Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) caTCHER ecm (Marco's aka MAD)

[Marco]

Miss print? 4100°???? Where?

What am I missing?? :{



Marco

 

[Marco]

Dyno

Dyno #'s for the CaTCHER?

Sounds like fun!



Hey, just something to keep in mind.

On the ROAD the CaTCHER is able to spool my turbo @ about 1400 Rpm ( even a little sooner ). That's with a load on the engine.



Now we're on the rollers. We put in the gear, hold a steady Rpm for a little while and then we lay down WOT. We have to start @ what Rpm? 1500?

Now is THAT dyno providing a load onto the engine at that Rpm?



See what I mean?



I'm not saying dyno#'s are useless per se. Simply put, I still don't believe that a roller type dyno will take an accurate picture of the CaTCHER.



Other than that... Have FUN!



Marco

 

[Bob Wagner]

Unless there is a miss print about the EGT's of 4100 degrees the pistons and everything else should be liquified in the oil pan, or whats left of it !

1000 F pre turbo will melt pistons



THE ELEVATIONS WERE 3100FT AND 4100FT NOT DEGREES

 

[Jetpilot]

I wish I could come up with a product that I didn't have to provide any hard data to sell..... The dyno's that have been done have showed a loss of HP, if guys don't mind paying $$ to lose HP then thats great.



Marco dynos don't lie! I use them all the time to evaluate products. All performance products everyone else sells uses dyno sheets to show the HP increase, why wouldn't you want to provide this? To say look I have better turbo spoolup so I must have more HP is bogus. There are many ways to increase turbo spoolup and decrease HP, retarding timing, smaller exhaust housing, etc. If the catcher doesn't produce HP gains on the dyno then it is not making more HP. To say that because your turbo spools @ 1400 and dyno runs don't start till 1500 so it isn't real just doesn't fly. I can start a dyno run as low as 1000 rpm if I want so why would you need to start at 1500 or higher?



Doug

 

[darkhorse]

Geez Doug, what's the beef? Dynos don't lie they are just machines. They can be deceptive however. I didn't need to see a dyno graph to tell my EZ added power, but every dyno graph I have seen showed less than the 65hp claimed by the manufacturer. That didn't bother me. I never have seen a dyno graph on Don's mach 1. 5's but I could sure tell they added power. I've been running my CaTCHER since August & have no regrets about selling my EZ. It simply responds faster. I don't think that's something a dyno measures. Relax, no body is forcing you to buy one.

 

[tractorface]

Well.....

For what it is worth I am holding out until I see Dyno numbers. I also keep thinking Marco will add some features etc.

With that said It sounds like most or all are very happy with the catcher and to them Dyno numbers do not matter. I have no problem with that either.

Just wanted to add my two cents.

Thanks

 

[Marco]

Dear Jetpilot,

I don't know what your problem is. What I know for sure is that you will not be able to involve me into a transmission or oil war, no not even a CaTCHER war...



PLEASE, read again what I've ASKED

"We have to start @ what Rpm? 1500?"

Do you notice the two " ? " ?



Thanks for your kind attention!



Marco

 

[Jetpilot]

darkhorse,



An EZ adds around 65 HP, its not peak HP though..... If you have a dyno sheet for two runs made back to back one with the EZ and one stock you will probably be able to find a point that HP was increased by around 65. The peak HP gain of an EZ is usually around 30-35 HP.



The beef I have is some people on this board state that it is adding HP when so far the dyno #'s and drag strip times are not confirming this... ... I guess I have a hard time with a product that says one thing but so far delivers another. I have tried many mods that I would swear added HP but when I put it on the dyno found out otherwise. Dynoes are not deceptive as long as you work from a constant and don't manipulate the data. There needs to always be a baseline for the truck and it needs to be confirmed prior to each mod being made. A baseline run must be made each and every time before and after a mod is changed.



Marco,



I am not trying to get anyone involved in a thread war, just looking for hard data that can be recreated over and over. As stated above a dyno run can be started as low as 700-800 rpm. With a dyno run starting around 1000 rpm a stock turbo should be spooling by the 1400 you stated, this would allow for a good comparison of an OEM and Catcher ECM.

 

[Bob Wagner]

Doug, I will be dynoing my truck at a DieselDynamics authorized shop.



Lenny will be doing the dyno runs, I have one hour. what do you want to see



my truck does not have a comp. I run Mach 2. 5's and Dodgezilla turbo and I can toss on an ez



state what runs you would like included.

 

[Bob Wagner]

here was a 50HP Dyno gain

Oct 3 2004, 08:29 PM Post #33





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Yes you are both correct that was with my Mach 2. 4999's



However there is a little surprise to this story... With the Comp off the MAD made over 50 hp more than stock. I was surprised, as all the other dyno reports I have seen didn’t show an increase like mine did.















Since buying the MAD ECM I have participated in two pulls and two drag racing events. But my results weren’t as good as I was expecting especially at the track. I was getting the impression that my maybe my VP was wimping out on me or maybe the motor was getting tired. At Mission raceway last year my truck ran 12. 28 and a 12. 36 with no nitrous. This year it took nitrous just to get make it run in the required 12. 50 dial in.

