that a guy dynoed with a Bell charger (not sure though) and said it did good for HP numbers but it was terrible to drive because it was so laggy.

 

[JCleary]

I've heard so much good feedback on this site about the SPS66, and also positive comments about the Sledpuller, I'm pretty much convinced that I want the II turbo.



The guys I've talked to locally all try to push another brand, rather than selling and installing the II turbo. Maybe they get better volume deals from their normal vendors. If that's the case, maybe I'll "provide" the turbo for them to install with the rest of the mods I'm having done...

 

[lmills]

Some vendors get sold on a particular brand or product and tend to push it more than any other. Some dealer are just biased. They are usually opinionated and want to sell one product. I have no problem with that to an extent. However when they get to the point that they do not want to sell you a product because they are narrowminded, that is when it becomes a problem.

 

[Tomeygun]

They can say what they want about spool up but everyone that has purchased a Phat Shaft Super 66 has had great success. With spooling that is VERY fast, the statment that it spools faster is an overstatment and he may not have seen or driven a truck with a Phat Shaft Turbo. Call us 1-800-955-0476

Question for ya Brett...

So lets say you are in top gear with a stick - you let it slow down to 1000 rpms, then you floor-board it, When does the SPS66 start to light?



And when I say "light", I mean what RPM does the turbo hit 20 lbs (certainly on its way to 45lb )



I just hate that we still have no concrete proof as to how your SPS compares to the Sledpuller66 -- and thats something very important, Seeing as as so far we have heard that its great/Fast/amazing, and saw a 688hp dyno sheet with a 20% correction factor... . But no concrete comparison



So, Brett - Have you had any customers buy a SPS66 that already had a SP66?? - That would be a good person to talk to

 

[Morse]

With a 20 percent correction factor, my sledpuller 66 made over 740 RWHP. . Or, just 617 with a zero correction factor. . =)

 

[Tomeygun]

With a 20 percent correction factor, my sledpuller 66 made over 740 RWHP. . Or, just 617 with a zero correction factor. . =)

BTW - I did not mean that posting of the C/F as a flame, Just posting facts...



At least I could come to where you dyno and make like 595hp - woo-hoo!!

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 66

Tommygun our trucks run great. I will do this next time we dyno our trucks, we will insist on a 1. 0 crrection factor so that everyone knows what that number will be. Because of the work we have done on the exhaust side, the turbine speed is faster and spools faster. Also the exhaust back pressure is very low because of a reconfiguration that we have made with the exhaust housing and turbine wheel. Believe me we have tried your configuation on our trucks and we know from our testing that a super 66 is better. If you would like to try a super 66 we could upgrade your turbo for you and then you could see for your self. As for being in a horse power contest with our customers we treat our trucks as test vehicles and have not used nitrous or propane and have not even got as aggressive as we could with horse power on #2 diesel. If we need to go up to prove more than we have done, then by all means we can. We have a lot of interest from customers in using our super 66 in a twin set up. Negotiations are going forward and may happen soon. That will be interesting! PS We make and sell a lot of high performance products. Our products can be found in some of the fastest/powerful trucks. We respect everyones products and work. If there is any thing we can do to help anyone we will do it. By the way we do have turbos that we can ship. Thanks www.industrialinjection.com

 

[Tomeygun]

Tommygun our trucks run great. I will do this next time we dyno our trucks, we will insist on a 1. 0 crrection factor so that everyone knows what that number will be. Because of the work we have done on the exhaust side, the turbine speed is faster and spools faster. Also the exhaust back pressure is very low because of a reconfiguration that we have made with the exhaust housing and turbine wheel. Believe me we have tried your configuation on our trucks and we know from our testing that a super 66 is better. If you would like to try a super 66 we could upgrade your turbo for you and then you could see for your self. As for being in a horse power contest with our customers we treat our trucks as test vehicles and have not used nitrous or propane and have not even got as aggressive as we could with horse power on #2 diesel. If we need to go up to prove more than we have done, then by all means we can. We have a lot of interest from customers in using our super 66 in a twin set up. Negotiations are going forward and may happen soon. That will be interesting! PS We make and sell a lot of high performance products. Our products can be found in some of the fastest/powerful trucks. We respect everyones products and work. If there is any thing we can do to help anyone we will do it. By the way we do have turbos that we can ship. Thanks www.industrialinjection.com

I hear ya, That would be awesome if you could do that next time you at the dyno (use a 1. 0C/F)



BTW - Did mark ever get the SPS66 on his 04. 5 model of his? I remember he had one to test, But I have not heard is he ever got it on... When he does I am taking a day off and driving to his shop so we can test my SP66 at the same time-same dyno, Cause if he says it rocks, then I might take you up on trying one. till then... .....

