CALLING ALL 2003 - 2005 OWNERS who want better lighting...

[Matt400]

Check here and there may be some helpful info to decipher what it is.

 

[seafish]

OK... I know that this has been covered before somewhere, maybe even in this forum, but what about these or these as replacement projector modules in an oem fit.

02 - 05 Dodge Ram Chrome Projector Headlights By K2Motor|Free Shipping

2002 - 2005 Dodge Ram Halo Projector Headlights By K2Motor | Free Shipping

Are they going to scatter light everywhere, or not??

 

[Matt400]

I think those have been talked about before. What concerns me is the quality of the projector and the pattern it provides. The first paragraph on this page

makes mention of the possibility for a poorly made unit.

Now if the projectors used in those lamps assemblies are a Hella unit they should work well but the seller won't disclose who's or what projectors they are.



The link you provided may be the same lamp being discussed here

 

[p-Bar]

I think those have been talked about before. What concerns me is the quality of the projector and the pattern it provides. The first paragraph on this page
makes mention of the possibility for a poorly made unit.
Now if the projectors used in those lamps assemblies are a Hella unit they should work well but the seller won't disclose who's or what projectors they are.

The link you provided may be the same lamp being discussed here

Matt,
These are the Tiawanese lights that I bought and stripped out the lights and put in the metal Halides. They are worthless the way come all "Hollywood". Cfish and the link to Dieselresource are the Tiawan units the ones you show are of much higher quality such as the ones Mopar Bob was trying to get going from Europe

 

[CRuth]

Kind of scary to see they're using H1 bulbs. But I'm wondering if you couldn't just remove the projector and bolt on a good hella unit Susquehanna MotorSports - Detail



It would get pretty pricey that way since you'd need to buy four but it would probably get the job done.

At least this way you'd be getting an H7 bulb.



I should have scrolled down farther. Seems the bigger units are much cheaper. If these use a common mounting system it gets more interesting. Hope they aren't just glued in

 

[seafish]

Matt,

These are the Tiawanese lights that I bought and stripped out the lights and put in the metal Halides. They are worthless the way come all "Hollywood". Cfish and the link to Dieselresource are the Tiawan units the ones you show are of much higher quality such as the ones Mopar Bob was trying to get going from Europe

pBar, are you saying that the link to the HID projector headlamps from K2 motors are, as far as you know, a decent unit?? Were you able to order one and work with it?? Insatll higher quality projectors into it?? Can you post the link again to what you did to the headlights on your truck?? TIA

 

[seafish]

Check here and there may be some helpful info to decipher what it is.

Matt, here are the numbers and codes off the extra oem headlamp which I have in my garag; It is definitely marked on the housing--



Daimler/Chrysler 55077121 LH Wagner 37990



On the clear lense, lower corner, it is marked--



VOR DOT HB5 SAE HR A15PP3 DC 02DR



Ideas for the next move??

 

[Matt400]

Hrmm, when I search those numbers I found the discription as-

SIRIUS VOR DOT SAE HR 05 HB4A EURO CLEAR LIGHT 12V



Dunno about the EURO part. It may be that because of it's design type but no mention is made to the ECE regulation that Europe requires.

That light may have been built by this company- Wellcome To SIRIUS !



edit Looks like that company builds aftermarket stuff so maybe not. My search just tied in your number VOR DOT HB5 SAE HR with a product they build that has the same certification.

 

[Matt400]

I'm wondering if you couldn't just remove the projector and bolt on a good hella unit. It would get pretty pricey that way since you'd need to buy four

For those that have light bars and aftermarket bumpers maybe not. How about just making the oem location a low beam only with the high supplemented using an aux lamp? I already have good driving lights on my light bar.

I couldn't get your link to work but think you may be talking about this lamp.

 

[p-Bar]

Matt, here are the numbers and codes off the extra oem headlamp which I have in my garag; It is definitely marked on the housing--



Daimler/Chrysler 55077121 LH Wagner 37990



On the clear lense, lower corner, it is marked--



VOR DOT HB5 SAE HR A15PP3 DC 02DR



Ideas for the next move??

