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[RustyJC]

Re: where did the water come from?

Originally posted by tractorface

That is why one religion is no better than the next in Gods eyes. At least that is how I think it must be.

That philosophy sounds fine until one runs up against the words of Jesus... . "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No man cometh to the Father except by me. "



Rusty

 

[jponder]

TF> I'll tell you how he did it. He raised and flattened the ocean floor to a uniform depth and that raised the water, Or if you like he just sunk the land, or if you like he just added the water and then took it way Later. If he can make suns and planets and moons surely he can do something easy like raising the water level on earth

 

[lpearson]

Re: where did the water come from?

Originally posted by tractorface

Where did the water to cover the earth come from? where did it go? We know close to how much water is on earth, either as liquid, locked up as ice, or in the atmosphere. How did Noah gather two of all animals on earth? He had seven days to do what, travel the earth, capture the animals, and load them up. Keep them cared for over I think one year at sea. I am not buying it, sorry. BTW Do you think he gathered a bigfoot and some snipe? Wish he would have left the damn mosquitos out



I honestly think the story has a link to a real event, and I have no problem accepting the bible once you decide that it is not to be taken literally. See that is why we have so many religions from so few sources, its all in the interprutation. That is why one religion is no better than the next in Gods eyes. At least that is how I think it must be.

See Ya

Boy! Where to begin? I think it would be good to first read the account in the Bible, so as not to confuse what it said and what isn't.



Gen. 1:6-8 talks about the waters above the earth being separated from the waters on the earth and the separation was called a firmament or as vs. 8 says it was heaven. There are 3 heavens that the Bible talks about. The 1st. one is that of the atmosphere were the birds fly. The 2nd. is that of the Universe. The 3rd. Heaven is where God dwells and where Christians go after death. Read II Cor 12:1-4 for comparision.



God caused the animals to go to Noah, easy enough.



Gen. 7:11 The fountains of the great deep were broken up. There are great reserves of water under the earth, anyway that was the 1st. thing. Then the windows of heaven were opened. The canopy of water above the earth let go. ----------and it rained for 40 days and for 40 nights.



If all of the water in the polar ice caps were to melt it would flood the earth completely. (Check you science books) Back at the time of the flood the entire earth was subtropical, evidenced by various fossil type tropical plants found all over the world and some at increadble altitudes, this also including the North and South Pole.

Here in Colorado at over 8000' we have petrified Giant Redwoods (Florisent, Colo. ) How did they get there? There is "tons" of evidence in the fossil record to back this up.



Your logic is escaping me as you jump from the story of Noah to all of the religions are accepted by God. I don't get your point.



You said that the Story of Noah is a link to a real event? What event? What does that mean if it isn't true? The story is about the whole earth being flooded. Not just a flood in some country,----that happens every year all over the world.



What lesson is to be learned by telling this story if it isn't totally true??????????



Lowell

 

[klenger]

One possible explanation for how much water was required to flood the earth is that pre-flood, the earth was much flatter than it is now, therefore requiring less water to flood it. As the flood waters receeded, the pressure release on the land led to the uplifting of the mountains we now have.



A rapid flow of water post flood is also a possible explanation to the Grand Canyon. As I understand it, errosion from water grows exponentially to the volocity of the water. The Grand Canyon could have been carved in less than a year from this.



I marked parts of these statements in bold to show that these are theories considered by some creationists, not proven fact.

 

[jponder]

I cant beleive that yall have this entity You profess to beleive in that can make Suns and planets by waving his hand; yet yall try to get into some logical debate on where the water came from.



He can make a MAN a living breathing person from nothing and yall try to make where the water came from seem plausible.



Incredible

 

[tractorface]

Sorry LP I do jump around a lot. I am very busy at work and am trying to take shortcuts when I post.



Jponder, I appreciate your reply and believe if the story is true you must be right. BUT, Ask your self why God would create us and give us the fundamental principals of science and then not expect us to try and rationalize things according to those facts we use in every other aspect of our lives. Maybe it was so when he performed a miracle we would realize it was something from the hand of God, I don't know.



I have read and seen different things on the facts surrounding Noah's Ark. For instance I have seen convincing scientific "proof" that the wood is old enough and that the wood is no where near old enough also. I will keep asking and try to learn from everyone that I can.



