Competition Can you (lean out) a diesel on nitrous??

[KSmid]

Cheaten or not! HP is HP, how what's the diff!

If I can add 150-200+ hp with the flick of a switch for under $1000. 00 and turn it off and on when I want, how can you beat that with just diesel fuel?I do drive my truck daily in and out traffic and like to play hard with it when I can. Huge injectors don't seem to be the answer here especially when I truck pull around here you only can have one turbo (dump rules) . I'm pleased with the new SLED PULLER 66 turbo from high tech becuase the turbo lag isn't bad when driving daily, plus the tight convertor in the auto doesn't help with spool up like you manual guys. What are some better ways for power then Sled Puller ,that is street friendly. I do plan on getting the Mad ecm soon after there is some more feed back using them with the comp boxes. I spoke with Conrad on this. Nice guy by the way! How much NOS (est. ) could be used with what I got in my set up? How does NOS affect head gaskets. Faster burn?cyclinder pressures?, does it detenate like a gasser can (which I thought was caused by a lean mix)?

 

[Forrest Nearing]

a diesel won't detonate like a gasser because there's no fuel in the intake charge...



but you can't add 100-200hp w/ nitrous unless you add some fuel with it

 

[Forrest Nearing]

sorry, just saw that you pull...



if the rules allow it, use the juice on higher fueling settings to help burn all that fuel... it'll lower EGT's and you'll gain some power from increased cylinder pressure as well.



Forrest

 

[KSmid]

to me it seems I way over fueled now. My egts are over 1500+ and she smokes like crazy still. What kinda of fuel do you need to make 150 -200 hp of of nos?

 

[KSmid]

want it for the track more then truck pulling. Rules again. There should be on rule. Weight limit and run what you brung!!!!!!!!

 

[supersonic]

I don't care if you guys use spray on the drag track or on the street. But if I catch ANYONE using it at one of my pulls they will be thrown out the gate before they knew what happened. Nitrous Oxide can augment an allready bad problem (like a fire) and can find it's way past the rings and into the crankcase and cause a bigger problem (internal oil fire). Everyone agrees that fire is one of the scariest things to deal with in any kind of competition vehicle, agreed? The way I see it is, if you want to toast yourself at 100 mph at the short end, FINE, because that only involves you and the safety crew. BUT when you do it within close proximity of hundreds of fans (men, women. and CHILDREN) like at a pulling track at low speeds, you open yourself up to involving alot of innocent people in your fiery spectacle.



I know we all strive to make the most power to be competitive, but we have to keep in mind where our surroundings and our roots to this sport stand.

 

[jwilliams3]

*cough* Duramax *cough*

 

[supersonic]

Sorry, propane too. Pane is prolly more dangerous than spray.

 

[Sled Puller]

Dan,

I have seen morons with Coleman stove tanks in their CUP HOLDER, and the hose going to their air cleaner. :--)



Absolutley not propane!!!!



Just say no to drugs.

 

[justinp20012500]

:-laf

Maybe they could cook some breakfast at the track too...

I didn't know something that big would fit??!!!

It must of been a 24v auto. Those cup holders are nice!!

There is nothing better then putting the hurt on someone running a big shoot of squeeze at the track when you are running good ole #2. (With some stanadyne of course)

 

[Todd T]

i live by the motto: I'm going to cheat and its up to you to prove that i am.



with that said, i do not compete in sled pulls.



BTW i totally agree with not endangering people's lives, but please, when is the last time a Cummins exploded into a fireball at the local truck pulls? I'd be more concerned with the hazardous waste you call the track after a few years of use. spilled oil, fuel, antifreeze etc.



other than it being in my signature, to look at my wife's car you would never know it has nitrous on it. the reason it has, is the aftermarket has not cracked the code on the ECM yet and there are no other means of raising performance on it. when that day comes the nitrous will go on my truck or lawn mower or bike, hell maybe my little girl's or wife's bike.

 

[Sled Puller]

The only truck I saw burn bad, was a PSD, running NOS(LMAO), alcohol, and who knows what else.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

(With some stanadyne of course)

that's a crutch and you know it ya cheatin' bastid!!! :-{}

 

[justinp20012500]

that's a crutch and you know it ya cheatin' bastid!!! :-{}

I need a really big crutch running these VP's... :-laf

As for cheating...

It might be cheating in some eyes and it might not be.

I think if you are going to run any alternative fuel you should have proper equipment to do so. (On board fire supression system, Air cut off, battery cut off, fuel cut off and so on)

If you run anything other then diesel you should immediatley be thrown in the run what ya brung class. Guy's like supersonic will have your "butt" handed to you on a platter.

Nitrous or other types alike bring up insurance issue too. I only get to pull once a year here in Utah and I know that they appsolutely did not allow nitrous.

Do you other guys run into rules like that???

(I guess I would have to leave the standyne at home )

Of course this applies to the truck pulling crowd. Kinda hard to regulate drag racers at the midnight drags.

 

[jwilliams3]

I havent been to a pull that allowed nitrous.

I guess thats why its called cheating.

 

[Forrest Nearing]

I havent been to a pull that allowed nitrous.

I guess thats why its called cheating.

if it's against the rules, then yes, it's "cheating"



I come from the street racing world where there's no such thing as cheating and a chase is a race... :-laf



but yes, if it's a safety issue at the pulls and it's not allowed, then I certainly wouldn't recomend running it!!



Forrest

 

[propuller]

want it for the track more then truck pulling. Rules again. There should be on rule. Weight limit and run what you brung!!!!!!!!

I agree kevin. You know how i feel about rules. My pulling truck was a twin turbo'd,nitrous injected waste of time & money thanks to rules that were created after i built my truck. Do you suppose i made somebody nervous?



Kurt

 

[CGriffith]

What about water/methanol injection at sled pulls? I suppose just water would be OK?

 

[Sled Puller]

Kurt, Who are you??



DHRA: No water /meth anywhere.



Straight water ok, in the two big classes, no water in street class.



Actually, I kind of enjoyed running against the foo. . I mean drug users back in the day, it was always good entertainment what they were going to break, or pop. Fords on propane were most fun, because they always kept turning it up. Bang!pop!

It seemed nobody tried to tune anything, just throw drugs at it, instant 200 HP!! NOT.





When I approached our local-anti-Diesel pulling club to ask for an OPEN Diesel class, they asked what OPEN meant. I said, Nitous, propane, alcohol, water, multiple turbos etc. (I was being fair to the Forders, who didn't bother coming) They all freaked,No legititmate pulling outfit allows any mixing of fuels, period.



Sometime the old school boys are pretty smart. BTW after 3 years of pulling with them, most of the gasser trucks are towing in with Diesels, hehehehe.

 

[Yooper1]

Fire?? Where

Last I knew, Nitrous isn't flammable. . under compression it releases O2. .

That's why you add fuel to it. . which is why gas motors use a second fuel pump and why on drag car's the #1 cylinder runs hot or lean. . soooo back to my question, where is the risk of fire? and if I am wrong please explain how it happens. . I too believe in safety first in all types of motor sports. . Pulling or Draging. .