Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) caTCHER ecm (Marco's aka MAD)

[Diesel Freak]

Howdy Roger!

 

[RCone]

Howdy yourself!!!!!!!!! How you been?

 

[tcourse]

Roger

Couldn't have said it better



Been awhile, hope everything is good with you.



Terry

 

[AKAMAC]

Roger,

I'd be happy to put into the dyno pot..... I have yet to hear back from Doug on the availability of ECM units with the MAD programing for those of us that can't/don't have the ability to send our brains to Marco. I for one am looking for something that puts the torque on earlier than the boxes. Mike

 

[Hohn]

Originally posted by TxDieselKid

Maybe if I had read your post while parked in an RV parked in a Walmart I would have understood a little better.

I remember that thread! Yikes, that's an old one... .



jlh

 

[paulb]

Roger, well put. Welcome back!

 

[KatDiesel]

Originally posted by Marco



no need for a boost fooler with the MAD ECM. I've raised the boost limit.



Marco

What is the new limit if can don't mind me asking?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

really all you do is taking an opposing opinion without being able to back it up.



"Opposing" what"?



"Backing up" what?







I have consistently expressed faith im Marco's ability - he's undoubtedly FORGOTTEN more about ECM function than the collective membership here ever KNEW!



What "claims" Have *I* made about anything YOU would like me to "back up" be specific now...



I in NO WAY, now or earlier, have "opposed" anything concerning the MAD setup - only asked various questions as the various aspects of it's performance - both on it's own, and as compared to other readily available products in the same power and price class - why is that seen by you as unusual or unreasonable - why does it bother you?



I have NO problems with how or why you spend YOUR $$$ - why are you concerned by how *I* spend mine - or what yardstick I use to do so - or feel the need to become PERSONALLY abusive in doing so - problem staying on subject?



Sure, I am cautious where new and untried products, with no hard proof of performance is concerned - it's not a big problem with a $5 item bought locally - but COULD be a problem with a $500 product developed and entirely "manufactured" on another continent - do you see potential harm in pointing that out to others? Why?



I saw a VERY similar performance product incubate over on a Camaro board - fella name Dave Inall in Australia came on offering to develop and market a twin-turbo setup for the Camaros - he had developed a similar setup for Corvettes for outfits like Lingenfelter - so what he wanted was a minimum of 100 guys to pay something like $5000 *each* up front for a system he would THEN develop - prices for later buyers would be more like $7000.



We got into discussions on that issue VERY similar to THIS one - but 100 guys stepped up - yeah, THEY were big, bold and mouthy too - and than felt compelled to loudly and verbally attack any who DARED question or criticise what was going on, or ask specific questions as to what this proposed system would deliver...



Months dragged by - about 3 system I know of finally were delivered amid LOTS of hoopla and squeals of delight among the faithful - then NOTHING! Investors got nervous - more months - and finally, news that Inall had declared bankruptcy, and could not be reached. The cheers of joy, the squeals of delight were all gone...



Yeah, THIS is a much different product and situation - but the basic premise is still the same - a new product, regardless of WHO makes it, comes subject to questions and caution by most - there will always be the few who will plunge in, and it is THEIR willingness and aggressive character that may eventually benefit the rest of us as the product proves out and further develops...



But NONE of us who are of a more cautious nature, NEED or APPRECIATE your apparent compulsion to begin direct and personal attacks on our rather benign questioning or comments aimed purely at a PRODUCT! What I drive and tow, and what I have installed on my truck or have "plastered" on it or my trailer are NOT the issue - only a "tool" you have selected for personal ridicule - KNOCK IT OFF!

 

[Marco]

There's that woman that has a problem...



Doc, I have a problem! I fart... a lot! Also while I'm talking to you I've already done at least 20!!! Thanks to the almighty, they do not smell and don't make any noise.



Yes ma'm I see, I already know what's your problem.