 

[Jim Fulmer]

The problem with a 1. 0 correction factor is that you are in Salt Lake and another guy might be in Seattle, Dallas or Florida... ... . the donuts in the air are not the same so that wouldn't be a good test, now put both trucks in the same place..... there is a different story, BOTW when I did 750 on #2 with your EDM's last fall it was a 1. 01 correction in Dallas TX at 500 ft elevation.



Jim

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Phat Shaft 66

Here is the rest of your answer. BRADY'S 04. 5 tested spooling to your spec. At 1750rpm 20psi at 1825-1850 45psi, 1900-1950 50psi which is were the wastegate is set to open. This is with the TST on 9 and in sixth gear. In lower gears the gauge moves too fast to measure. Brady's truck does not have injectors etc. Brett's truck spools quicker (more low end fuel) Thanks

 

[BradyWilliams]

Re: Dyno Runs

Jim yes I know and understand what your saying. I'm just trying to help some people here see some type of corelation to what there used to at there elevation. Dynos any where they are set or calibrated to test horse power, are set to compensate for elevation and mechanical diversity. When the factory people do the testing, the end result is an accurate dyno at that elevation. ONLY when a dyno is purchased from one elevation and is shipped to another elevation and then not calibrated is the number in question. Thanks

 

[Tomeygun]

The problem with a 1. 0 correction factor is that you are in Salt Lake and another guy might be in Seattle, Dallas or Florida... ... . the donuts in the air are not the same so that wouldn't be a good test, now put both trucks in the same place..... there is a different story, BOTW when I did 750 on #2 with your EDM's last fall it was a 1. 01 correction in Dallas TX at 500 ft elevation.



Jim

Dang, I feel for you guys at high (4500) altitude... You have to run around with 20% less power then if you were near me, or in dallas, etc



yuck!



ohh, and BTW - Jim, so would you dyno the same or higher at the same dyno that Brett used (Dr. Gas)? - In theory, the same right? cause the C/F equals the HP lost to thin air?

 

[BradyWilliams]

RE: Dynos

Hey we have worked with and around dynos for years. I insisted to talk to Dyno jet before we ran any trucks on that dyno. The factory person that I talked to assured me that the dyno was accurate and the correction factor did represent what that dyno needed to be accurate. (I knew these questions would follow) I didn't check the calibration on their dyno my self. Sooo all I can do is ask someone that would know. Factory should do. One thing I can say is, we ran there exclusivley no one else ran that day. We had a lot of time to make sure that we got it right. There wasn't a two runs and off deal. Thanks and by the way we would like to see you all out here at the Edge drag races and dyno day in August. We could invite Dr. gas to bring over their dyno to our facility in Salt Lake. Email us if interested -- email address removed --

 

[Devan Manis]

Thanks and by the way we would like to see you all out here at the Edge drag races and dyno day in August.

The edge drags are in september.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

ohh, and BTW - Jim, so would you dyno the same or higher at the same dyno that Brett used (Dr. Gas)? - In theory, the same right? cause the C/F equals the HP lost to thin air?



I'm not sure about that dyno but if it were a 248 then the numbers are real close, a load dyno they will be lower as told by some, I did dyno at Piers's in Sept 03' at 706hp then drove home to OKC and did 708/709 back to back and the dyno jet numbers from here at 1200 ft to Dallas 500-600 are close enough but at 4500 they are going to drop. I don't a see a 20% correction happening but I did see(on paper) a 16% at Denver... ... . probably the worse place to dyno there is.



Brett, those spool up numbers would be flat scary in my truck with my B/B pushing it



Jim

 

[Morse]

Brett, there's no doubt your turbo is a good product from the response others have had. . I know your turbos have to be produced with not only performance in mind, but also longevity. . My sp66 isn't stock, and it was given lots of fuel. .

 

[Diesel Nut]

Heres a question I haven't seen asked yet - What about low end surge? if I am towing a trailer down the road at 1600 rpms is it gonna be in its happy place or is it gonna be rude? By BD has beed so well mannered and would want something close to that, but I think I will be needing more air. Is the SP66 really peaky, or is it really smooth? what kind of price? Thanks

Jason

 

[Tomeygun]

Heres a question I haven't seen asked yet - What about low end surge? if I am towing a trailer down the road at 1600 rpms is it gonna be in its happy place or is it gonna be rude? By BD has beed so well mannered and would want something close to that, but I think I will be needing more air. Is the SP66 really peaky, or is it really smooth? what kind of price? Thanks

Jason

One things for sure...



These names are too close, So lets clear it up



Industrial Injection Super Phat Shaft 66 === IISPS66

High Tech Turbo Sledpuller66 == HTTSP66



the "S"'s and "P"'s are killing me to figure which one we're discussing - Diesel Nut, Did you mean the HTTSP66 or the IISPS66?