Check out this outrage!

[Phil Howell]

http://www.ivpressonline.com/articles/2003/11/10/news/news13.txt



We need to protect ourselves from the Department of the Interior!

 

[illflem]

Like to hear both sides of the story but you put a badge on the wrong person and they think it's a license to act like a savage.

 

[bighammer]

It goes both ways too.



They have rules which don't sound like they were followed. He should've had a permit with him. It's like a license plate. Buying it is not enough, you have to have it in the proper place to avoid problems. (If the cops pulled you over for no plate but you had bought it, etc. ) The lack of it implies non-compliance and puts the enforcing officers in a spot that indicates they have somebody less than cooperative. A look or body language that puts them more on guard (which I can understand, if you think you followed the rules and your lack of fulfilling ALL the requirements doesn't matter) only escalates the situation. If he's a big ole country boy lookin kind of guy, it would make the officer even more nervous.



He should've followed the rules. He should've treated them with respect and helped to put them at ease that the situation would be resolved. Maybe their orders were not specific enough? who knows. I think HE is in the wrong here, (and of course I could be mistaken) and it's unfortunate if he was really injured, but he brought it upon himself.



It's really unfortunaate for everyone. The officer will be more unfriendly next time. He will have a bad attitude towards any officer the next time. Some lawyers will make a lot of money over something that never should've happened. (which only leads to more lawyers)



(Flame-proof suit on)

 

[The patriot]

JMO

From what the article reads, they used excessive force and over reacted to a non threat. Cops that make large mistakes (especially in public) arent cops for long.

I aint a cop, but this is what I get from it.

Both sides would be nice to hear, but the story (to me) clearly shows that these officers are lacking in the skills needed to interact with people on a daily basis.



Fire them, or put them on prison duty.



Eric



PS Again from what I read, the guy being attacked definitely deserves something out of this.

 

[Rman]

I think those fish cops or, whatever they were, are really going to get fried for this. And if they don't, which may very well be, it's truly a shame. The media might be drumming it up a bit, but for not having a sticker on a truck and getting your neck broken and possible paralysis for it is uncalled for.

 

[AKAMAC]

Been to the riding area before and like the article stated they check for permit when you leave. If you don't have one they make you pay for a weekly pass. Usually its not a big deal.

 

[Champane Flight]

I thought

I thought that BLM land was free access? If so what gives them the right to issue permits? And since when does a access permit or lack of, require use of force?

 

[Deezul1]

The Glamis dunes area is a major off roading area and will have upwards of 100,000 people there on a big holiday weekend. There have been major improvements in camping areas such as large paved sections so RVs dont have to camp in the sand and more restrooms. The permit fees help to fund this and to pay for the extra rangers required to police these places. Unfortunately this sport (sand duning) has attracted a lot of rowdy and often drunken people which require a large ranger presence. Most Folks that go there have very expensive toys and can afford the small fee that is charged. I used to go there every major holiday in the winter for over 20 years and watched the crowd get rowdier every year which has led to more enforcement .

 

[TowPro]

Plus we don't really know what the conversation was, they way a witness said they were shouting leads me to think it was an argument.



Then the guy turned around to get his license out of his truck and the cop went after him I think it read.



Probably the guy did not say "do you want me to get my drivers license out of my truck"? He might have just turned around to get something from the truck, giving the heated discussion (the shouting) the cop has to assume he's going for a gun and "stopped" him. The cop has to think quick in that situation, or he could be dead.



If he had said "let me get my lisence out of the truck" the cop probably would have still not allowed him to get it, but would have gone in the truck himself. (this also allows the cop to do a quick search of the truck while he's in there) while his partner keeps an eye on the suspect.

Originally posted by bighammer

It goes both ways too.



They have rules which don't sound like they were followed. He should've had a permit with him. It's like a license plate. Buying it is not enough, you have to have it in the proper place to avoid problems. (If the cops pulled you over for no plate but you had bought it, etc. ) The lack of it implies non-compliance and puts the enforcing officers in a spot that indicates they have somebody less than cooperative. A look or body language that puts them more on guard (which I can understand, if you think you followed the rules and your lack of fulfilling ALL the requirements doesn't matter) only escalates the situation. If he's a big ole country boy lookin kind of guy, it would make the officer even more nervous.



He should've followed the rules. He should've treated them with respect and helped to put them at ease that the situation would be resolved. Maybe their orders were not specific enough? who knows. I think HE is in the wrong here, (and of course I could be mistaken) and it's unfortunate if he was really injured, but he brought it upon himself.



It's really unfortunaate for everyone. The officer will be more unfriendly next time. He will have a bad attitude towards any officer the next time. Some lawyers will make a lot of money over something that never should've happened. (which only leads to more lawyers)



(Flame-proof suit on)

 

[bighammer]

It's hard to know without hearing both sides to really get the WHOLE picture.



Don't get me wrong, I don't really like cops. I know there are a lot of mistakes made on their part. They have to make split second decisions that are often second-guessed sometimes for years after. You couldn't pay me enough to do that job. I do treat them with respect and keep the encounter at a calm level. For example, whenever I get pulled over, I keep my hands open and on the wheel or even out the window. Dome light on at night, etc. They don't make the rules, so I don't argue the point with them. Sure it might be brown-nosing but I sure have had a lot more "warnings" than tickets.



Some people have a different attitude. They hate cops. They do whatever they can to be difficult, be "tough" in front of their friends, etc. They argue and are hostile and rude. It makes the officer edgy and the situation escalates quickly.



I could also see some jerk faking an injury to try to make the cop look like the bad guy. I'm not saying he is here, but if he resisted and the officer was threatened, he had it coming.