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ok , i'll post the pics tomorrow , but i installed my BOMBed banjo bolts today , they did make a difference . note that the filter in my housing during this test needs to be replaced , but it did let the pressure come up to 13psi when i clicked the key and let the pump run for 25 secs .

i put on my pressure gauge ( factory spx miller gauge , made by ashcroft , has pressure and vacuum scale) and went out , with 275's and VA i saw 11 psi at idle , dropped down to almost nothing when i would punch it and it came down fairly quick . cruising on the interstate at 70 - 75 mph it was rock solid at 6 psi , if i hit it, it would drop down to nothing . turned on the power edge and forget it , dropped down to nothing in a hurry did this in level 2 and hot 3, didn't pay attention while just cruising with the edge on , but i think it was still around 5 psi at a steady pace .

i did have a BOMBed banjo bolt at the injection pump while i was doing the above test as it was the easiest to get to .

i replaced all the rest of the banjo bolts with my modified versions and went for a ride , idle psi was still 11 psi , i had removed the VA , cruise was 8-9 psi ( it was dark and used interior light to see it while driving ) if i floored it it would drop to 5 psi , no lower .

i drove like this for about 5 miles , pulled over and put on the VA . idle was 11 psi , cruise was 8 psi and when i floored it it would not fall below 5 psi .

i turned on the PE and it dropped to close to nothing , but not as low as before and went down slower , i will test this again in the morning on the way into work .

results show a 2 to 3 psi increase at cruise and it would not fall to zero at WOT and i was doing well OVER the posted speed limit #ad
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this is probably one of the best things a KISS believer can do , will it help with the lift pump problem ? i doubt it , but it will make sure you have plenty of fuel to the injection pump no matter how you load the engine .

i'll post pics of my moded bolts tomorrow , i have posted the sizes of both stock and my mods but will repost them with the pics .

next will be adding a lower pressure pump to feed the stock lift pump , still using the factory supplied lines , i may even do a test of just moving the stock pump with its wiring and banjo bolts to see what effect it has .
 
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Right on Mopar however, I went a different route... I eliminated the banjo bolts altogether. Instead, I used Aeroquip AQP -06 AN hose and fittings from the supply line on the frame rail to the injection pump inlet... . for now. . heh,heh,heh. Next projected upgrade will rectify the remainder of the lacking fuel system. #ad
 
How many banjo bolts are there in the system? I haven't crawled around under the hood to look. What did the Aeroquip upgrade cost? Do regular parts stores (NAPA, etc. ) have the Aeroquip line?

Thanks!

Ray

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john , i'm doing a litttle experiment to see what the stock lines are capable of as it has been told to some that they need to upgrade their pickup with 275's and a VA or EZ , i just saw last nite and this am that the stock lines and banjo are more than capable of handling this upgrade with a little masaging , the cost FREE , just your time with a few drill bits and a file .

ray , there are 5 banjo bolts , the areoquip swap is expensive , i bought a pump which was 70 bucks and fittings and the total was $190 bucks , not all the fittings or any steel braided line . i saw on brandons site that you will spend about $200 just to replace the 2 upper lines and remove the stock banjos this stuff is not cheap , i am going to use steel line whereevr i can and minimize the amount of steel braided , i'm going for a stock looking system .

the problem you still have is the location of the lift pump by the factory , that is my next test , adding a pump to feed the stock pump , i will also bypass the stock pump and feed the system with a pump at the tank , , still using the stock pickup .
 
MM, will the pump close to tank feeding the stock pump have its own independent return line to the tank ? or will both pumps be sharing the return line which i think if the feed pump has more pressure than the stock will put stress on the stock pump ?
thanks
bob
 
I drilled out my banjo bolts when I had my lift pump replaced the last time (with the latest rev stock lift pump). I've had this lift pump on the truck now for about 14,000 miles and it's still holding up great. With 275 injectors and a Powermax3 (that's spends most of it's time on level 9 #ad
) I see idle of 12-14 psi, 12 psi at steady cruise, and an absolute low of 8 psi (usually never see less than 10) at sustained WOT. My pressures have stayed consistent since the new pump (and removal of my prime-loc) as well whereas my 2nd pump died in less than 5,000 miles. It seems there are some good stock pumps out there, maybe they finally got it right with the latest rev.

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Mopar-muscle,

Are you BOMB'in the MOPAR banjo bolts or are they Aeroquip, Parker etc?

If MOPAR, do you know what the part#'s are. Want to order some spares just in case.

Thanks,

Dave D

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2001. 5 QC, LB, 4x4, Auto, 3. 54, Everything but Leather, Bright Silver Metallic, ARE K Series, Diprocal EGT, Boost and Autometer transmission Temp(sensor in the line) in an Autometer Dash Pod, ,Westin CPS Platinum Step Bars - Black on Stainless
 
b. gill ,the pump i'm going to add close to the tank will be a 7 psi , 110 gph pump carter # P4600HP ,which should be equal to the factory pump in volume , but at a lower pressure . according to the tech line at carter , it will not have any ill effect on the stock pump , if in my testing i see any problem , then i will at that point put in a regulator with a return that will feed back to the tank .

steve thats good info , i think my fuel filter that needs to be replaced is having some effect on what i am seeing for pressures . also the 2000 filter housing may have a built-in restriction as the fuel heater is directly in front of the inlet hole , when the weather warms up i'm going to pull the heater out and see what effect , if any it has .

i'm down loading the pics now of my moded bolts

[This message has been edited by Mopar-muscle (edited 03-16-2001). ]
 
Mopar, I'm Sorry to ask a dumb ?, What Are banjo fittings, and are they necessary to have . Can all of the fittings be eliminated from the fuel lines. To keep the contours neat looking, could a hydraulic company make up a fuel line with crimpped fittings.

