Concealed carry situation--What would you do?

[2broke2smoke]

if asked i would tell the investigating officer that i had to shoot to live ...

 

[SHobbs]

Here in Texas you pay $70 for the class and then send $140 to the state which is non refundable. Then you wait about 4 months for the permit to arrive. The permit is good for 5 years after that you pay $70 for another class and $70 to the state for the renewal.

 

[Crazy Horse]

Shoot the lit bottle in his hand and let him feel the pain of his own soon to be action. then go out and fan the flames.

This is the one I like!

 

[Mike Ellis]

Pawpaw was precisely correct with his first response. A flaming bottle would be a Molotov cocktail, which is a deadly weapon by any standard and might be considered an illegal destructive device by the Feds / cops. I am fairly certain that the police would not hestitate to shoot someone confronting them with a Molotov cocktail who was acting agitated and did not drop it on command. I am 100% certain that I would do so.



Basically, in such a situation you should command the guy to drop the bottle now and step away, if he makes the slightest threatening movement you shoot to stop until the threat is gone.



This is a scenario I have thought about many times. Why? Because I am Shriner here in Texas, and belong to a group called the Flying Fez that transports patients to our hospitals, including our burn center (one of the best in the world). On one of our trips we learned that a young boy was in the center fighting for his life after being burned over almost 100% of his body - he had been asleep in his bed when gang members threw a Molotov cocktail through the window of the WRONG house. The damage from such burns is horrific beyond words. The Shriners put out a video some time back called "Beauty for Ashes" as I recall, which shows a boy who suffered a similar fate, and the tremendous ordeal he went through not just from the pain of the burns and treatment but the reconstructive surgery and the social trauma of being constantly stared at like some kind of freak when he was able to get back out in public.



For those who have never been around someone who is badly burned, it's not just thick layers of ropy scar tissue. If you are small or burned badly enough, everything that sticks out gets burned away - fingers, toes, ears, nose, penis. It is horrifically painful and the consequences are with you for the rest of your life.



So yeah, if there is a guy out on your lawn with a Molotov cocktail and your family is in the house, it constitutes a threat of deadly force IMHO. Shoot to stop.



If you don't, you or your kids could face the scenario described above.

 

[fest3er]

... The instructor went through all the legal costs associated with a questionable shoot,the probable economic losses of job opportunities,freinds that shy away from you, and other related issues. The conservative calculation was 50 grand to protect a 15 thousand dollar car.

He also pointed out that once you go outside to catch a thief,you expose yourself to not knowing how many partners the thief has with him,if they are armed,and where they may be hiding--a situation in which you will never find a police officer without back-up.

It is easy to play that little movie in your head about how you are a hero for shooting a bad guy, but you focus has to be on evaluating the threat,warning the threat that he has to drop his weapon,and stopping the threat if he continues to threaten your in a manner that causes immediate lethal danger. Again,this is not legal advice,just my understanding of what my instructor stated.

Typical official 'police' pie-hole emanations. "You must always be terrified of the unknown: you'll never know how many criminals are massed against you. If you try to defend your life, limb and property, you will die. Only the police are equipped to protect you and your property. You, sir, are an incompetent fool; you are totally incapable of protecting your life, limb and property. Call us, the police. Then run away as fast as you can. Your life has the utmost value. Your property has none. If you kill someone who is trying to kill you or steal or destroy your property, your life will have no value. " Note that enough police officers will tell you differently; it's just the official/political police pie-hole dribblings that try to convince people that they are incompetent, worthless idiots.



Were it me, I'd take aim and wait for him to 'cock' his arm to throw the firebomb. Then I'd shoot him: two in the chest, one in the head, and 3 more for practice. That'd leave me with 12 rounds for his friends. Doesn't matter to me that he's got the wrong person and house. Arson and attempted arson are illegal in any case. The right to protect my life, limb and property right pre-dates the first social compact, has survived since, and is guaranteed by common law and the US Constitution. If any domestic US government imprisons me on the grounds that I do not have that right, then I don't want to be part of this society; I'd rather die in jail than support any government of limp-wristed gooders that strips me of my rights and liberties in the name of safety and security. To re-quote Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty, or give me death. "

 

[daveshoe]

Well,Fest,I am afraid that untill Ohio gives us the right to shoot to stop property crimes,we will just have to buy more insurance. It is not about whether or not you or I agree with such laws,but it needs to be about how your actions could affect your future. I figure a HS-1 insurance policy is a much cheaper option than hiring a criminal attorney for a ''bad shoot'' I am not gonna rush into a burning building to save some ''stuff',and I am not gonna make some criminal or his family rich on a lawsuit over a bad shoot. I guess everyone gets to take their own choice on this issue.

I can tell you that the LEO that taught this class absolutely did not think that the cops would save you and ride in like the cavalry just in time to catch the bad guys.

He said as much,and I came away from his class thinking more about life and limb--and less about property.