All lights for vehicles in the US have a DOT # on them So I would assume our Euro counterparts do an ECE on them

 

[p-Bar]

pBar, are you saying that the link to the HID projector headlamps from K2 motors are, as far as you know, a decent unit?? Were you able to order one and work with it?? Insatll higher quality projectors into it?? Can you post the link again to what you did to the headlights on your truck?? TIA

Fish if you go back on this thread I think I posted pics of what I did on these.

 

[seafish]

Fish if you go back on this thread I think I posted pics of what I did on these.

:-laf:-lafThat's funny, this thread (and others like it) have been going on SOOOO long, I didn't remember where you posted your pics. :-laf:-laf

 

[seafish]

All lights for vehicles in the US have a DOT # on them So I would assume our Euro counterparts do an ECE on them

Well, that's what we are hoping, we'll see if marco can answer the question definitively!!!

 

[p-Bar]

Here's my set up. I bought those Chinese imports off of ebay and ripped out the reflector assembly with the HI bulb and replaced it with a BMW E46 projector made by Bosch this is the "Bi" with Hi and lo built in by means of a solenoid that drops down the metal guard that shapes the light coming out. the other "projector has a H! bulb in it that is used for high beams which has a 100watt bulb. I had Joel at Brite box custom make a unit that keep the fogs on with the highbeams,power to the incadescent projectors and no loss of power to the HID . The unit works flawlessly as stated in my sig 15,000 lumens

Fish here ya go. if the pics don't show go to post #130

 

[CRuth]

For those that have light bars and aftermarket bumpers maybe not. How about just making the oem location a low beam only with the high supplemented using an aux lamp? I already have good driving lights on my light bar.

I couldn't get your link to work but think you may be talking about this lamp.

I thought about that too since I have aftermarket lights that take of the highbeam problem. Link works for me but yeah, same thing, just dont what size the taiwanese lights use yet.

 

[seafish]

Euro Rams have the same POOR headlights as US Rams

Well, Thanks to Bob Wagner and Marco, I have just learned that Euro Rams use the same headlights as US Rams. Probably has something to do with import exemptions, or lack of oversight, don't really know, nor does it really matter. It means that it's up to us to create our own solutions to our lighting problem. Everybody has different lighting needs and desires, and different solutions, but the sharing of info is what makes TDR so great!!!



I, for one, did very recently manage to procure a pair of LS430 HID projector headlights in excellent condition from Craigslist. I am going to pursue the retrofit as done by JKloppe in--https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/3rd-generation-ram-forum-no-engine-transmission-discussions/191334-how-hid.html



JKloppe is considering doing the conversion for me as a piad job, though he is extremely busy right now with his regular business, so I might have to do it myself, or turn to someone from HIDPlanet.com (as others have pointed out, an EXCELLENT lighting resource). Since the LS430's are NOT bi-xenon, they supply only the low beams for our trucks (but VERY EXCELLENT low beams, with a very sharp cutoff that does NOT blind other drivers when properly adjusted. ) I will be using 6" KC daylighters in a driving pattern on my UTE bumper for high beams and then I will be using the Warn SDB-169HBE Dual fog/driving in the fog location of my Ute bumper. Furthermore, I will experiment in using the IPF Fatboy H4 bulb in the Warns, as they offer a more powerful and directed low beam then other H4 bulbs. , but I will have to see how they work with the freeform reflector of the Warn; This set-up is incredibly expensive in both parts and labor, but I think that it will work extremely well. It becomes even MORE expensive when you have to factor in the cost of the air bag system that I will need to install to level my truck when fully loaded, or pulling a 10k trailer when I deliver millwork. I feel that the air bag leveling system is no longer optional with the LS430 headlights, as I will ALWAYS have to keep the truck leveled to avoid TOTALLY blinding oncoming drivers. BUT all of this is where I am going to go with my truck. There are many less expensive, and I am sure as acceptable, lighting solutions for our trucks, but ever since I saw JKloppes Retrofit, I have wanted to do this to my truck. Check out his pics, if you have not already, they are AWESOME, and he has told me that after his were properly adjusted, even with his lifted truck, he does not get flashed by oncoming drivers, which means that he is not blinding them, despite lighting up the road in fromt of him like a football field. Oo. Oo.



