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WOW... now that was a lot of reading :-laf



i have 175,000 miles on my rig and it has never seen anything in the tank except for diesel, and still run the Org. VP44.



after reading all this it looks like i had better start adding some !!!



great post guys !!!



Scott
 
RMarkey said:
I like most amsoil stuff, even though I run all Mobil 1 synthetic motor oil. Anybody have any input on the amsoil additive? Seems like most everyone likes the Stanadyne stuff with the Power Service stuff being right up there. Anybody used the Delo additive? We use all delo 400 for our road trucks @ work and haven't had any probs so I figured I give it a try when I saw it @ Autozone.



You guys have me sold on additives, now which one/ones to use!



I have been using PS for the last 20K miles. It may be wishful thinking, but engine seems quieter and smoother. IMHO, any additive is better than none at all. PS is readily available in my area so that's the way I went. Cheap insurance.
 
what r ur thoughts ?

got some bad fuel few weeks back , only made it 100 yards before i died. a guy i work with said to put a quart of trany fl. in ... . seem to get the job done... said hes been doing that in everything from skid loaders to trucks for years, says it helps with water and lubs and clean inj. watcha think?



jamie
 
WilliamsJ said:
got some bad fuel few weeks back , only made it 100 yards before i died. a guy i work with said to put a quart of trany fl. in ... . seem to get the job done... said hes been doing that in everything from skid loaders to trucks for years, says it helps with water and lubs and clean inj. watcha think?



jamie



Don't put ATF in your fuel. It's been covered many times here on TDR and is just a bad idea.

Stick with the recommendations given above.

Mike
 
Well!!! I think I am about to convert, I tried some Lucas additive and it seemed to run a little better, but there seems to be some that believe Standyne is the best, I looked at the MSDS on their webpage and don't have the foggiest what is the lubricants in their products, sees that Stoddard Solvent is the main ingredient, that is about as dry as you can get, no lubrication in that. . I wonder if anyone has MSDS for some of the other brands and wouldnt mind posting in this forum?? pullleeze?? Oo.
 
I have been adding PS fluid for about 20 years. Starting with VW diesel's and the VE pump which is a distributor pump like the VP, and my VPs + P7100, the high detergent content of PS fluid seems to clean things up nicely.



I dont add PS routinely! I add it once or twice a year. The VW's with the VE pumps would let me know when it was time for a treatment. The crank times would get longer, then add 1 qt PS to 10 gallons of diesel, by the end of the tank the crank times were back to normal, for another 6 months or so.



Been adding 2 cycle oil since 2001 too. Never had any problems with either. Only had one VP fail in that time period and it was on a truck I bought that was run with a bad LP. I knew the VP was in it's way out when I bought it but I managed to get about 30k miles before it finally died.



Interestingly when the VP started setting the 0216 internal timing failure I increased the 2 cycle oil to 100:1 and it stoppped setting the 216 code. So for fun I went back to 200:1 and the code started getting set again.



So I went back to 100:1 and drove the bad pump around for a month till it was convenient to replace it.



Lots of people will give bad vibes on PS fluid in the fuel (and 2 cycle oil too), it seems that most people are happier if the bottle says it's ok to use. But I dont know of anyone that had a definate bad EXPRIENCE with PS in the fuel.



Personally I'll stay with experience (mine) over theroretical reasoning.
 
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I can't believe there are still folks who believe in the old wives tale that ATF is good to put in the diesel fuel system. Oh well, those that do it without asking will find out soon enough. You did good by asking. mhenon is exactly correct! ATF is not meant to be burned... and if it were, would you want something in your transmission that might burn???? How safe would that be???



In all seriousness, the resultant ash content and by products of the combustion of ATF leaves residues that will clog injectors and coke up rings after so long of a time. Different engines take differing amounts of time to experience problems, but sooner or later, there will be problems if you're burning ATF. The best answer is to use a product designed for the job you need it to do! Good luck...
 
Geee, I'm sure glad you warned me that I have been doing the wrong thing for decades :rolleyes:



:-laf You kill me dude!



I was told about the PS EDIT: ATF benefit by an old Mercedes Benz mechanic in 1981, he had been using it in the dealership and his own Mercedes. He was my neighbor and good friend for many years and his vehicle got a monthly ATF treatment



I'll take experience over theroies any day.
 
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I'm am pleased you have had good luck with your engines over the past decades. Regarding the addition of fluids to your diesel fuel, you can certainly add anything you want into it,as it truly is your choice. I have no problem with your practice, as it will not affect me in any way. We are both allowed to have our own opinions, (according to the rules of the forums), and at the end of the day, we can agree to disagree and go our own ways, still members of the greatest place to get information and discuss our love for Cummins Turbo Diesels, the TDR.



In the previous post, I was stating my opinion based on my experience and my knowledge. After reading your reply, and seeing that you made light of it, I should clear up any misconceptions you may have about my opinon stated in that post.



When it comes to adding something in my diesel fuel, I have and will continue to contact the folks who manufacture fuel systems, who do research day in and day out, and scientifically document their findings. Having been a certified diesel fuel injection technician by the ADS, (Association of Diesel Specialists) and worked in the diesel fuel injection industry since 1971, from out in the field, to managing a shop, to managing parts, and even training folks to remanufacture diesel fuel injection components, I am somewhat aware of the problems that have occurred over the years from the use of non-approved fluids in diesel fuel. I have seen the coked injection nozzles, split injector nozzles, stuck nozzles, worn out plungers and barrels, advance mechanism failures, locked head & rotors, etc. Some of these failures resulted from the addition of many different fluids that were either high in ash content or were high on the solvent scale causing lack of lubrication. Most of these failures did not immediately occur after adding these fluids, but became problems that slowly built up over time to eventually become failures. Working for a company that has been factory authorized for service and warranty repairs, has technicians trained and authorized by the major manufacturers of diesel fuel injection equipment and further certified by the ADS, we have direct contact with the factories: Bosch, Stanadyne, Delphi, Zexel, Alliant, Siemens, Nippondenso, etc. I have never seen a bulletin from even one factory that recommends the addition of automatic transmission fluid, power steering fluid, or 2-stroke engine oil to diesel fuel. I do remember General Motors at one time recommending putting 5 gallons of unleaded gasoline into a 25 gallon tank of diesel fuel, and that was rescinded after disastrous results were experienced.



