cdl woes

[f.boyle]

My father went to get his class A cdl the other day he pulled in to take the test with his F-350 and the 13K trailer and they told him he could not get his cdl with a pick up nor was it legal to tow that trailer with that truck... ... ... ... ... the "head"DOT oficer dude told him this! what?the@#%$$^$###@cus cus little more cussss!@$%$???????????????

FRANK

 

[Whitmore]

all states are different but here in WYO I think a class B is required above 12,000 gvw... ... ... ... I think

 

[f.boyle]

O. k here is what the vermont book sais: class A Any combination vehicles with gcwr of 26001 pounds or more, provided the vehicles being towed has a gvwr of 10001 pounds or more. then sais a class a authorizes you for a class B and C trucks

Class B: any single vehicle with gvwr of 26001 pounds or more,provided the vehicles being towed has a gvwr of 10000or less. a class B authorises use of all class C vehicles

class C: any single vehicle with gvwr of 26000 pounds or less, provided the vehicles being towed has a gvwr of 10000or less.

that is straight from the Vermont CDL manual. that should help :-laf

Welcome to VT we confuse our selves:-laf

frank

 

[98rammer]

Welcome to VT we confuse our selves

hehe, most vermont people that i've seen drive 70 in a 45 through the tight mountain areas

 

[f.boyle]

Yep some of us aint the powerest stroke under the hood Oo. :-laf made it up my self :-laf

Frank :-laf

 

[baby.driver]

Did he offer to show you the applicable law re. tractor/ trailer weights?

 

[f.boyle]

no the DOT guy was just over the phone! the receptionist at the driveing test location told him he couldn't get his cdl with a pick up then Dad had her call DOT and the guy just said that if Dad got caught towing that trailer loaded he would get a ticket.

 

[f.boyle]

we are reaserching this, through all of their papers and all our construction friend with cdls are helping. so are you:-laf

 

[rob10858]

this might settle your problem. if he drove his rig to the driving test without a cdl, in our state he would get a ticket then and there. maybe you dot girl is being easy on your dad, have someone with a cdl take his rig down for the drivers test, and after he passes , its very tough, then he can legally drive home. this might solve some, and i repeat some of the confusion...

 

[f.boyle]

he has his cdl permit and the appropriate rider

 

[BV]

CDL Testing

When we had a kid that needed to take the driving test part for his CDL class B with Air Brake endoresment the Oregon DMV required that the vehicle meet those specs so it had to be a truck with capacity of 26001 or more pounds, have air brakes and have commercial plates.



I would think most states are the same since the CDL program is more Federal than state driven.



Have your Dad go to a Hertz, Ryder or Rollands rental center and rent a truck or tractor that meets the class A requirements. I think the problem is the F350 is only rated for 11,000#

 

[mberry]

Re: CDL Testing

Originally posted by BV

... I think the problem is the F350 is only rated for 11,000#

Not true. It's just like our beloved trucks. It all depends on how it's set up. My Dad's F-350 is rated at around 13,000lbs with his setup.



Is it required in VT to get a commercial drivers license when you pull an RV?



In California it goes by length. Class C is fine for up to 55' (or something like that). Good luck.

 

[rob10858]

rated means what the factory, dot, sticker molded to your drivers side middle pillar gives as a gvw or gvwr. that and the combination of the gvw of the trailer [that is affixed somewhere on your trailer] is what most dot checks we have been thru have combined for your total combination weight. even if you are hauling one bale of hay with a trailer that has a gvw of over 17000lbs, with the gvw of 10500, on your dually, you could be considered illegal, because your combined plated weight exceeds 26001. again, this only comes from our experiences of transporting equip from state to state in our turfgrass business.

 

[TPyle]

The problem with getting a Class A CDL with a p/u is the fact that the truck has a GVW of less than 26001 lbs. You can get a Class B with the p/u and a trailer with a GVW of 10,000 + lbs but thats it. Just curious but why does you dad need a Commercial Drivers Liscense. Is the truck being used commercially. If it isn't then there is no need for a CDL only a Class B liscense. The same applies to owners of RVs even with air brakes. Air brakes on the CDL are not an endorsement. They are listed as a restriction if that portion of the test has not been taken. I've had my Class A CDL for 7 years.

 

[sewman]

Well the way a DOT guy told me was that if your over 10,500 combinded weight you need a medical card,dot# & a logbook

this is for 10,500-26,000 lbs over that you'll need a CDL

That only for intrastate hauling in state you don't need it

And only when hauling for commerce

Bob

 

[rob10858]

well, he was almost close to being right, the over 10100 lb limit on pickups is driving the dot crazy. i swear i think that the over 10000 lb limit on trailers has been driven into their head so much, that any pickup over 10100 is automatically included, for a combination being overweight, not true keep looking...

 

[sewman]

I didn't say the over 10,500lb combo is overweight,I said if your combo is over 10,500 you need a med card,DOT# & a logbook

this is when your hauling for commerce & crossing state lines

Bob

 

[Koa Man]

Originally posted by TPyle

..... there is no need for a CDL only a Class B liscense.

The class B license is a CDL. Both the A and B requires a truck 26001 lbs. or more GVW. The A is if you tow more than 10K, the B is up to 10K. At least that is what is written in the back of my CDL, which I got in April 1991, the first month CDLs were issued. CDL requirements are supposed to be the same nationwide.

 

[f.boyle]

Thank you guys all for thre help you all have already got all the crap I've found out So I'm waitn to see a brownie pulled in somwhere and ask him a couple, intrested isn seeing the look on his face:-laf hope I don't get shot

Frank

 

[rob10858]

overweight might have been the wrong choice of words, misregistered might be what i'm getting at. your one ton needs to carry the whole comb weight on the registration under gcvwr or gvwr on your registration. and yes for some reason, those of us over a certain weight on the truck's gvwr [it's 10100 not 10500] and combined less than 26001 need a med card etc. if that truck is used for commerce, across state lines. try to figure what "commerce" is to some dot officers, and even farmers that have alot of leeway under the fed rules can get into problems after 150 airmiles from home in another state.