Jeff Allan

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Jeff Allan
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2000, 3500,4x4, 355 gears Laramie SLT, BD valve Body, BD Torgue Convertor, BD pressureLoc,#14cm wastgate turbo housing, powermax 3 adjustable, stage 3 injectors, custom dual 3" exhaust with dual 4" barrel tubes behind rear tires. Trailmaster SSV shocks, ISSPRO Turbo boost, EGT gauges in piler, K&N air filter, bushwacker fender flares, black nerf bars, Let the BOMBing begin
 
MM,
I don't know when we switch back to summer fuel, but you might want to keep that in mind during your experiments. (Just a thought)

I noticed that my truck was not putting out any smoke when I jumped on the throttle, no matter what I did (along with more sluggish than normal). However, after a couple of tanks with an over the counter diesel additive the smoke was back (hotPE on 3 with DD1's).

I have to wonder if the additive was helping the injector pump or the lift pump or cleaning some of the crap out of my fuel filter????

As a footnote, once I replaced the fuel filter the whole truck is back to normal... .

I may do the fuel line upgrades with Articat, but your banjo bolt process is clearly a winner for the moderate bombers...

(back to the snowmobile, later... ) #ad
 
I also changed all my fuel lines to the airoquip/braided hose to get rid of the banjo bolts. But that's because of the heavy BOMBing.
I do still have my original bolts that I drilled out,if someone is interested in an exchange type program with me,just email me.
I can keep a modification program going one set at a time.

-Mike
 
This is really good stuff. I wonder if the so-called engineers at Dodge ever look at this stuff.

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MikeR, you must be reading my mind as i was thinking of offering guys that service to those that think its a bit over their head . the same service on a swap basis and a couple bucks to cover my time #ad
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( would this make me a vendor ??? #ad
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dave d, sorry , don't have the part numbers , but you can bet they won't be cheap , i'm going to find out the price so i can come up with a "core charge" if you will to make sure i get bolts back .

jallen , i thought of that , i am dragging along doing this as there are a bunch of us that are trying to keep the costs down , moderate BOMBing is well within what the stock banjos are capable of flowing and will be very stealth when viewed till a bolt is pulled , this is a good idea even for those that are stock , the 2 psi increase will not hurt at thing , higher hp needs cleaner turns , in the end my bajos will be gone and i will be running -8 lines all the way to the injection pump .

davidvt , i pulled out the fuel heater , arcticat drilled a hole thru his and is getting pressures much higher than i was seeing , he even went backwards and reinstalled the banjos and also saw a 2 psi pressure increase before and after the mods i outlined . he was getting close to 15 psi on his gauge at idle and never went below 7 psi (??) , foot to the floor , 275's and my old HOT HOT PE , (which i need to return back to EDGE someday soon ) #ad


bolts pics are coming , my puter at work is slow and i am trying to enlarge them so as to better see what was done , may need to snap another pic of the moded bolt .
 
MM,

Let me know what you find out regarding price/part number on the banjo fittings. We have a TDR cash account at a local dealer and get 25% off list on most parts and their list prices are set lower than most dealers.

Maybe I can get them cheap enough to offset the shipping charges.

Dave D

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2001. 5 QC, LB, 4x4, Auto, 3. 54, Everything but Leather, Bright Silver Metallic, ARE K Series, Diprocal EGT, Boost and Autometer transmission Temp(sensor in the line) in an Autometer Dash Pod, ,Westin CPS Platinum Step Bars - Black on Stainless
 
MM,

Why are you using a different lower psi carter pump at the tank to feed the stock lift pump. Could a second stock lift pump be added at the tank to feed the same psi and gph to the factory lift pump. Is it not a good idea to match the outputs of both pumps as closely as possible?? Just installed my autometer fuel pressure gauge yesterday and see 12psi at idle and 6psi at WOT. I am still stock and haven't bombed yet but I will be soon. I have all my aeroquip fittings and #6 line ready to go in and feel that when I do start bombing I'm sure to have the same lift pump troubles everyone else has. DTT VB and Convertor go in next weekend. Thanks for everyone's help

Ron

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1998. 5 2500 quad cab long bed 4. 10 LSD automatic, 285/75-16 coopers, add on cab clearance lights, tailgate running lamps soon to be BOMBED
 
rharley , if you check out my other thread i posted on the smaller lift pump . this was what the tech line at carter suggested to do , run a lower pressure, same volume pump . though i'm not sure what the rating of the stock pump is as for GPH , once i get a part number off it i'm going to call carter and see what they say , i may end up putting their 15 psi hp pump in the front in place of the stocker .

thats a good deal dave , i'll be out and about , today , someone found some cracks in a SPAR on our antenna ( 120 ft parabolic dish , el platform is 90 ft off the ground )and everything has come to a screeching halt till we do an inspection , so i can go out at lunch and get a filter , finally.
 
Let us know on the banjo bolt swap ASAP. I might be interested. Thanks

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