Competition Can you (lean out) a diesel on nitrous??

[OPoole]

I love the suff!! and have the bottles to pure it. I only have a small shot now . 073 jet and a small super powershot solenoid and nozzle off my mustang. This shot help out 85hp on dyno, Hope to try my new solenoids and nozzle soon. I have my BHJ O-ringing tool standing by and a new head gasket readly. The NOS progressive controller should help at the track with my 60fts.

 

[KSmid]

When I first posted this I was looking for the knowledge and info from others on running N2O in a diesel. I've had my truck just over a year and didn't even know anything about diesels and there power potental. Now, I got a 6700lb 13sec. , **** off your neighbor beast! Always had BBF Fords. I've learned alot since I've been reading on here but I didn't want this to turn into opinions about running N2O. If it's cheating or a crutch, hp is hp and how you make I don't care. I just want MORE!!!!!!! When its dealing with the rules of a sactioned pull then yes, I agree, rules are rules and they should be follwed. I have a $12K 800hp BBF thats sitting in my garage and parted out my pull truck because of stupid rules made by Chevy guys in my area!

 

[Sled Puller]

So, Dan, you condone Blitzkreiging Europe, also?



Saying extree turbos is same-same as NOS(gosh I love to use that abbrev. now!) is a poor arguement. One is mechanical,and just more of whats there from stock, the other is a drug, something that does not belong there.



I have heard too many times,"I needed the pane or NOS(there it is again!) cause them fellers over their, havem big twin turbos, eh?" And then, as soon as you turn your head, they have twin chargers AND NOS!! (one more time!)



If you are just fooling around on the street, and don't care about being a Diesel truist, by all means, take a squirt,but remember, if a little is good, alot must be better!!BIG JETS!! Go for it!! Oo.

 

[Sled Puller]

I am totally amazed that Tom Daschle ever got voted out.

 

[banshee]

You need two bottles. The big ones.

 

[propuller]

Gene,Im a nobody that used to pull with a club up in northern illinois with ksmid. I pulled in a diesel class that at one time had no rules as long as it was licensed & insured & all the other usual stuff like hitch height etc. I spent alot of money & hard work to build my truck to be impressive at the pulls & as soon as i got it done they called a rules meeting and ruled me out of competing because i had to much power & my truck was no longer safe to pull because of the risk,insurance blah blah blah but then they let me make exabition pulls. Going down the same track in front of the same grandstand with the same diesels that i would have competed with anyway But i wasnt competing nor could i win any money. Kevin go ahead and start with around a 90 jet that should make at least 100 horse in your truck. When i ran a single charger & sprayed nitrous i think i had a 105 jet & it produced an additional 135-140 horse. Your truck smokes enough to make some good numbers. I ran a stock headgasket no o-ring that 1st year i pulled with no problems at all. I let it warm up real good & never throw the switch with low boost, let the boost get up there as a nitrous backfire can be nasty. Hide the tank real good & go pulling i promise i wont say anything. LOL.



Kurt

 

[Jetpilot]

I love how guys who have no experience with NO2 call it drugs, cheating, or worse..... There is a member on here that says using more than 1 turbo to make HP is cheating. But in reality he who has the most HP and can get it to the ground wins. NO2 is not dangerous but it does take some tuning to get it right. Lots of time on a dyno tuning for starters and then off to the track of your choice for more tuning.



Above a statement was made of "No legititmate pulling outfit allows any mixing of fuels, period". Problem with this is NO2 is not a fuel its an source of oxygen, try lighting it with a flame... . Nothing happens.



I agree with having rules but maybe there should be a class for the NO2 users or alternate fuel users. This way everyone can compete and we can really see if the "drug users" can beat out the other players.



Doug

 

[Sled Puller]

my truck was no longer safe to pull because of the risk,insurance blah blah blah but then they let me make exabition pulls. .



Kurt

Thats crap, if its unsafe to pull, its unsafe to pull, period. Sounds to me, like you should have went to the rules meeting!!LOL If they wont let in a class that you helped start, don't pull exhibition, and give them the show for free. With the power you have, you should have a blanket, air shut off and driveshaft loops, though.



Jetpilot is an excellent source of info on this subject.



Quite possibly, a recipient of the:



"Spent more and achieved less, besides explosions in the TDR. " award.



Well, unless you consider making a big number on a dyno for 2. 2 seconds before you coat the room with oil and coolant, then he achieved something!!!



Go ahead Doug, tell them your fastest run, then tell them how many headgaskets you blew. Didn't seem worth it to me, but I'm not a dragracer.