But as I found out on Sat night on the DDP dyno, neither was the case. With the Comp on, the dyno was 60 hp lower on 5X5 than it was the last time I dyno’d my street injectors and it was very audible that the top end was having some issues.

One of the most interesting things I did was change my tire size with the super-chips box and thought why not test the MAD with the super-chips installed. That test lost about 30 hp but that’s not why I bring this up. When I decided to remove the super-chip I lost the MAD software too and now what was a MAD ECM is just a stock ECM. So don’t try that one at home boys and girls. But on a brighter note some good came from this loss. With the Comp on 5X5 the truck is no longer having the top end issues.



I think the MAD maybe the cat’s meow with a box that doesn’t alter timing like a TST box. But from my own experience I wouldn’t recommend it with a timing box like the Comp.









and this was before the 2nd version was released

 

[MACHINEST]

Men Men Men,i like them so well i bought 2 of them,The stock ecm is like cake with no iceing on it... . . Best bang for the buck,i have ever spent... Try it you will love it... .

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Sorry,I have no dyno numbers.



Anyway I doubt that the M. A. D. ECM will show anything special on the dyno. The CaTCHER is all about driveability and FUN to drive.



I know that sounds confusing... .



What I can tell you about the CaTCHER is more or less what Bob has already said. The torque comes in much sooner, the turbo spools up much sooner...



Over what Bob already has reported I would add only one thing.

The CaTCHER compared to a stock ECM...

The stock is a dog, while the CaTCHER makes the truck feel like a race car. Big and heavy, but race car...

The one thing about this ECM is that it was never sold or brought to the buying public as a guarantee that it would make HP. Unlike the FASS owner that stated we would get 50 HP buy changing over to his fueling system... ... we all know how that came out... .



I believe Marco and those involved in this reflash have presented it as an upgrade that I have yet to hear any negative responses to. Yes, mine is on its way to Marco now, so I have yet to drive one. From what I understand, it will make my "Doggy" 24 valve have the response like my other 12 valve trucks have, maybe even better, and if it does, more for me.



I think you would have more of a complaint, Doug, if it was being sold as XX amount of HP and it didnt perform as advertised.

 

[24V-DSL]

Current CaTCHER owners....

How many of you will be placing your CaTCHER in the Classifieds if Bob's dyno results are "unremarkable"... .

 

[Jetpilot]

Guys if you are all happy with the Catcher I am glad. For personal reasons I need hard data before I spend my $$ on performance upgrades..... It sounds like all of you are happy so I appologize if I stepped on any toes.



Doug

 

[BigDan]

I'd like to see the numbers as well, I currently have no turbo spooling issuse's, on 5X5 it spools lightning quick and its hard to go without my truck for a week and spend a bunch of money on something that will just make my turbo spool quicker.



If I didnt own a box I would definetly buy the catcher but since I already own a Drag Comp and nobody has commented on the comp catcher being any better then just the Comp alone, or feel like its actually worth the price of the comp + catcher (over $1,000) I will contuine to wait



I hope somebody has some more info rather then "I love the catcher, its so cool" I know its an awomse product I just need to know if its right for me... .

 

[darkhorse]

I think Marco made it clear quite some time ago that the CaTCHER was designed for stock to modestly BOMBed rigs, ie. with over sized injectors not timing boxes. Some modifications were made to accommodate folks who had Comps & wanted to try it. Some have been happy with that. Heavily fueled high HP rigs will, IMHO, probably not see a lot of "bang for the buck".

 

[Marco]

I second that!



Hey Mr. Darkhorse,

did you tap that wire at the end?

Inquiring mind wants to know... . :-laf



Marco

 

[darkhorse]

I second that!



Hey Mr. Darkhorse,

did you tap that wire at the end?

Inquiring mind wants to know... . :-laf



No Marco, not yet. I've got my Blue Chip APB hidden neatly away under the dash, but I'm waiting for better weather to get under the hood to run the wires & do the tap dance :-laf It wouldn't matter much any way, 'cuz there's been little to drive on but Ice & snow. However, I can report that my CaTCHER works very well with tire chains busting through snow drifts. Weather reports are looking up so it won't be long now.

 

[justinp20012500]

Geez Doug, what's the beef? Dynos don't lie they are just machines. They can be deceptive however. I didn't need to see a dyno graph to tell my EZ added power, but every dyno graph I have seen showed less than the 65hp claimed by the manufacturer. That didn't bother me. I never have seen a dyno graph on Don's mach 1. 5's but I could sure tell they added power. I've been running my CaTCHER since August & have no regrets about selling my EZ. It simply responds faster. I don't think that's something a dyno measures. Relax, no body is forcing you to buy one.

The 65 HP is what is gained at the crank I thought???



I might be wrong??



Justin

 

[tractorface]

I thought 65hp was best gain at a given rpm not necessarily max HP gain if that makes sense. In other words if the graph showed an OEM unit at 100Hp at 1200 rpm and with the box you got 165Hp at 1200 rpm you have your 65 hp gain. Now max hp could be 230hp on each. So HP gain is all how you word it. That is why i want to see the chart. Sounds like the catcher is making a lot more power at lower rpm's than any box ever did but its hard to tell without #'s.