BG 220HR is dead

[csutton7]

yep you read it right #ad
she's kaput--don't make no rhyme or reason #ad
I do have a top secret filter, but it's after the regulator and when I put it in I didn't have to adjust the pressure, but that may be cuz it's a 2 micron filter---anyway--she's fried and there's only a few things it can be:
1) it can't handle diesel---
2) you need a -10 supply---
3) you need a bottom feed out of the tank so it's under constant pressure
4) it's mounted to far from the pick up(50" counting hose and sending unit depth)
5) it ain't made for street use as advertised
6) regulator supplied isn't up to par for the pump
7) i got pos pump

so guys I'd hold off on buying this pump---

I put the Holley 815 on and with my power upgrades and running it through the regulator it is definitely not the pump to get either--

We know the Mallory has lasted for a year or more so this may be my next pump--the Summit is still to new to get a reading on as is the Carter---good luck--and I'll keep ya posted if something comes up----chris



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chris sutton
1999 2500 24v qcab longbed 4x4 red sport w/ all the options 'cept plow pkg, 4:10 detroit locker in rear & front ARB,
5" skyjacker lift w/ 35" BFG MT's on 16. 5x9. 75 Weld rims, black smittybilt step bars, black 3 pc. bug persuader,
black lumber rack, camel leather int. w/ mb quartz spkrs and JL Audio twin 10"sub stealth box under rear seat , PE EZ, DTT vb & tc, mag hy-tec transmission pan,
red magview diff covers front & back, SPA pyro/boost&fuel pres/oil temp on "A" pillar,psychotty,BG lift pump,-08 fuel lines to filter/-06 filter to pump,separate return line, JRE 1/2" fuel pickup, DDIII's, Jardine 4" exhaust,ATS manifold, hot,hot Power Edge & red L&L ladder bars, red valve cover--the above is a big fat lie I really own a totally stock RAM

 

[Bigsaint]

Chris, sorry to hear for your loss. My Mallory is now putting out a rock solid 12psi's at idle and no lower than 7 psi's at WOT, with my mods. According to HVAC, you can adjust the Mallory up to 15 psi's at idle. I bumped mine up just a little, I was seeing 10-11 psi's at idle and 5 psi's at WOT. , don't see a need to go further for right now and all my lines, banjos are still stock. Your head and shoulders above me in this race, so I don't know if this will help, hope it does.

Scott W.

 

[Brandon]

chris maybe sat come down and I can get you BOMBED after all this its just outta our reach waiting to hear from afi on the xfiles fuel filter, soooo anyway next time I see ya i'll buy ya a beer, its the least i can do, uncle hvac still just one step ahead of the game, he is just sitting back watching the sun go down on the beach and letting us beat our brains out
Whoo Whoo wait a minute, last report hvac has defected to the land of molson, he is having the crazy cannucks put an AUTO in ... ... ..... stay tuned

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Danelle's Dodge

 

[Blkdawdg]

Mine's still running great. Maybe you just went through too much trouble with the different pickups and everything (joking).

That sucks that yours went out and let me know what you decide to put in later.

 

[americana]

chris, i just read your sig. are you knuckling under to the dodge boys warranty pressure like i knuckled under to big brother and registered my car-15?

 

[Mopar-muscle]

chris , the carter is not a good option as of yet , though mine is doing fine , i hear of a failure on the carter also . hate to say it but not surprised that the BG crapped out after the convo i had with them .

it is thought that the summit pump is made by mallory , very similar in design , to similar .

i hate to say this ( as its going to cause me some grief) but i see one common part in the lift pump failures i have heard of as of late , it seemsto have to do with the volume of fuel being drawn ????the line size the people in question have is 1/2" ,the area of this line is 3 times the size of the stock factory line . the stock lift pump failures being caused by pump placement from the factory ???

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[csutton7]

MM--yea--it seems the tech guy you talked to @ BG was right on--but I wonder what has happened to Chad Sheets and his pump with the stock line setup--he's been quiet about this--I wonder why???

