bosch recomendations for lubricity

[dieselpilot1969]

I've used it before, Like it but 30w oil is alot cheaper @ . 89 for a quart.

 

[Tony T.]

I went to Cummins Rocky Mountain today looking for that Premium Plus, but all they had was Lucas Upper Cylinder Lubricant. It says it cleans injectors and conditions the fuel, lubes pumps, injectors and compression rings. It also says it's for gas or diesel. Does anyone know if this stuff is any good or not?

There is a guy at work has been using the Lucas on his 98 CTD 12v pretty much since truck was new. He likes it, and as far as I know has not had any fuel related problems. I believe he has around 80K+ on mileage now.



Tony

 

[amsoilman]

This is what I use. Sixteen ounce bottle treats up to 100 gallons.

 

[RMarkey]

I like most amsoil stuff, even though I run all Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil. Anybody have any input on the amsoil additive? Seems like most everyone likes the Stanadyne stuff with the Power Service stuff being right up there. Anybody used the Delo additive? We use all delo 400 for our road trucks @ work and haven't had any probs so I figured I give it a try when I saw it @ Autozone.



You guys have me sold on additives, now which one/ones to use!

 

[gtobey]

You don't think the Performance Formula has enough lubricity by itself?



-Ryan

Not at the moment to cover the ULSD fuel. Since they are already manufacturing it, and have used it in Texas and California, how can we be 100% sure they won't pipe some of the stuff to other areas if they are short on diesel. Then unbenounced to who fills up with the stuff, they get a tankful of low lubricity fuel. Problems may not occur right then, but later on down the road... and who will admit to it and who will have to fix the problem?



As someone in the posts said earlier, I would rather err on the side of safety than to have to fix something later at my expense.

 

[Tony T.]

Not at the moment to cover the ULSD fuel. Since they are already manufacturing it, and have used it in Texas and California, how can we be 100% sure they won't pipe some of the stuff to other areas if they are short on diesel. Then unbenounced to who fills up with the stuff, they get a tankful of low lubricity fuel. Problems may not occur right then, but later on down the road... and who will admit to it and who will have to fix the problem?



As someone in the posts said earlier, I would rather err on the side of safety than to have to fix something later at my expense.

We are using the ULSD at the work place, but the change for the public access has not yet happened to my knowledge or at least in my area. I just changed out my fuel filter over the weekend and drained the fuel canister, the fuel was the good ole' yellowish color diesel with the greenish tint to it. The ULSD diesel we use at work is clear, looks just like water to me. Been using the ULSD since Sept 04. They did start adding fuel additive to the storage tanks a few months ago since some of our older diesel pick-ups later 90's models and early 2000 models was developing leaks at the lift pumps and the lift pumps had to be replaced because of the location of the leaks. Since they added the additive the problems with the lift pumps has more or less faded away according to our shop mechanics.



Tony

 

[rbattelle]

This all makes me wonder if Stanadyne PF has enough lubricity enhancer to cover us. I'd really rather not have to start buying Lubricity Formula too...



-Ryan

 

[crobertson1]

Ryan,



What about overdosing the Performance Formula? Would that help or not? I wonder how much damage I've done not using any additive for 7500 miles.



Signed,

Paranoid in Colorado

 

[rbattelle]

What about overdosing the Performance Formula? Would that help or not? I wonder how much damage I've done not using any additive for 7500 miles.

Dear Paranoid,



Don't worry about "damage" you've done over the last 7500 miles. I went 40k before deciding to run an additive and I'm not worried at all.



I don't want to overdose the performance formula for fear of varnishing something... that stuff is highly concentrated and is loaded with all sorts of stuff. No telling what overdosing might do over time.



If B20 were available in my area I probably wouldn't run any fuel additive at all.



-Ryan

 

[gtobey]

More info:

Ryan,



What about overdosing the Performance Formula? Would that help or not? I wonder how much damage I've done not using any additive for 7500 miles.



Signed,

Paranoid in Colorado

Don't be paranoid. You won't hurt it by overdosing the fuel with the Performance Formula. VW has done extensive testing on the additive before they recommended it (as have many other OEMs)... read more about it here in a copy of VW Technical Bulletin 00-03. They experienced no problems in a double dose situation, in fact, they recommend it for their diesel vehicles, and below -22degreesF they recommend 12oz per 15 gallons of fuel. I have used it since 1981 in every tank of fuel in every diesel vehicle I have owned and in every diesel vehicle owned by every company I've worked for. In millions of miles on all of the vehicles, I have never had a fuel pump or injector failure. I never mixed it more than 8oz to 30 gallons, and @ -22degreesF my Olds (yes, I had one of those too) started and did not gel up! At that time, I was running a 2 micron fuel filter on my fuel system. If any wax crystals were clinging together, then it would have clogged my filter very quickly. The additive did it's job in keeping the parafin in suspension so that it would pass on through the filter like it was supposed to. I thought it amazing that the engine would start at that temp, much less the fact that it ran around town and down the interstate without losing power or gelling up. On a Chevy 6. 2L my company owned, an '84 K-10 4WD with over 263,000 miles, I took the pump off and tore it down to see if there was anything wrong or might soon be going wrong, and found that there was minimal wear, with no varnishing or deposits! With that many miles on it and not having had the pump off before, I couldn't imagine it would last much longer! Boy was I wrong! We have experienced that here in our fuel injection repair facility over and over again on customer's equipment if they use the Stanadyne additive! The folks at Stanadyne engineer and manufacture diesel fuel injection systems, have done so since Vernon Roosa started Roosa Master fuel systems under the name of HMS, Co. (Hartford Machine Screw Company), and the engineers do know what should and should not go into your fuel to protect the pumps and injectors.



