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I talked to a few top executive Bosch reps yesterday. One of which was the go to guy in service that is involved in field testing and failure analysis. There were a few things that I have been suspecting with the Common Rail Fuel System. Since we have been servicing these systems in house (CP3 pumps & injectors), we have been noticing failures of the injector body (cracking) and check ball seats (erosion). I had to ask direct questions to get answers. The first thing I'll cover is, they have done testing on filtration on 3rd gen Dodge. They used a 5 micron test media that is very fine steel shot. They placed 1 teaspoon full of media in the fuel and then ran the engine with a 10 micron rated filter. At 20 minutes the engine started running bad and missing etc. They then changed the filter to a 7 micron rated filter and again placed 1 teaspoon of 5 micron media in the fuel. It ran for 35 minutes this time before running bad and missing. They then changed to a 5 micron rated filter and again placed 1 teaspoon of media in the fuel, this time it ran 45 minutes before showing the same missing and bad running. Next they changed to a 2 micron rated filter and this time they found that the engine could run for an extended period of time with no failure with the same 1 teaspoon of media. They are saying that we need to run 2 micron filters to keep our fuel systems safe from contamination.



Next we talked about injector bodies cracking. They say that this is caused from pressure spikes. They likened the cause and effect to a tin or aluminum can that with pressure in and out (flexing) the can will start to crack and break. They said that running at a higher pressure alone is not as bad, but pressure spiking is very bad. Next we talked about check balls and seats and what is causing the erosion of the seat. They said that with the high pressure and velocity of the fuel as it passes through the injector check ball and seat, the contamination in the fuel will sand blast the seat and erode it away.



We have been seeing a lose of 60% of our injector cores to these problems and feel that we must educate the public to the reasons for failure. They also said that they tested various filters for consistency in micron rating and saw some filters that should have been at 10 micron actually test at 20+ micron. We at Industrial Injection will be advising all our customers to upgrade there filter/fuel systems to 2 micron ASAP. Thanks, Brady 1-800-955-0476
 
Racor is what we have been going with as it will easily spin on a FASS fuel system and we also have been using a clear sediment bowl. The rating is 2 micron and incorporates waterstop paper technology. We have them in stock. Thanks
 
injector bodies

Are the injector bodies cracking due to the pressure spikes of an aftermarket box or does the same thing happen with a stock engine? How about a box that does not use pressure?
 
BrettWilliams said:
Racor is what we have been going with as it will easily spin on a FASS fuel system and we also have been using a clear sediment bowl. The rating is 2 micron and incorporates waterstop paper technology. We have them in stock. Thanks





Racor Part number please??



Thanks,

steved
 
This is a very informative thread. I have been running the Airdog with suposedly 2 micron filters for this reason. I do run a pressure box but I have a in cab switch and it stays turned off except when needed. The one I run the va 3. 1 is suposed to be a mild one.

I would hope someone would come out with some way of electronicly controlling the injector body cracking spikes. The rail pressure relieve valve must not be good enough. I can just imagine the pressure spikes someone gets while running a rail cap!

When someone comes out with a worth while product I'm not afraid to try it.

I think I'll try one of those Floor it stage I pumps.
 
Racor part number

Filter only part number is S3201S

Filter with filter bowl part number is B32001S

We are trying to help with injector and CP3 issues. We have seen Cp3 pumps testing low on delivery also due to contamination. I have one on my desk right now that was suppose to be good but contamination has taken it's toll and now I will call this customer to advise him. Thanks and I hope this helps. Brady, Industrial Injection Diesel Performance. 1-800-955-0476
 
2 Micron, Caterpillar "Advanced Efficiency" Fuel Filter

In the summer of 2004, I drove up to Elkhart, IN. & had a Dually Depot 115 gal. , aluminum diamond plate, aux. fuel tank (in bed) installed. Included in the purchase was a Fleetguard FS-1212 fuel filter with Cummins filter mount.



For the past couple of years, I've been hearing, especially on the Duramax website, that our fuel is not being filtered enough & that is what is causing premature failures in our HPCR systems.



One of the Duramax performance providers (Kennedy Diesel) came up with a filtration system incorporating a Caterpillar "Advanced Efficiency" (2 micron) Fuel filter (part #1R-0749).



After doing some research to see if this filter is compatible with the Cummins filter head (mount), I found out it will fit. The Cummins part # for the filter head (mount) is #3930618-S. It sells for $29. 81 at Cummins Rocky Mtn. , here in Phoenix.



There has been some concern that 2 micron filtration may be "too restrictive" for our HPCR systems. I have had my filter on since 3/30/'05 (over a year) & have not experienced any problems, at all. I have an '03, HO, Van Aaken C-3. 2, AFE-PG-7, Magnaflow 4" muffler & did the "Tone Ring Mod" to advance the timing, a bit. I have not noticed any fuel starvation issues. This filter is a large filter, 10-1/2" long.



At this time, only my aux. tank is benefitting from the finer filtration. I'm thinking of re-mounting the Cat filter between the engine & both tanks & reinstalling the Fleetguard filter in it's original, Dually Depot tank, location. That way, both tanks would get the finer filtration.



Brett Williams: I want to Thank You for sharing what you have learned from your sources. Great information that may help many of us.



I hope the information I've offered can be used as "another option" towards better fuel filtration.



Thanks, again, Brett.



Joe F. (Buffalo)
 
Cat Advanced Efficiency Fuel Filter Price.

I forgot to mention the price of the Cat filter.



It's $17. 07 + tax. ($18. 46, here in AZ. at the Cat dealer)



Sorry.



Joe F. (Buffalo)
 
BrettWilliams said:
Filter only part number is S3201S

Filter with filter bowl part number is B32001S

We are trying to help with injector and CP3 issues. We have seen Cp3 pumps testing low on delivery also due to contamination. I have one on my desk right now that was suppose to be good but contamination has taken it's toll and now I will call this customer to advise him. Thanks and I hope this helps. Brady, Industrial Injection Diesel Performance. 1-800-955-0476



Thanks,



This was very good to know.



steved
 
Thanks for the information. I to have been running an AirDog with 2 micron filter on it.



I'm with the others when it comes to pressure spikes. Is running a EZ on 2 with 90 E&H injectors going to be a problem long term. (Look at the sig for more mods)



And in about a week. That'll be my donor CP3 will be sitting on your desk getting tested before it's off to Floor-it.
 
Simple way?

Is there a simple 2 mic fuel filter that you can put inline before the factory fuel filter? I have the FASS 150 pump, but I'd also like 2 micron filtration. Something simple, economical and easy to change?
 
OK - I tried calling you guys on the 800# at 12:15 Today - no answer..... business must be to good - I went to the RACOR site - and there is nothing shown by that # B32001S... ... . when I do a serach - it comes back with no match - even just using the 320001 - zip..... Are you saying that you have a Racor Setup that will screw on to a FASS directly? If so PM me with the $$$$ and perhaps a better RACOR # so I can look at what it is... ... I use racor on my fishing boats... .
 
I crossed these to a Wix 33783 using just the 3201 and 32001 numbers... but they are 1"-14 thread... they are 2 micron.



So they might work as a primary...



steved
 
as brady recommends, you should try to stay with a brand that has been made specifically for the diesel system------mainly because it been proven to work. i also have those filters (2 micron) ready for shipment Oo. thanks

wade

NGM Diesel Performance

301 884 2175
 
SAID THIS IN ANOTHER POST, BUT OH WELL, ARE THE FILTERS 2-MICRON, OR ARE THEY 2-MICRON ABSOLUTE FUEL FILTERS..... :cool:
 
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