I'll cure you in two rounds. Ten days one medicine, then you'll come back and I'll tell you what else you'll need to do.



Ten days later...



Doc, I took the medicine but I hate to say that I've seen no result.

I still fart but now they smell too!!!



Madam, now that we've cured your nose, we'll cure your ears... .





Got the MSG? Guys keep it a civil place where EVERYBODY is WELCOME and can express his thought's.



Thanks!



Marco

 

[HoleshotHolset]

Who would have thought that this thread would have included a 'fart joke'?! :-laf



Matt

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I certainly agree - cumpulsion to bring aggressive personal attacks into a thread like this is noisy, smelly, and not only disgusts onlookers, but is totally non-productive!



Back the the thread title subject!

 

[darkhorse]

What this thread needs now is new information. There's a bunch of ECM's in the pipeline to Marco currently, Mine amongst them. When those get back & into some trucks, I'm sure we will have some new information worth reading.

 

[M Evan]

Originally posted by darkhorse

What this thread needs now is new information. There's a bunch of ECM's in the pipeline to Marco currently, Mine amongst them. When those get back & into some trucks, I'm sure we will have some new information worth reading.

You're right, we need more information. I'm interested how will re programing work for towing, for me number one think I always look to improve.

me

 

[Bob Wagner]

the first post in the thread was about towing, works great for towing

 

[RCone]

MARCO, please accept my apology. After all, this thread IS about you, your persistent hard work and your accomplishments. I thought that it might be helpful to others if I did volunteer to dyno before and after, as there seems to be some concern to some individuals as to whether or not the ECM would shine in that area and that would be the yardstick by which they would measure. Hammer has already done so and indicates the dyno results were about the equivalent of an EZ. (I was just kidding about the money, but thanks for the offer AKAMAC. ) Four dyno runs in one day would however be somewhat expensive plus one would have to wait in between cause removing a hot ECM would not be a lot of fun.



What I am looking for is drivability also. I have owned a 1st gen and now a 2nd gen and would like my new truck to be as responsive from a stop as my first one was. Plus I tow, a 14K 5ver. I, like others, am attempting to have the best of both worlds, a solid tow vehicle and the feeling of a sports car when not towing. I cannot afford 2 different vehicles. The results that I hear about the MAD ECM sound very positive to me and I can’t wait to get mine back from you. Less smoke, responsiveness, and more low/mid range power sounds just like what I am looking for. I guess I wouldn’t be a good candidate to dyno anyhow cause it was suggested a STOCK truck make the 4 dyno runs and mine is anything but! Besides, modifying and playing with this truck makes me feel like I was in my 20’s again. I haven’t had this much fun with a vehicle for a long, long time and I will tell you that I am still a youngster at heart trapped in the body of a sixty plus year old Maybe that’s why I leave on the first yellow of the tree at the drag strip and still have a crappy reaction time.





Thank you for your indulgence………



Respectfully,



Roger

 

[TxDieselKid]

Bob,



Have you had any improvment to speak of so far in terms of milage? With the quicker responce, less RPM should be needed to drive. I am talking in terms of being unloaded.

 

[csutton7]

it's quite easy to run or test a different ECM without removing the stock one--just unplug it from the OEM ECM and plug into the new ECM zip tie it out of the way--this way it can be dyno'd, swapped into different trucks and tested--if you like it install it permanently if not take it out and plug back into the OEM one--I plan to dyno mine when it comes in on a couple of different trucks--I don't expect to see any increase, but low end response would be awesome and that's why I'm getting one---chris

 

[Chipstien]

Originally posted by HoleshotHolset

Who would have thought that this thread would have included a 'fart joke'?! :-laf



Matt

Uh Oh, Matt is getting excited. :-laf :-laf

 

[RCone]

Hadn't thot bout the idea of just unplugging Chris. Thank you!

 

[Big P]

On a side note RCone, I thought I was the only one with an ATS exhaust.