The BG pump said it requires a -10 supply, outlet and return off the regulator, eventhough the regulator is 3/8" pipe or -8(I don't quite remember, but I do know I didn't have to adapt down to -8 like I did for the pump)---I'm puzzled why it didn't last longer as I set it up to return fuel to help keep itself cool---oh well--that's R&D---

you're absolutley right about the stock pump placement being the problem for 90-95% of the guys--but with us higher HP guys I think larger lines are a great benefit with a better pump--just which pump is the question---Mallory or Summit or ?????---Onward with the R&D --

Americana--well I don't know what ya mean #ad
--my truck body is stock and so are a lot of other things-I just felt left out with no sig upgrades so I made them up--he,he,he-----chris

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[Blkdawdg]

csutton7, have you tried to send the pump back to BG so that they can tell you what happened to it? If you don't want to, then I'll buy it from you so that I can have a backup, and then I'll send it in to get repaired.

 

[Mopar-muscle]

blkdemon , that is an excellent idea ... chris call BG and talk to them about returning it for a failure analysis ??? maybe they will charge you but include a repair ... blkdemon i'm sure will take care of that part ...

this is the reason i am thinking of keeping the stock line and pump as a back up ... hate to be in the middle of no where with a broken ram

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[Arcticat]

MM, what makes you say that the Carter is not a good option? Did scott's crap out? I was actually thinking that the Carter would turn ou to be the way to go for most people durability wise, being that it was very similar to the stocker, which I have confidence would go for the long haul if it was closer to the tank. Also who told you that the Summit is made by Mallory? I would be suprised if that was the case just because the summit 110gph is $100 vs the Mallory 110gph is $230.

Chris, in the meantime why don't you give the Summit a try? It's only a hundred bucks and you don't need a regulator for it. In all honesty, I have yet to see another pump do as good with pressure drop as the Summit. It only drops 2psi from idle to WOT 43psi of boost. I have to chime in with Mopar that I was wary of this happening. I didn't actually talk to BG, but Summit tech support cautioned me against purchasing the BG because in their words it is meant for BUILT strip racing cars only IE not continuous duty. They suggested their own pump and claimed it would hold up to continuous duty. Only time will tell - I have about 1500 miles on it now and I'll be traveling another 1500 or so in the next week. I also would like to know about Chad's results so far, he hasn't been hanging around the boards of late it seems. Hopefully he'll chime in. Good luck on the research, nomatter what direction it takes you in!

 

[Blkdawdg]

I've got roughly 3500 miles on my BG and it still works great. I only have a 1psi drop @ WOT with the blue box on 40%. Only time will tell if the BG can stand up. I think that the summit might be the next trial if this one doesn't work out, and Chris won't sell me his broken one.

 

[csutton7]

I haven't decided what to do yet--send it back for analysis--repair it myself--or let you, Blkdemon, take it, so I'll let everyone know maybe later tonight--got to call JEGS and see what the protocol is for return/repair--

Articat--thanks for the info as I never did research the Summit--

I will say that I think the Holley 815 works a lot better relocated back by the tank vs. stock location--I might bypass the regulator and see what happens to the pressure as 11-12psi is max at idle right now thru the regulator, but she'll goes south in a hurry with the PE on @ WOT, but drops to 7psi with it off, where as before, if I remember correctly she dropped to 3 psi @ WOT with just the EZ upgrade---chris

 

[Mopar-muscle]

chris , ditch the regulator .

cat , scott has had 2 loose its pressure but not completely die in the stock location with a bigger pickup , just heard of someone with a bigger pickup line and it mounted to the rear that cooked it the other day , mine is still working great .

oh i put in the 93% TC last nite ..... WWWWWWEEEEEEEEE

 

[Blkdawdg]

I have been running my BG without the regulator since I got it installed but the other day I started to get worried so I put the regulator in and changed all of the lines to 3/8". Now I can't get the pressure over 7 psi and it's beginning to worry me a little. I'm wondering if I should remove the regulator again. Maybe that's the reason that my BG hasn't died yet. Doesn't the gear pump have a regulator so that the injector pump never sees more than 14 psi anyways? I know that I was running 16 psi without the regulator and I had zero pressure drop @ WOT.

