Come here Joe Donnelly, I have some gear lube to sell you....

[Joseph Donnelly]

Gene, please remember that with the TDR lead time, I wrote that stuff quite a while ago, and before your transmission was disassembled at Enterprise Engine. As we discussed, I want to get that kind of feedback, and it seems I picked a great way--just bait the hook and wait for you to strike #ad


Dee, I am running Torco 75-140 in the diffs right now and it picked up 12 hp back at the 380 hp level over the stock lube. I would think the Amsoil wll be comparable (?) I don't know if the Amsoil or some other vendor's advanced product will beat the Castrol in hp. I could try it, however, just so long as the lube is good enough that Sickly won't hurt that poor little transmission #ad


I could also work in some dyno tests on trans lubes I suppose and if you donate the Amsoil I will dyno it against the new Castrol that is in my newly built NV4500 with all the Std. transmission goodies in it. If I do that, I would like to dyno other companies' products too, but right now you can understand that I can't afford to buy expensive lubes, pay for dyno time, and then pour them out, hoping I picked the best one for last #ad
I have to be ready for those burly big block Fords next weekend, and every hp helps. #ad


Ya really upset me saying I'm way behind on hp. I'm working on fixing that #ad
It is very hard to make an accurate estimate of your engine's hp unless you put it on the Dynojet. If the Mitchells show up at May Madness, I'll cover the cost of a Dynojet run. I think we all would like to see just how much hp a little B engine can make.

Go ahead, Dee, give me another 50 hp, I need it. #ad

 

[Sled Puller]

Allright Joe, I'll give you the time/deadline thing.

Just one thing, use the Amsoil last on the Dyno, I would hate to have the others benefit from the Amsoil left in in the transmission!
Gene

 

[drawson]

Joe, I'll box up 4 quarts of Ser. 2000 75W/90 and you'll be getting it shortly... .

 

[Sled Puller]

Wouldn't that be just too funny if every Amsoil Dealer in the country sent Joe a quart of oil?

Sickly would have to park down the street! No room in the driveway! #ad

Gene

 

[Sled Puller]

Back to the top, been brought up again!

 

[Sled Puller]

Drawson,
Are you shipping it or am I? Let's get the old man some oil, so he can start eating CROW!

How ya been doing Joe? I was impressed with your 609. Better keep crankin!
Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com

 

[mikepvg]

Joe
If you're going to test different transmission lubes, I believe it would be worthwhile to test Redline MT90. It is has a V. I. WAY higher than Am..... & even Syntorq's polymer free formula. ONLY the MT90 has rheological characteristics that approach Syntorq. No other GL-5/MT-1 I looked @ even comes close in that aspect. What intrigues me is the polyoester bases that they use. From what I've read in various abstracts, these are state-of-the-art base stocks (Grp V) for withstanding heat & stress. Syntorq's specs are excellent. Castrol uses a hydroisomerization of mineral bases to achieve these results which are on par w/ the PAO's, but ester based oils are reportedly that much better. And since it's designed specifically for synchronized MT's its rated a safe GL-4. I've been advised it would pass MT-1 & the new SAE J306 shear stability tests. In MHO, this is the only lube I would consider other than Syntorq. I have no interest in their company other than looking for a Syntorq equivalent or better. I agree w/ LE that ANY of the GL-5/MT-1's could have the potential for additive breakdown under many conditions & should be reserved for the appropriate EP applications.
Mikey
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94 2500HD 5sp 4. 10LSD 4X4 RWAL w/GearVendor OD, K&N Oval w/ Pre-Filter, Straight Exhaust, Geno's Fumotovalve, AW-Direct Idle Controller, Mag-Hytec Rear, 126K miles. NRA Member. V1.

 

[Sled Puller]

I can not get crap to load from the Redline site.
What is the VI on that lube?
Gene

 

[drawson]

Gene, I have 4 quarts of Ser 2000 75W/90 boxed up and will try and get it on a UPS truck tomorrow. .

 

[Sled Puller]

That's good, I hear Utah Crow is more tender than Pennsylvania Crow!

LOL
Gene

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

I plan to do hp and coast down dyno tests on NV4500 lubes when I get the time. Status to date: I have Mopar Castrol 75-85 Syntorq in the transmission, Torco has sent two types of lube for me to try--75-90 GL6 synthetic gear lube, and their new RTF (racing trans fluid, for 75, 80, and 85 weights, GL6, syn Group IV and V base stock). LE said they don't recommend anything but the Castrol and the GL5 and 6 packages can break down and attach the synchros over 230 deg. F. Torco said theirs wouldn't give a problem and they tested their additives against the synchro metals, the clutch linings in them, and the bonding resins.