In science, theories are never hunches, feelings, or guesses. Science is not about belief—it is about making inferences based on evidence. A theory is an explanation of the general principles of certain phenomena with considerable facts to support it. A fact is an indisputable truth. Manufacturers know the fact that ash will coke an injection nozzle and cause failure, and the fact that ATF was not intended to be burned. The theory is then that these fluids should not be added to diesel fuel because of known facts. Scientific testing then could continue to prove the theory by experimenting with differing percentages of these fluids added to fuel and running engines with the mixtures over time at differing loads in controlled conditions and documenting the results.



Based upon these known facts and my experience in seeing the results of other's experiments with different additions to their diesel fuel, I base my honest opinion. It is offered only upon that basis. If you find it humorous, then so be it. If you find it enlightening and can benefit from someone else's experience, then so be it also.



I wish you the best of luck...
 
After you referring my post (and experience over 20 years) as a "wives tale", what did you expect?



You start typing in a downplaying manner and expect something different back?



As far as "suggested" fluids it should be obvious to you that many available oils are satisfactory but it costs SERIOUS money for the OEM to test and certify them.



One case in point is a well known synthetic oil manufacturer here on the TDR personally related the process.



The offered a transmission manufacturer any needed quantity of their product to test and gain certification by the transmission manufacturer. The company refused saying they already certified one type of lubricant and to certifiy another was not in the budget.



And so it goes, no OEM is going to leave a blank check. If they stated that PS was acceptable than they would be liable from that point on for any brand or changes to formula.



Here is a question, can you show me where in any owners manual Standyne is recommended for regular use? I'm not aware of any but perhaps there is an example somewhere. But there is no doubt that Standyne is a fine product that will do no harm.



So just because an OEM doesnt recommend it doesnt not necesarily mean that a certain product wont work as needed.



As I recall, the owners manual recommends AGAINST ANY fuel additive.



Have you ever used gasoline saturated rag to clean your hands in a pinch? That is a not recommended application, but we all have done it. (Hopefully no one does it habitually any longer... )



I wasnt makling light of your post but simply responding in the same attitude I percieved from your post.



Like you, I was relating my experience. And for the record, I have pulled the injectors after many thousands of miles on them with my current regimen and the tips looked normal, actually in my opinion they looked cleaner.
 
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Really quick before the day ends, and I go home, here's a few just for FYI...



You've probably already seen these, but here are a few tech and marketing bulletins which shoe the OEM approval of the additive i. e. OEM endorsement which supercedes the original owner/service manuals...



Vehicle and Engine Manufacturer Approvals for Stanadyne Diesel Fuel Additives



VW Technical Bulletin 00-03



More available here: Stanadyne Fuel Additive Documents



I enjoyed the discussion...



Take care and have a great weekend. .
 
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gtobey said:
here are a few tech and marketing bulletins which shoe the OEM approval of the additive i. e. OEM endorsement which supercedes the original owner/service manuals...
Thanks for the links, Unless I missed it I only saw a marketing bulletin though.
 
Texas Diesel said:
I have been adding PS fluid for about 20 years. Starting with VW diesel's and the VE pump which is a distributor pump like the VP, and my VPs + P7100, the high detergent content of PS fluid seems to clean things up nicely.



Let me get this right. When you say "PS fluid" are you talking about Power Service diesel fuel additive or power steering fluid?

Mike
 
How to mix into a full tank

I just bought a small case of Stanadyne PF My trucks fuel tank was just filled and now must be about 2 gals down and my Aux in-bed tank (70gals) is full, I imagine I could still place a few gallons into it, as I did not top off.



I do know directions call for it to be placed into tank when filling up for it to be mixed



Question:

Would it be OK for me to place a dose of Stanadyne PF into each tank ? Would just treating each tank by pouring it directly into the tanks and then driving 30 miles on winding road allow it to mix properly.



Thanks, Bill
 
gtobey said:
I can't believe there are still folks who believe in the old wives tale that ATF is good to put in the diesel fuel system.



I still hear the occasional trucker recommend filling the tank with 90% diesel fuel and 10% gasoline to prevent gelling.
 
Adding Stanadyne Performance Formula

abdiver said:
I just bought a small case of Stanadyne PF My trucks fuel tank was just filled and now must be about 2 gals down and my Aux in-bed tank (70gals) is full, I imagine I could still place a few gallons into it, as I did not top off.



I do know directions call for it to be placed into tank when filling up for it to be mixed



Question:

Would it be OK for me to place a dose of Stanadyne PF into each tank ? Would just treating each tank by pouring it directly into the tanks and then driving 30 miles on winding road allow it to mix properly.



Thanks, Bill





You should be OK, especially if you run it for a while to circulate it. The problems come when someone just pours it in after the park the vehicle and don't run it to mix it up. Then the additive cannot perform properly. It is optimum to add it before you fill up, but if you forget, just add it in a bit slowly while the engine is operating and then run the vehicle for a while. It should be OK... ;)
 
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