I am not trying to step on anyones toes with this. I knew from looking at the posts on here that I could get an honest answer. I realize alot of time goes into R & D. I also figure that if I can make these plates they are readily availale for people in my area. We dont have any diesel performance shops locally. As far as the stainless idea I will give it a try. I will also try a hardend steel also. I dont want to make anyone on here upset this website has a great deal of info and the last thing I want to do is **** somebody off that could help me out later. I will also contact Piers for a dealer account to set up so I can supply my customers with the great products you all rave about. Again I apologize to anyone I upset.