Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Codes & Hesitation

[MPatrick]

About 6 months ago, My truck lost throttle response at around 58 mph in OD. No speed loss or gain when I pressed the peddle. This event would only do it once in a while at first only in OD at around the same speed. After a couple of months it would periodically do it at different speeds when not in OD. I would check the LP pressure at the schraider valve (next to the VP 44). I would get OK numbers (14 at idle, 11 at cruise, and 7 at WOT).



I checked my codes and got the 0216 and a couple of others. I took my truck to the dealer and had them check it out. The service writer said the truck did not have any codes, but recommended a filter change. I asked about the codes on the odometer and was told those are for something else. I changed the filter and the problem would still come up.



A couple of times I would start it up and it would not sound like the typical Cummins sound (sorta like a gasser-whoosing air-white smoke-rough running). I would take off and it would not have any power and I would have to turn it off and then it would sound and run fine after startup.



I was then told by a diesel injection service that the best CTD tech in my area was at a particular dealer. So I take it in and tell the service writer the history and the problems. The tech drives it and says "could not duplicate the problem". I was able to talk to the tech and he said that the codes I get are (you guessed it) for "something else". The tech says that the codes he looks for are 2 digit codes.



I have changed the filter again, checked the pressure again, I get my fuel from a high volume retailer. I pull a loaded trailer to Gainesville on the weekends and do not want the truck to die when towing.



I want to upgrade my fuel system, but do not want to do it now because of possible warranty issues.

 

[CFAR]

Check out this thread



https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80561



Sorry to be the "maybe" bearer of bad tidings.



How many miles do you have the Inj Pump should be covered for 100k.

 

[MPatrick]

I have 56K on the truck.



What I do not understand is the tech saying the code I see is for something else.



Anybody around Northeast Florida that knows an honest dealer?



I have never had a "box" attached to the engine.

 

[CFAR]

I don't have a clue either, unless he is refering to Cummins.

ECM is Cummins.

I don't know who makes the PCM.

 

[24V-DSL]

this is crazy....

IMO, you have the classic dying VP44 symptoms, and 0216 INJECTION PUMP TIMING FAILURE code to back it up. Note to "tech"... . this is a FOUR digit code, and what part of the words IPTF don't you understand? Yeah, I meant to be shouting, not at you, but at the stupidity of this.







These people are idiots... "for something else"... . "two digit codes". .



(I rarely use these smilie thingies, but this is beyond belief)



I'd go to Cummins and have someone who knows how to use a scanner help you. I wouldn't let either of these idiot dealers touch your truck again, especially to install the new VP I think you're gonna need.



Do a search here on the 0216... . go back and look at some of my posts between April and July, etc. CFAR gave you a start. Gain some knowledge so you can call BS when you hear it.



Good luck... .

 

[MPatrick]

suspect

I suspected I would get responses like that back.

DC must tell the tech and service advisors not to replace unless it is dead!



If I go to Cummins, They will charge me for a diagnostics. I can afford it, but the principle of this is what steams me!



Maybe go to Cummins, Pay for the diagnostics, show Tech the paper, Have DC pay for the diagnostics!

 

[MPatrick]

update

I called Cummins the other day for some parts on my generator. I was put on hold and listened to the Cummins advertisement. They said they could diagnose Dodge Cummins powered trucks. I talked to the Service mngr and he said call Dodge and tell them that you were going to take it to Cummins for a diagnostic. I did yesterday.



The Cummins Tech called me this morning and said it ran like a dog yesterday when he pulled it in the shop (no power). The Tech said he put it on the Dynometer this morning and it ran like a champ! The Tech also informed me that the Cummins Inject pump error code had been set 255 times (which is the max) on my engine.



I will update when new info comes out.

 

[ntillm01]

TWO digit codes!!!

I'm with 24V... Automotive technician BETTER not be looking for two-digit codes in this day and age. Four-digit (with a letter) codes have been manditory on vehicles since 1996!!! (Trucks I think came a little later, but still!)



Man I hate BS technician answers like that!

 

[MPatrick]

Another update

Cummins SE calls me and says it is the VP44.



Dodge is picking up the truck and going to replace it themselves.



OH well



I am going to replace the lift pump myself and add 6an lines.

 

[MPatrick]

11-14-02 update

I picked up my truck today after lunch.



I signed my name three times for $00. 00 due.



The funny thing about the receipt:

It made reference to the 0216 code!



I asked my Wife if she would help me draft a letter to DC about the hassle I'v had. She said I should not burn my bridges. Maybe she is right.



I am my own Warranty Station.



I have the Wildcat Diesel -8An system on back order.



I will concentrate on keeping the tank at least 1/2 full.



I drove my truck for 4 straight hours after I picked it up.



It ran like it use to!



I am glad Cummins SE was around, They did the job I expected them to do. TOP NOTCH



I am very glad to have TDR. All of the resources are great!

It would have been a lot more frustrating without the knowledge of this club.

 

[Michael Hughes]

I hate to say it, but I think the dealers knew what the problem was, then just didn't want to deal with it.



I am glad that I have a couple of GOOD dealers in my area and don't have to play games like you did.

 

[ntillm01]

MPatrick: Glad to hear you're back to normal. The truth is out there! I agree, the dealers knews something was wrong. Unfortunately most mechanics out there are afraid to work on anything without gas and spark plugs.