 

[Jetpilot]

Sleddy,



Lets see, made 886 HP... . How much you made? 5XX as I believe. Heck I do that with my single turboed daily truck. As for my fastest run 12. 10 @ 118, that was back when guys weren't breaking 12. 50 (2 1/2 years ago). Number of headgaskets blown, 2 on the black truck. First one no o-rings, second one making multiple 800+ runs. Although I did blow one on the grey truck just goofing around on the street and at less than 50 lbs boost (no N2O on it).



How much stuff you broke pulling? Seems kinda expensive to try and pull, but then again I am not a puller. On another note hows that drag truck of your coming?

 

[Sled Puller]

Winning two TiMs and dominating 3 different points series, I guess it paid off, more than one run at an obscure track, and a dyno spin that wasn't even an event!!



I'm waiting for the NOS( )to get here, then I'm going racing with the ol rust bucket. Hell, anyone can race with a blue bottle. :-laf

 

[Jetpilot]

Hmmmmm, obscure track... . I guess the Chrysler Nationals down in Atlanta in front of thousands of spectators is obscure. That seems kinds funny when you compare it to the local fairs where a lot of pulls are run. As for what did I win in my 1 year of racing, well the diesel drags at TIM in 2002 and the Chrysel Nationals in Atlanta. I didn't win any point series as there were none established in 2002.



Have fun with your N2O on your racetruck. I am sure you will do just fine making another 500 HP. When you want some help tuning let me know and I will be happy to lend you a hand.

 

[COMP461]

If enforceable rules were in effect and enforced , them I too would want the least amount of power adders.

When I raced In competition eliminator the rules are tough about what you can and can't do, they weighed and fuel check you car after every pass, this makes a person that has the ability to make real power and innovations stand out. but when the score boards are the only rule its is anything goes.

I personally would like everyone to be on the same page. this is the premise of my quest to finish the rules ,we have been working on for the class in NHRA super stock. these new SS classes this would be a place for some of the true engine gurus of the diesel world to strut their stuff .



The proposals as of now are as follows



Same as Super stock modified truck rules see NHRA rule book with the following exceptions



4500 lbs minimum

back half 4 link

automotive light duty diesel any internal engine modification

air to water intercooler allowed or water injection , but not both ??????

twin turbo , allowed , 200 lbs weight break for single turbo ??????

production transmission same as make of truck

no delay boxes allowed , super stock rule

no nitrous

exhaust up



Super Stock is essentially a bracket race, with the exception of when two cars or trucks in the same class run , its heads up .

We want to make this a viable racing class , not a one off show boat deal , where a diesel’s consistency , because of turbos and their ability to run the same regardless of density altitude could actually win.

We would like to limit the class to no faster then the 9’s , The reasoning being that the first time any one in the index runs 9. 99 everyone will have to have a lic. and a chassis tag.



At national events where they run class , if you are the fastest in you class , or the only one to show up you get paid class money. Class money usually is , depending on decals about $800 to $1000, just for showing up. To win is about $15,000 to $18,000



A divisional race is about $7500 to win

There are about 7 of us on here working on this deal

 

[Sled Puller]

As for what did I win in my 1 year of racing, well the diesel drags at TIM in 2002 and the Chrysel (is that a Chinese version of Chrysler?)Nationals in Atlanta.

Doh!





So boys, ya hammered me on NOS, but I see two different versions of the proper(?) terms,NO2, and N2O, in previous posts.



You guys don't even know whats in the tank!!LOL

 

[Sled Puller]

This Explains A Lot

Nitrous Oxide: the FAQ

The information contained herein is presented for informational use only. These pages do not advocate the use of Nitrous Oxide, which may be illegal in your part of the globe. You may find that Nitrous Oxide makes you disoriented, nauseated, and generally very unhappy. Used in the worst of stupid ways, it could even kill you!

(AMEN TO THAT!!! SP)

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N2O, or Nitrous Oxide, also known as laughing gas, is a weak anaesthetic gas that has been in use since the late 18th century. Common use includes both surgical and recreational purposes.