I still don't have any Amsoil to test, #ad
and there is plenty of space in my driveway #ad

 

[mikepvg]

Gene
VI=
MT90=175
Syntorq=166
2K 75w90TGR=146
D. W. @ ALT.com indicated that TGR is PAO based.
I think the 146 provided to me to be suspiciously low to be ester based.
I recall seeing different #'s on different websites?
I don't put much value in the 4 ball test since I don't drive around on 4 balls #ad

But for the sake of comparison only:
Syntorq=. 35
TGR=. 40
MT90=NA
Pls confirm or advise re: correct #'s.
Mikey
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[Sled Puller]

My data sheet sheet dated August 2000 states a VI of 178.
It agrees on the . 40.
We agree on the wear test. There is more to a lube than a wear scar in a controlled environment, know what I mean?
The MT-90 sounds like a good gear lube.
You will have to break Joe's arm to get him to try it. He ain't much of a volunteer guinea pig!

Seeing is believing, and until I see a trans that ran the MT-90 take the abuse that mine did and look better, I'll stick with my GL-5/MT-1 Amsoil!
Amsoil Inc says this is the appropiate application for their Lube, so you're safe there. Their warranty will cover any problems caused by the Lube, if any may occur.
Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com

 

[Sled Puller]

I see where the wrong info came from. Obviuosly, Amsoil needs a new Webmaster. #ad

 

[mikepvg]

Is that just misinfo or is Amsoil reformulating as it takes advantage of new technology? And if the later, how would you know what your getting @ any particular time?
Anyways, whats the best way to break Joe's arm? I've seen debates on this & that go on forever... but to do something like what Joe's thinking about w/ the dyno or anything else under controlled conditions would be the most fun/interesting thing to do. I hope Joe incorporates & then just writes any costs off, like a blown transmission or two!
Mikey
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[Sled Puller]

Amsoil just sent me an e-mail says it is corrected. I just looked, and it is the same.
Like I said Amsoil and the Internet sucks!!
Somebody up in Wisconsin is raping them on web design, and they don't have a clue that their site sucks.
I would like to break Joe's arm with a skid of Amsoil toppling over on to him. LOL
And yes, the dyno will be fun.

I don't think a VI of 146 is going the right way with new technology! It is a definate printing mistake.
Gene

 

[mikepvg]

I'm gonna get flamed for this but the itch is gotta get scratched. Amsoil's 1st mistake is relying on any CHEESEHEAD!!! I had no choice since I was born in Milwaukee & spent a lot wasted years there. Until I had a choice over 20 years ago... Used to miss Fri Fish Fry & the Wed "Taco" runs on the race bikes but I don't miss the FATTIES, the weather or the state bird (mosquito). I guess on the plus side, the cops were so stupid, oops I mean intellectually challenged, we could goat them on purpose, but they could never catch us! Always good entertainment #ad
Of course I don't endorse that activity anymore #ad

Mikey

 

[Sled Puller]

Haha! Nobody reads the oil posts anyway!
They are all out there taking cheap shots at California, easy target!

There is only like 9 people in Wisconsin, so what does it matter? And I doubt they have a Cummins, so your safe!
Gene

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

#ad
BLOWN TRANNIES #ad

ooooohhhhhhnnnnnnnoooooooo.
Phew, glad I only have 609 hp. transmission should be in no danger since I am only around 3 times the rated capacity of the transmission #ad

I'll let you know how the dyno tests go. They are not definitive and complete, but are about the only tests I can think of that will give us something new, relevant, and quick. I'm sure the lube wars will go on forever, regardless #ad

 

[Sled Puller]

Since your awake Joe, there is an ugly rumor about a twin truck with 102 # of Boost.
That is One Hundred Two.
Never seen it myself, and it is second hand, so I won't say it is true, but it could be?? Eh????
I guess it would need a Kondalay auto to hold that kind of power.
Gene

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1997 Cummins Dodge 4x4 Bombed & Amsoiled. Amsoil Premiere Direct Jobber, Member of: NRA Business Alliance, GLTDR, WANTED: Wrecked Dodges.
www.awdist.com