Chrysler restructure and focus changes...

[abdiver]

The medical benifits to all the retired workers is killing the big 3. I understand the medical cost are aprox $1500. 00 per auto produced. Honda and Toyota doesn't have this expense. The unions are killing all industries. Sure we need unions to protect workers, but come on if a worker is a poor worker he or she needs to go, also anyone know how much an auto assembly line worker gets in pay and benifits for placing parts on a frame. I had my own construction company I very important reason I retired was I would not have to deal with employees any more.



my little rant is over.

 

[CSnyder]

My point was the government wastes huge money subsidizing farmers. What is the difference?



I resent this statement! I grew up farming and I dont ever recall my father get government subsidies to help him because he didnt want the government controlling his operation. Now there are farmers who NEED those subsidies to survive and I will support those farmers because they work long hard days to feed this country. I just purchased many thousands of dollars in farm equipment last year so I can farm almost 2000 acres from this year on. I dont want to apply for government subsidies but if Im showing a net profit loss you can bet Ill be at the front of the line. Our governement controls the markets and if they make me loose money you bet Im gonna try to make them give it back. Dont take this personal, just take an opinion from an honest farmer. Rant over!



Chris

 

[zstroken]

I don't take it personal. I was illustrating a point. When ever somebody steps in it ruins the free market economy. China's government is stepping in as well as Japan, they play with the value of their currency, etc etc. So manufacturing isn't a free market. If farmers can't make enough money to stay in business, then their must be a surplus of grain/product, henc the demand is less than the supply. If few of the exit the business, the supply will drop and will equal the demand. The idea of a free market economy. Point is it is no different subsindizing the auto industry as it is subsidizing the farm industry. What about small businesses who get extra tax incentives, same thing. They are subsidizing the businesses. It is funny to listen to people complain about bailing out things. I preach a free market economy. Tarriffs will help one group and hurt another. Steel was an example the tarriffs helped the steel industry, but hurt manufacturing that used steel heavily since they had to pay more for the steel, then the oversees counterparts. The government could be thinking that farming is a national security issue, as far as being able to supply people food. Well what about manufacturing. We have lost a lot of our electronics to oversees. There was an issue with switzerland or some other country not supporting the US's politics in the middle east. They made a component for some planes. Refused to ship them to the US. Plans sat on the ground. If your gonna subsidize one business you should subsidize them all!!!

 

[abdiver]

GM in preliminary talks to buy Chrysler

 

[JFaulkner]

My point was the government wastes huge money subsidizing farmers. What is the difference?



I resent this statement! I grew up farming and I dont ever recall my father get government subsidies to help him because he didnt want the government controlling his operation. Now there are farmers who NEED those subsidies to survive and I will support those farmers because they work long hard days to feed this country. I just purchased many thousands of dollars in farm equipment last year so I can farm almost 2000 acres from this year on. I dont want to apply for government subsidies but if Im showing a net profit loss you can bet Ill be at the front of the line. Our governement controls the markets and if they make me loose money you bet Im gonna try to make them give it back. Dont take this personal, just take an opinion from an honest farmer. Rant over!



Chris

While I agree that there are some farmers who work hard for what they have, but you can't deny that there are those who exploit the system. They had a front page article in the local paper about farm subsidies being cut and how the much the farmer "helps" the local economy buy buying equipment. Well to put it plain and simple if you were to give me 1. 4million dollars (just what one local farmer here got) over 3 years in "farm welfare" I'd help my local economy too, I'd even go a little farther and buy 2 new pickups and set one on fire just to give the local body shop something to do.



I know this has little to do with the Chrysler problem but if anyone is interested in what their local farmers (and some corporations) get in "farm welfare" Here is the website you can search by name, county or state. I'm not picking on farmers (since I have alot of them in my family) but next time you hear one complaining about not making any money you can look them up and see if their telling the truth.

The unions are killing all industries. Sure we need unions to protect workers, but come on if a worker is a F_ck up he or she needs to go

Couldn't have put it better myself!!!

 

[abdiver]

JFaulkner, Thanks for posting that Subsidy recipients website I checked it out for a couple of countys where I know Ranchers and Farmers, funny thing is 90% plus of the Subsidy recipients were the big rich ones that really didn't need the money. The few working farmers that got some money that 9 to 10% got under 10K where the big already rich Guys got the Real Dough. I wasn't surprised in my findings.