LP, Even if God drove the animals to Noah he would have needed a fleet of boats to Git er done'



If the ice caps melted how did they refreeze in one year. That theory holds no "Water" with me. Jponders is the only one that makes any sense.

Thanks

 

[jponder]

How did god give us the basic principles of Science? God flys in the face of science, People who try to explain him logically have missed the boat.



Beleif in god has to be based on Faith not Logic.



Hey anybody on my block can blink their eye and create the Milky way then I sure aint going to question them putting 1. 6 Trillion cubic miles of water on little old EARTH!( He did put Everest under right )



IF I WAS a Christian I sure as Hell wouldnt say 1. 6 Trillion cubic miles came from the Ice Caps or the earth being Flatter, Thats what kills me. I dont begrudge you for being able to part seas and all that crap but PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE dont make your self like stupid by trying to make it make LOGICAL SENSE!!!!!!!!!!



Thanks i feel better now

 

[jponder]

Originally posted by lpearson

I know what you meant, but it was Noah on the Ark, not Moses.

Actually with a ship that big (took over 100 years for him to build, the size of an ocean liner) he could take 2 of each animal. ----------------

My feeling is that he took baby ones (dino's), a "blue" one and a "pink" one. I also think the assumption that he took full grown adults wouldn't work. Anyway, thought I would comment on that.



Lowell

I missed this earlier that is too funny. I used to say that years ago and the punch line was, Moses didnt have the ark Noah did. I didnt do it on purpose that time.



Heck moses could part seas he didnt need a ARK!

 

[klenger]

Moses didn't really part the Red Sea. Science tells us that it was just really low that year because of a lack of rain and Egypt was on watering restrictions.

 

[jponder]

Originally posted by klenger

Moses didn't really part the Red Sea. Science tells us that it was just really low that year because of a lack of rain and Egypt was on watering restrictions.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAh Thanks I needed that to lighten me up a little

 

[lpearson]

Originally posted by tractorface

Sorry LP I do jump around a lot. I am very busy at work and am trying to take shortcuts when I post.



LP, Even if God drove the animals to Noah he would have needed a fleet of boats to Git er done'



If the ice caps melted how did they refreeze in one year. That theory holds no "Water" with me. Jponders is the only one that makes any sense.

Thanks

Question 1. God Didn't need a fleet of boats to get the Animals to Noah. According to the Bible Gen. 10:25 The world was all together as one land mass prior to the flood and wasn't divided until many generations afterward (in the days of Peleg), soooooo no boats were needed.



Question 2. The ice age is a myth, never happened, only believed on by the evolutionists. As I said before the ENTIRE world was subtropical; this is backed up in the fossil record.



Jponder is correct God could have done it any way he wanted. My research makes sense to me and fits in with the Biblical account.



Lowell

 

[jponder]

The thing that bothers me is why rustyJC hasnt corrected my 1. 6 trillion cubic miles of water, by saying I should have used the average elevation of the earth! Did you calculate it JC You got to earn that $6. 50 boy!

 

[DHayden]

Ok I'm no genius, but I know I have read that 1 day in heaven is somewhere around a hundred years on earth. That probably leads to some confusion on when events in the Bible such as Revelations occur. Trouble is, was the Bible referring to 7 of our days or 7 of heavens days?

If you read Revelations there are some interesting things that have already happened that were prophesied. I wont push them upon you but it is at least a very interesting read for even non believers. "The writing on the wall" is also a great book on Revelations pointing out things that have happened thus far.

Alot of prophecy has been fullfilled just this century, though I wouldnt necessarily be saying or believing that the "end is near" when happenings between prophecies go for hundreds of years.

Maybe Prophecy is the wrong word but it's all food for thought.

 

[RustyJC]

Originally posted by jponder

The thing that bothers me is why rustyJC hasnt corrected my 1. 6 trillion cubic miles of water, by saying I should have used the average elevation of the earth! Did you calculate it JC You got to earn that $6. 50 boy!

Actually, things are pretty hectic right now and probably will be through mid-September. Maybe Justin Hohn will hold down the fort for me!



Rusty

 

[klenger]

Wimp

 

[jponder]

JC> You aint no Christain!



\DHayden> When I was 10 I read revelations and i went to my grandmother and told her it scared me, she told me to read Matthew!

 

[tractorface]

Myth????

