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Well Joe, I don't have any time right now, but just so you know it's comeing,
My NV 4500 was just shy of AWESOME inside with the Amsoil 2000 75w-90,GL-5, MT-1!

The shy part was related to FACTORY screw-ups. JERKS.

Details later.
Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
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EEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH.
It's Gene, again! #ad

I bet you Amsoil your popcorn, too. #ad

So, you didn't blame losing 3rd synchro on the Amsoil, huh? Couldn't have been a driver problem, could it #ad

Yeah, factory screwup #ad

Just kiddin' #ad
 
Factory screw-up? Yes,when I bought my new (on the crate) "99" NV-4500 from DC, before installing it I pulled the cover and found one of the plastic inserts on the end of a shifting fork missing. I wonder how far down the road that would have gone before things started sounding strange? Maybe the week after the warranty ran out!!

CPFF

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CUMMINS POWERED FAST FORD
 
I am NOT blaming the problems on CASTROL, neither! That was hard to say Joe, you should be proud of me!

A little history... .
I bought this 97 with 26,000 on it.
The 5spd fluid was trashed, VERY ugly. The clutch was barely catching on the floor, and in less than a year, it quit disengaging totally. (This was a 180 hp engine at the time of clutch failure)
I drove it the 400 miles home, shifting without the clutch, (tell us what happens when you do that Joe!) and starting it in gear at stop signs.

In goes the the Centerforce, (another story) pull it out onto the road and find out I have no 3rd synchros left. Double clutch is a must. Dern.
Thinking back, I had periodic grinds in 3rd, but blamed it on clutch mis-disengagment.
I see other threads about 3rd gear grind, is there a pattern?
So, after a year of double-clutching and a slipping clutch, I head for Enterprise Engine in Thornville, Ohio, to get the problems fixed.
Enterprise is the home of that "Big White Smokin Dodge". If Dodge and Cummins would do as much abuse testing as Enterprise does, we would all have better trucks from the get-go.

Enterprise notes that is one of the cleanest transmissions they have ever seen.

The synchros are in normal condition for 88,000. Except 3rd.
Now, for you Nervous Nellies, If an oil is going to cause a failure, it does not pick out pieces. It wears them ALL. Meaning, ALL the Synchros should have shown this wear. They did not.
I went ahead and put ALL new synchros in. Wanting the newer design and being fairly inexpensive to do it right now, since the transmission is already out.

3rd gear had a problem, somewhat untrue, warped, bent, whatever you want to call it. It dragged on the shaft enough that the synchro could not stop it from moving to avoid a grind situation.

Could a HARD shift or two warp that gear?

Replaced 3rd with A-1 used gear, new was a lot of $$$$$$$

Also my rear seal had developed a leak. Close inspection revealed improper installation from the factory, I had never had it apart.
5th gear was perfect. Changed to the New Venture full spline shaft anyway.
Also had the flywheel bored for a roller pilot bearing.
And, had that modified Sachs clutch put in!(There will be udates on this clutch's durability in the future. )

Special thanks to the grunts and technicians at www.enterpriseengine.com, these guys know their stuff and what breaks and what doesn't.
Top notch shop. I was in at 7:30 am and out at 4;30 pm, same day.

Thumbs down on Dave Mitchell for Over boosting the twin truck, therefore cheating Steve and I out of a whiteknuckle ride!

The best part?
The next day, Steve ST L was getting his Sach's put in and 5th nut fix. (His 5th was also perfect)
Steves truck has almost 30,000 less miles than mine and is a year newer. Steve is also a maintenance FREAK. Runs the Castrol Syntorq with a Genos filter and changes often.
Took the back cover off, and although the gears are fine, it is very brown and dirty inside there. To me it almost looks like baked on oil. But it is not quite that stained.
Steve ordered some Amsoil. Seeing is believing, evidently.

I have to give credit to Castrol for getting my trans to 26,000 miles with the abuse the previous owner dished out. And Steves gears show no sign of oil related wear, just gunky.
But I like a CLEAN gearbox!

I refilled with Amsoil Series 2000 75w-90.

There will NOT be any warranty issues with this lube in the NV 4500.