 

[daytripper63]

JFaulkner, Thanks for posting that Subsidy recipients website I checked it out for a couple of countys where I know Ranchers and Farmers, funny thing is 90% plus of the Subsidy recipients were the big rich ones that really didn't need the money. The few working farmers that got some money that 9 to 10% got under 10K where the big already rich Guys got the Real Dough. I wasn't surprised in my findings.

This is exactly why the Gov. needs to stay the ^%#$ out of helping Businesses, they cant run anything right and they prove it on a regular basis. BUsiness is and always will be about running it sucessfully and making a profit to survive = only the strong survive.

But dont misunderstand what I am saying, profit does not equal greed. If you run a bus. sucessfully you can take care of your employees and in return they will produce a better svc / product and I dont believe we have that enough today and Unions are definetely not helping employees or Businesses anymore.

 

[zstroken]

Unions are good and bad. Ask the Toyota employees at Georgetown KY, about unions after toyota slashes their healthcare and their wages. Seems someone in management left their email open at the plant and Toyota said their margins weren't high enough, and they needed to cut the healthcare and the wages of the employees. It is frustrating to see the deadbeat employees taking advantage of the system.

 

[JFaulkner]

Unions are good and bad. Ask the Toyota employees at Georgetown KY, about unions after toyota slashes their healthcare and their wages. Seems someone in management left their email open at the plant and Toyota said their margins weren't high enough, and they needed to cut the healthcare and the wages of the employees. It is frustrating to see the deadbeat employees taking advantage of the system.

Now while that may be true, the Georgetown plant is aggressively searching for employees (heard on the radio that their going to high schools) all while Ford closed the Bativia transmission plant (east of Cincinnati OH). The main difference is one company successful while one is failing. IMO a job with a stable company with less benefits is better than a job with a great retirement package that may not be around when you plan to retire.

 

[Boomer II]

What is sad,,, is that our Country is blowing Billions in Iraq. What if they (our govt) bought out Daimler and kept the jobs right here in the good'ol USA?

Yeah, I wanna buy a car built by the federal government..... NOT!!

 

[zstroken]

Now while that may be true, the Georgetown plant is aggressively searching for employees (heard on the radio that their going to high schools) all while Ford closed the Bativia transmission plant (east of Cincinnati OH). The main difference is one company successful while one is failing. IMO a job with a stable company with less benefits is better than a job with a great retirement package that may not be around when you plan to retire.

The stability is nice, but just watch they will take and take and take. The only reason they are offering the high wages is because they are trying to keep the unions out. The union needs to reevaluate what they are fighting for. I think honda is one of the model auto manufactures. Toyota is growing to fast. Their quality is suffering. They just had a huge 500,000 unit plus recall. Took a class action suit to get it done too, sound familar? Said this recall isn't cheap. New engines at about $10K a pop is what I heard. Toyota seems to be making the large recalls a normal practice. They had one last year also, it was a much cheaper one though. Their positive growth momentum will probably ride them through a few of these, but a couple more of these and I think it will hurt the growth and quality image. Funny thing is most of the people who rate Toyota so high no zero what they are talking about. LOL. My neighbor has a toyota and he thought it could pull everybit of what my dodge could. He bent the hitch on his truck hauling about 50% of what I was hauling with my dodge.



I imagine they are recruiting the new recruits cause they will hire them in at a lesser pay scale. I know several people who have worked for Japanese run companies, and the Japanese will crap on you in a heartbeat. Only reason they are treating the hourly so well now is to keep the Union out. This is fine and the people benefit from it. They treat supervisor level up very poorly. The job comes first, then family!! Think they have their priorities messed up.

 

[ACoyle]

I have edited this thread twice today for two different reasons. It has gone off track into what seems like a debate more suited to the political forum. Emotions on this subject run high for all of us. Yet speaks to why we are alll here. Please keep within the guidelines so that this discussion can stay in this forum.



Thank You

AC

 

[Mel Swanson]

Yes, this is a hot subject.

I have edited this post twice today for two different reasons. It has gone off track into what seels like a debate more suited to the political forum. Emotions on this subject run high for all of us. Yt speaks to why we are alll here. Please keep within the guidelines so that this discussion can stay in this forum.



Thank You

AC

Through in illegal felons and it will get hotter.

Good job Coyle.

 

[BILLVO]

I have edited this post twice today for two different reasons. It has gone off track into what seels like a debate more suited to the political forum. Emotions on this subject run high for all of us. Yt speaks to why we are alll here. Please keep within the guidelines so that this discussion can stay in this forum.



Thank You

AC

I agree, and what I saw earlier wasn't good either.



Here is a simple reminder to all of here if you don't get to the Political forum.



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