Question 2. The ice age is a myth, never happened, only believed on by the evolutionists. As I said before the ENTIRE world was subtropical; this is backed up in the fossil record.

???? What's up with the woolly mamoth they so carefully chipped out of the ice on The Discovery channel last year? How about all the sediment deposists at or near the end of the ice flows.

God Didn't need a fleet of boats to get the Animals to Noah

You misunderstood. I was saying Noah would have needed a fleet of boats in order to save ALL the animals on earth, unless of course there were a lot less animals back then and what we have evolved??



Anyway I gotta part ways with your thinking on the "no ice age thing" If you read this somewhere point me towards the book cause it sounds interesting to me.

 

[MrWinkey]

I cant belive you guys are talking about this stuff.



I think people are way too loose w/ the term holy war. Wasent the last one the Crusades and look at all the happy crap that came outa that one. Heck some muslems are still upset about that.



Also..... it's pointless to even talk about such issues anyways. The more people "Belive" they are right or wrong the easier it is for them to commit atrocities and other bad things. You'll never convince some people that the time referd to in the bibble was millions of years. To some it will ALWAYS be 6 24 hour days cuz the bibble says so.



I dont understand how anybody can sit there and say "My god is the best because" How do you know? Do you realize the other guy is saying the same thing? What if neither of you are right?



God/Jesus/Religion should be about LOVE and how to forgive. Not who we should blow up because they dont belive like us.



ok... . /rant off

 

[lpearson]

Originally posted by DHayden

Ok I'm no genius, but I know I have read that 1 day in heaven is somewhere around a hundred years on earth. That probably leads to some confusion on when events in the Bible such as Revelations occur. Trouble is, was the Bible referring to 7 of our days or 7 of heavens days?

If you read Revelations there are some interesting things that have already happened that were prophesied. I wont push them upon you but it is at least a very interesting read for even non believers. "The writing on the wall" is also a great book on Revelations pointing out things that have happened thus far.

Alot of prophecy has been fullfilled just this century, though I wouldnt necessarily be saying or believing that the "end is near" when happenings between prophecies go for hundreds of years.

Maybe Prophecy is the wrong word but it's all food for thought.

Sorry, it doesn't say that. The referance was a day is AS a thousand years to the LORD and a Thousand years is AS a day unto the LORD. (i. e. no time with God)



It's called the Book of Revelation ---- no (s)



The Biggest Prophecy to us in this age is that Found in the Book of Daniel. It has to do with Israel and them signing a treaty to start sacrificing again. Right now they are a soverign country, so something has to happen to where they're not. Once this treaty is signed -----------HOLD ON TO YOUR HAT. 30 days hence the Great Tribulation will begin.



I used to get the Jerusalem Post, not any more. But I still pay attention to what is going on in Israel. This is the key.



Thanks for the post

Lowell

 

[lpearson]

Re: Myth????

Originally posted by tractorface

???? What's up with the woolly mamoth they so carefully chipped out of the ice on The Discovery channel last year? How about all the sediment deposists at or near the end of the ice flows.



You misunderstood. I was saying Noah would have needed a fleet of boats in order to save ALL the animals on earth, unless of course there were a lot less animals back then and what we have evolved??



Anyway I gotta part ways with your thinking on the "no ice age thing" If you read this somewhere point me towards the book cause it sounds interesting to me.

Hi,

The wooly Mamoths in Siberia were all frozen within a very short period of time. The tundra area where they were was bigger than the U. S. and it was fairly flat. Science shows that there was so much mostiure the the land became like quick sand and they sank down standing straight up. Interesting HUH. And then they froze solid. Something terrible happened. Most still had food in their stomachs. Since they sank in the mud and froze so fast, that is why they are so well preserved.



Noah's boat took over 100 years to build it was the size of an ocean liner. Taking baby animals would have worked.

I wasn't there nor was any one else, so it can't be proved that what the Bible says is true. One Believes it or not.



The theory of the Ice Age, is just that. Think of it, The Glaciers were suppose to start at the poles and move to the equator. Here in North America, they were suppose to be over 1 mile thick.

According to the theory that ice moved across the continent to the seas. Interesting to note that it would have had to go up hill since the mountains are much higher than at sea level where the ice formed. 1 mile of thick ice going up hill? I do have a resource on this and will get it to you.



Have a great holiday weekend.

Lowell