I will be bringing the gear and synchros to The Thunder in Muncie June 9, if any one wants to inspect them.

Can Sickly come that far to get SPANKED? #ad


Gene


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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com

[This message has been edited by MGM (edited 02-18-2001). ]

[This message has been edited by MGM (edited 02-28-2001). ]
 
Gene, if you give me a gallon of Amsoil and I carry it around in the truck, will you promise not to beat up on poor old Sickly? #ad

Do I have to put the Amsoil in my transmission, or can I jut carry it around behind the seat ? #ad


I agree that I have seen some brown coating on gears etc. inside the NV4500s run with Castrol Syntorq. However, my gears etc. looked fine after 100,000 miles on that stuff. Lets get your Ram up to 500 hp and give that Amsoil the real test #ad
 
I agree with Gene on this one (it was BOUND to happen eventually)! #ad
After seeing his transmission parts and comparing them to others that Enterprise had there and also my transmission (which just had the tail housing off for the 5th gear nut fix install) I'll be switching to Amsoil in my transmission as well. It was VERY VERY impressive!



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'98 QC LB (CMNSPWR), 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 4. 10 LSD, TST Powermax, 275hp RV injectors, Joe Donnelly modifed Sachs Clutch, custom ladder bars, SW fuel pressure gauge, BD exhaust brake, Isspro turbo temp monitor, front Draw-Tite receiver, rear Draw-Tite class V receiver, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO's, (all the common stuff clipped)
 
It will be tested soon in a REAL sickly Ram.
Obviously it will take several months to get results back. It is hard to test oil when input shafts are blown out through the transmission cases! I predict this will happen this year, maybe more than once.


It doesn't need tested, it is awesome, but it makes everyone feel better if a Living Legand is out hammering the product with 700 Horsepower to know it is safe for them to, eh? #ad


Your Sickly Ram is great at 500 hp Joe, and more than mine, but you are WAYYy behind in the horsepower wars!!LOL #ad

Gene
 
MGM/Joe D. , I don't mean to add fuel to any fires, I ask purely out of my own ignorance. Are the Amsoil 2000 series and the Castrol Syntorq both good oils for use in the NV5600 transmission as well? I will likely be changing my transmission oil this year for the first time, as I have ~9500 miles on Godzilla now, and I would feel better if I change out all my oils (transmission, both differentials) this year.

Oh, one more ignorance question: is the Castrol syntorq synthetic or conventional oil?

Thanks guys,
Tom


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Tom Golden
Godzilla: Patriot Blue 2001 2500 SLT QC 4X4 LWB ETH/DEE, Tow & Camper packages, 3. 54 Ltd. Slip, 4 wheel disc ABS, Isspro EGT/boost gauges, black SmittyBilt nerf bars, K&N RE-0880 & pre-filter, no silencer ring, TDR decal, Jack holiday antenna ball

Upcoming BOMBs: DD Stage 3 injectors, fuel line upgrade, 4" Jardine exhaust, full Psychotty air system

2001 Zinc Yellow SVT Mustang Cobra on order
NRA Life/CRPA/El Dorado #26 F. &A. M. of California
 
I saw the gears & transmission parts for myself when Gene and Steve came by. It simply re-affirmed my confidence in Amsoil. If the transmission requires synthetic, then why not simply use the first, and the best synthetic on the market? Warranty issues? Who cares, I'm only 4 hours away from Enterprise Engine if it's bad enough I can't fix it myself. I am my own warranty station, and Amsoil meets MY warranty requirements !

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Tom M.
Secretary of the Great Lakes Turbo Diesel Registry GLTDR B. A. D. Boys www.lubedealers.com/meers.html
 
Great info MGM #ad


I have been running Amsoil Series 2000 75W-90 in my New Venture 4500 for about 50K miles. I have yet to find a smoother shifting lube. Great Stuff!

JJW-ND was the first to tear down a NV-4500 that had Amsoil Series 2000 75W-90 GL-5 in it for 150,000 miles. None of the yellow metals were attacked by the supposedly high pressure additives of the Amsoil GL-5 Lube.