I will post pics and descriptions as I make progress on this project, but don't hold your breath, cause I know it is at least 2-3 months off before I will be able to complete it. In the meantime, lets keep posting other ideas and solutions here or on one of the other lighting threads!!!

 

[Matt400]

Well, Thanks to Bob Wagner and Marco, I have just learned that Euro Rams use the same headlights as US Rams.

Well, it was a thought anyway. Thanks for running with the idea and finding out for everyone.

 

[RDietze]

... so I might have to do it myself, or turn to someone from HIDPlanet.com (as others have pointed out, an EXCELLENT lighting resource). Since the LS430's are NOT bi-xenon, they supply only the low beams for our trucks...

I thought I read there were bi-xenon options that may work - Acura RL lights?

What is the casualty (cost) of the LS 430 lamps? Looks like I may need to start my search. The JKloppe HID alt looks accomplishable - a hearty project none-the-less. Truck would be down with the headlamps out for mod -- seafish, are you acquiring another set of lamp housings to work on so you still have lights on your truck?



Thanks,

Ron

 

[seafish]

I thought I read there were bi-xenon options that may work - Acura RL lights?
What is the casualty (cost) of the LS 430 lamps? Looks like I may need to start my search. The JKloppe HID alt looks accomplishable - a hearty project none-the-less. Truck would be down with the headlamps out for mod -- seafish, are you acquiring another set of lamp housings to work on so you still have lights on your truck?

Thanks,
Ron

Ron, the LS430 HID projectors , when you can find them , run $300-$500 per pair; This may or may not include ballasts, which while not exhorbirant, may run you another $100 per pair. I am also going to purchase another pair of the Anzo replacemnt oem headlights so that I can continue to drive my truck during the retrofit, that will set me back about another $200. JKloppe in https://www.turbodieselregister.com...-transmission-discussions/191334-how-hid.html noted that he also had about $900. in parts. This does NOT include any of the lighting that I will install for high beams OR foggers, nor the airbag lift kit to keep the truck level so that I do not blind other drivers when running fully loaded, since eventually I would be running air bags anyway. There are BiXenon options out there, including the Acura TL's, BUT their light is not near as powerful as the LS 430's which are considered to be the BEST of all HID projectors in terms of throwing a focused beam; Please note that they are about 7" in diameter, as oppposed to the smaller TL. That's NOT to say that the TL, or other HID projectors, wouldn't be a huge upgrade. Others here have used them and are very happy with them!

I still do not know how much it will actually cost to have someone due the headlight conversion, probably in the range of $600--there is ALOT of time required to do it well and accurately, which is why I would like JKloppe to do it. His experience and meticulousness will insure that the work goes smoothly. If he cannot, I will try one of the more experienced HID retrofitters on hidplanet.com, or do it myself.

SO, as you can see, the LS430 conversion is not for the faint of heart (wallet), but for ME, it seems to me to be the only way to go at this juncture.

Others are extremely happy with their light bars and Lightforce (or other) lights, and that is likely a much more cost effective solution for a lighting upgrade, but it is not per se a low beam upgrade--you will not necessarily be able to run with your brighter lights on in traffic, which for me is important to be able to do.

Let us know what you decide to do!!!

 

[Matt400]

I ran across a company that does the retro-fit's in any configuration you like.

I am not affiliated or have used them, just posting info I found.

They said. .

you have literally dozens of options when it comes to projector model, projector size, bezels, etc. Not to mention if you are supplying the lights, if we are supplying the lights, if you want halos, if you want upgraded HID, if you want custom painted housings, if you want LEDs, if you want to add bi-Xenon, add a high beam projector. Its just better in this case if you call so we can go over ALL of your options.

1(800)407-5776

HID Kit - Headlight Mods

Here is one for a Ram using OEM projectors, some with the shield removed for a the high beam function:

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FYI I asked: Was this one an aesthetic mod for a show vehicle or a street-able upgrade / output from stock?

They said:

HUGE upgrade over stock light output, overall luminescence, wider beam pattern, sharp cut-off line, just overall better quality and precisely aimed light for optimal visibility.