Regarding my choice to add some extra lubricity to my fuel, I am absolutely certain after conversing with the engineers while at their facility in CT, that Stanadyne has put in the correct amount of lubrication in the Performance Formula for diesel fuels that are supplied today. But, I have been reading about the ULSDs, and the nightmares that have occurred due to the lack of the lubrication additives put into it, and when I travel, I am not 100% sure that I won't get a dose of it from some tank somewhere. With the "fuel shortages" resulting from Katrina's damage to the refineries and this high fuel oil demand during this heating season, I would rather err on the side of safety than to have to pay later for the damage.



Even if ULSD almost looks clear, how would I know for certain if either my wife or I got a tank of ULSD? Rather than try to find out before pumping or discover it later from damage, I'll try to cover my truck with a small bit of insurance by adding just a bit more of the Lubricity Formula. Hey, we all talk of using the best in synthetic oils, the best oil filters, the best air filters, this accessory, that accessory, making more power, etc. , so it is my choice to try to protect against the known potential problems, and take care of the ones I don't know about when and if they arrive.



Cummins has already issued an Early Warning Bulletin that if an engine comes in with leaking fuel lift pump, then the dealer should determine if the customer has used ULSD fuel after using low sulfur diesel. The lift pump can leak between the bracket and the body or at the electrical connector.



As I have said before, pick your own "snake oil" and be happy with it. But most of all, educate yourself about it with as much info as you can find. And when you test it, do it scientifically and not subjectively. Best wishes!!!

 

[rbattelle]

I suppose I should pick up some lubricity formula to add along with the performance formula (is it safe to mix these?).



-Ryan

 

[Buffalo]

I've been running Primrose Power Master 405 for almost a year, now. It seems to have "cured" the injector knock I had on the '03.

I just recently started adding Marvel Mystery Oil on top of the Primrose at a 4 oz. /10 gal. recommended ratio.



Any thoughts on the use of MMO? It has been around & been used forever, it seems. Can it do any damage?



Thanks.



Joe F. (Buffalo)

 

[Texas Diesel]

I would avoid MMO all together. I used to run MMO in my MC engine till I pulled the plugs and saw the ash build up on the electrodes.



I run 2 cycle oil in the fuel because it is INTENDED to be run in engines and is 99. 5% ash free and cheap too.

 

[NavyDood]

I'll stick with my 16oz PowerService and 16oz MMO at each fill up. That is unless I hit the biodiesel station and run B50.

 

[gtobey]

Mixing lubricity with Performance Formula

I suppose I should pick up some lubricity formula to add along with the performance formula (is it safe to mix these?).



-Ryan

Yes, it is perfectly safe. It will not hurt anything, and the extra lubricity will definitely be of help to your fuel system components... Good luck!

 

[Texas Diesel]

I'll stick with my 16oz PowerService and 16oz MMO at each fill up. That is unless I hit the biodiesel station and run B50.

OK, I'll bite. What is special about B50? Better lubricuty? They dont sell it here :{

 

[rbattelle]

OK, I'll bite. What is special about B50? Better lubricuty? They dont sell it here :{

Biodiesel has much higher lubricity than regular diesel fuel. I've read that B2 is enough to counteract the negative effects of ULSD. Lucky for me, there's a B2 station not far from here.



-Ryan

 

[NavyDood]

Sorry. If I don't run biodiesel I use the MMO and PS concoction. When I run biodiesel, I go to the local biodiesel company and get a half a tank of B100 and then fill the rest of the way up with dino diesel. Pre-blended bio diesel can not be sold in TX anymore unless the seller adds the additive "Viscon". Viscon lowers the NOx emmisions.

 

[PeteFleming]

carb

Pretty soon California will be trying to run diesels on water. Future Funding for the EPA should be on the condition that all offices be located on the shoreline west of the fault line. I wonder if there is an end to this constant changing of fuel requirements? Maybe our diesels will run on granola?

 

[Texas Diesel]

I think we should move the EPA main office to west of the fault line. Well lets move the NSA, CIA and White House there too. Move the White House back to Washington in 2008...