[This message has been edited by HEMI®Dart (edited 02-18-2001). ]
 
Just in case someone has not read past threads on the GL-5 vs. GL-4 ratings,
The Amsoil IS a GL-5. But it is also MT-1.
MT-1 takes care of the soft metal/clutch material issue.
Not all GL-5 rated oils can be used for a GL- 4 application.
Just trying to be clear, obviously, I am no technical writer!
Maybe Joe will help me write a rebuttal on his Castrol kiss-butt articles in TDR!!!LOL #ad
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Oh come on Joe... . You changed your mind on injectors maybe it time to try AmsOil. I'll send you a Gallon if you promise to try it. It doesn't get much better than that!!!!!!
 
Good point Joe.
Set up the dyno date, the Amsoil dealers on this thread will supply the oil, and we'll find out!!!
We will change one component at a time and record the findings.
I doubt it will show any hp increase, but the other benefits make it worth it.

Any BOMBed Cummins should have the BEST protection available.

Heck, we will even chip in and get you new tires to replace those BIAS-plys you are running!LOL
 
The NV 5600 6 speed takes engine oil. NOT gear lube.
Try the Amsoil Series 3000 5w-30 Diesel oil.

No fire here, just a friendly discussion that has been going on for 3 months.
Joe is skeered of not using Mother Mopar fluid because they have brainwashed him about about warranty coverage voiding. (It does not void the warranty)

I have no idea why he worrys about warranty when he has the truck BOMBed to the moon anyway?!?
You would think he would WANT the best oil!

Castrol Syntorq is a synthetic.
 
well Joe, you asked "How many HP is the Amsoil good for"? I've seen it used in a monster truck with over 1600 HP powering it. #ad

I do beleive that is a bit more HP than any of us will ever see in our pickups.

wayne

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94'SLT 4X4 AT/White in color. Factory Tow Hooks & Running Boards. Amsoil By-Pass filter, Amsoil Air cleaner,and all fluids are Amsoil. Optima "Red Top" batteries.
BD exhaust Brake, BD Torque Lock, BD Torque Converter, Dr. Performance Stage II Injection Pump. Mag-Hytec Diff Cover,Mag-Hytec Transmission Pan, Isspro Pyro, Boost,Oil temp Gauges mounted in 3 Gauge post mount. One gauge monitors Engine Oil, Trans, Diff. Temps.
Wayne Owen

[This message has been edited by amsoilman (edited 02-19-2001). ]
 
Ok Joe I'm going to go out on a limb here... .
Here's the deal I'll give you 1 Gallon of Ser 2000 75w/90 gear lube. You install it in your trans if there is 1 HP(I think there will be more) gained you switch over too AmsOil throught out Sickly. You can save that new Castrol stuff in a clean bucket if you would like but you won't need it.

Come on Joe what do ya say?????
 
You ought to take these guys up on their offer, Joe. It would be an interesting experiment. Enquiring minds would like to know if Amsoil lubes will really reduce friction and increase milage/hp as claimed. A before and after dyno should put the topic to rest.

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Just reread Joe's article in the TDR. I shouldn't do that, I just get worked up.

That is two issues in a row that some very harsh words are used against other oils with no data to back them up. On the edge of product bashing, which is odd to see in a politicaly correct mag like TDR.
So I was just wondering, are you going to write the "I may have been mistaken article"
Joe, or would you like me to do it for you?

I am still puzzled at why you modify everything thing else, but are happy with "good enough" in the lubricant department. Especially when there is one that has been proven over and over to be the better product. And even less expensive.

Still ain't got you figgered out Joe. #ad


Gene



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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com
 
Tom Golden,
I have changed the fluid, if you could even call it that, in my NV5600. I used Amsoil 3000 series 5w-30 as Gene recommended. It was like having a different transmission. Shifts so nice. It's worth the little $$$ for the best. Just remember what your taking care of!!!!!!!!

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2001 2500 ETH/DEE all Black short bed, Rhino lined, Mag-Hytec rear cover, Amsoil throughout including Amsoil Dual Remote Filter System using RemoteBracket mounting system. Everthing else but leather.
http://sites.netscape.net/remotebracket/homepage
 
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