 

[csutton7]

Blkdemon--Brandon will update as he has talked with some BG guru about our setup and it's totally wrong or any way my setup was--regulator in the wrong place--pump NEEDS to be gravity fed w/-10 and couple of other things---BRANDON where are ya---as MM said ditch the regulator for now, but even so I'm not to sure how long your pump will last due to the gravity feed issue and no regulator-If I remember right Brandon said we need the regulator with the BG but it needs to be right before the VP or filter installed with a tee and a -10 return--

I came home and disconnected my regulator and am now off on a test drive with the Holley--urr I mean back to work to go pick up some mat'ls--anyway Brandon had told me of MM's & your post and saw that he hasn't had time to post so I'm filling in, but he's got the info--suffice to say TED J. told me how to plumb this thing and it doesn't work--now in his behalf we're cutting edge on this so it was a 50/50 shot, but after what Brandon has found out we need to go back to the drawing board on the plumbing aspect---chris

 

[B. Gill]

chris,i was looking at the picture of the BG and looks like the motor is isolated from the pump section am i right ?
if thats the case then this pump is not designed for prolonged use,most pumps designed for prolonged use have the motor and pump both immersed in fuel that cools and lubricates the brushes and other parts prone to wear,i have taken apart one Bosch that is used on gas cars and it is cylindrical, fuel enters from one side passing thru pump and the motor and coming out from the other side,i have tested it ,it has quite good volume and pressure wise i have not checked but the gas fuel injection systems are rated at around 50 i think,i am thinking of getting one maybe from a junk yard and let it run on my truck as a test,i have personnel knowledge that on gas cars these pumps go for hundreds of thousands miles and diesel is more lubricating than gas so maybe it will run longer in our case. please let me know what you think. just trying to help you as much as i can,it has a very nice hum as compared to the stock pump that sound like there is something broken inside it. thanks
bob

 

[csutton7]

B. Gill--yep--motor is air cooled--i think Brandon has posted his discussion w/ the BG guy and the 220 HR pump is still living after 7 years(plumbed correctly) in the same car this guy said--I think my pupmp burned up because of either or both of these reasons:

no gravity feed &/or where I put the regulator

I'm still wondering what to do as all electric pumps like to be gravity fed so without putting a tank in the bed, we have to tap the stock tank or ???? for these things to really work correctly---plus replumb the regulator & return---chris

 

[Chad Sheets]

Originally posted by csutton7:
MM--yea--it seems the tech guy you talked to @ BG was right on--but I wonder what has happened to Chad Sheets and his pump with the stock line setup--he's been quiet about this--I wonder why???

The BG pump said it requires a -10 supply, outlet and return off the regulator, eventhough the regulator is 3/8" pipe or -8(I don't quite remember, but I do know I didn't have to adapt down to -8 like I did for the pump)---I'm puzzled why it didn't last longer as I set it up to return fuel to help keep itself cool---oh well--that's R&D---

you're absolutley right about the stock pump placement being the problem for 90-95% of the guys--but with us higher HP guys I think larger lines are a great benefit with a better pump--just which pump is the question---Mallory or Summit or ?????---Onward with the R&D --

Americana--well I don't know what ya mean #ad
--my truck body is stock and so are a lot of other things-I just felt left out with no sig upgrades so I made them up--he,he,he-----chris

Howdy kids! You would think I went into the witness protection program. This is my first post in well over 2 months I think. I am in the middle of building a house and aquiring property. If I am not working, I am doing something that pertains to that house or sleeping.

As for my fuel system, all is well. I am still changing fuel filters every oil change (4K), and my BG has yet to let the fuel pressure fall below 10 psi. The only thing I have done to big red is make her bigger. Fitted a set of Goodyear 35" radials under there. All the GM guys hate it that they cant get a set of P235's on without problems and I am running 35's on a stock lift Dodge. Got all the other trucks at work scared after they saw me "smoke" #ad
several "hotrod" trucks and wanna be race cars out on the main road.

Keep up the research and development boys. I dont know when I will be back for some fun, but I bet I wont see any free time until this winter... ... wooohoooo... ... love it #ad



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[csutton7]

Chad---glad to see your back and keep us posted as to how everything holds up--chris