Legality of Use

In the State of California, the possession with INTENT to use nitrous oxide is a misdemeanor, this is probally true of most states. The following is taken from the CA penal code. 381b. Any person who possesses nitrous oxide or any substance

containing nitrous oxide, with the intent to breathe, inhale, or

ingest for the purpose of causing a condition of intoxication,

elation, euphoria, dizziness,



stupefaction, (YUNZ ARE GUILTY THERE! SP)



or dulling of the senses

or for the purpose of, in any manner, changing, distorting, or

disturbing the audio, visual, or mental processes, . . (SOT ITS ILLEGAL, SO ARE DRUGS, BINGO ITS A DRUG!! SP)



Physiological Effects



When inhaled, nitrous produces a variety of physical effects including:

Disorientation (SEEN THAT AT THE DRAGSTRIP SP)

Fixated vision ( JEALOUSY OVER DIESEL PULLING TRUCKS SP)

Throbbing or pulsating auditory hallucinations

Similarly pulsating visual hallucinations

Increased pain threshold

Deeper mental connections (I LOVE THAT ONE SP)



Physiological effects last approximately a minute for a lungful of nitrous and then mainly dissipate. ( JUST LIKE A DRUG, QUICK HIGH, THEN A CRASH SP) Some residual (LEAKY HEADGASKET)effects may last up to several minutes later.



Long term or heavy usecan have unpleasant effects. (NO LIE THERE!)



Here are some quotes regarding the dangers of nitrous use. While light use is not hazardous, here are some "common sense" errors to avoid.



A Nitrous Oxide Experience

After several deep breaths of air, I inhale nearly a lungful of nitrous and pull some air down on top and then hold my breath. Within seconds, a light tingling can be felt which seems to increase in frequency. The sensation is much as if waves were traveling up your body or as if you were twisting or spinning. Disorientation increases rapidly and the pulsing sounds/feelings increase, wrapping over one another. It is now, with eyes shut, that I enter a dreamlike state, where I am thinking out something and the external world has essentially ceased to exist. The urge to breathe takes over at some point and partial or whole breaths taken. Open eyes reveal some sort of tunnel vision, with regions of disorientation about the outside. Slowly the throbbing subsides.

At other times I experience a sense of paranoia mixed with disorientation. I have a deep conviction while under the influence that all things are cycling together, that there is some deeper cyclical event occuring. It is as an experience of deja vu continually occuring. The feeling is profound.



( SAME THING IT DOES TO YOUR ENGINE SP)





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Things Never To Do on N2O

PILOT A PLANE!!!!!

 

[KSmid]

back to the tech of running NOS, what size injectors are needed to make say 100+hp. I know in a gasser the jet (HP) size is usually close on dyno as far as power made. Every one says hp is determinded by the fuel. A 300hp kit is not going to make 300 hp according to the fuel you are running? Is there a (rule of thumb) if tuned right, you can expect a certain hp # with injector size?

 

[Jetpilot]

Sleddy,



Nice post on the effects of N2O on people..... But I think it would be better suited for a medical site or at least over in the "other" forums as it has nothing to do with diesel engines.



Now as for my spending more, how much did you spend on your truck to make 500 HP? How about the cost of all you carnage, mine ran only around $300 for headgaskets, oil, and antifreeze. :-laf



Bottom line here is why can't there be a class to allow guys to "run what you brung"? A lot of guys have spent a ton of $$ on there trucks and now can't pull with them the way they are setup. Looks to me that everyone could be accomodated with more $$ going to the pulling association if this were allowed. I agree there needs to be rules and they need to be enforced. But, there should also be venues for all to participate, or is someone worried that some N2O truck will come along and whoop up on guys higher up the competition ladder?



PS: I edited my above typos on N2O thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Jetpilot]

KSmid,



There really isn't a "rule of thumb" per say for diesels. It really depends on how much unburned fuel you have when on boost. So for a person with twins and large injectors there will be a smaller HP gain than with someone running a medium sized single. I can tell you that running Bullydog 8's, a B-1, and a ton of N2O you can make an addition 250 HP over just #2.



Doug

 

[Sled Puller]

Doug,

We offered to have an open class at TiM last year, very little interest, so we canceled it.



We designed the DHRA pulling classes around the majority of the trucks that were pulling. Our goal was three classes, we could of easily had 6, but we had to draw a line. There were a few from years past that had drugs, but remember, all they have to do is take it off, and they can be right back in. Its not like we banned them because of wheelbase, or something impossible to change.

Also, we are an SFI certified sanctioning body, that has to carry insurance. I don't want to touch a RWYB class, and I don't want my tech guys having to decide wether Jim billybobs solenoids and hoses and gizmos are safe enough.



A local club tried it, and it turned into a "Run What We Tell You to Bring" overnight. More rules than any normal class.



Go to a brush pull, if you want to run outlaw!