Cummins '600'!!!!

[dkosheba]

04 Will still be better that 04.5

Just my two cents worth, But I do believe that the 04 truck will out pull a 04. 5 truck on the same hill at max Gross Vehicle combined weight.



Unless they change the filter, intake, or turbo. The emissions to engine or exhaust will cause it to run hotter EGT wise won't it? O. K. I want to see a pull off between the two.



The same weight on the same hill now to see who can push who. Sorry Powerstrokes, you didn't make the cut. The best may have just gotten better is all.



Don

 

[hammersley]

What will they do to allow this to happen??

Will this rig run at these numbers without watching the guages - if it has guages???? Look at the weights they are talking about - Running up some of our Big Mountain passes, like Cabbage Hill on 84 east of Pendleton - that would be interesting to see how they plan on handling this with joe blow pulling gross. The bombers on this site know how to deal with this - what had DC done to handle this????

 

[BillGotthelf]

You can bet if Cummins and Dodge increased the warranty to 7/100 you can climb any mountain pass loaded to the GVCW and not over heat your egt's. Look at the way people (me and others) have been treating their trucks over the years. Towing over gvcw limits, bombing mods out the ying yang and the engines hold up. I build Hot Rods for fun and if you take a stock 225 hp engine and make it turn 300% of its rated HP it won't last long. My 99 was 215 and now puts out 475 and has for the last 45,000 miles. Now I'm modifing it to make 625 hp. Bet it goes another 100,000 miles at least.

 

[10-G]

Durn



My 02 is just now getting broke in.



If they stretch to a full size 4-door, I'll be enroute to my dealer.

 

[Pit Bull]

WOW Oo. I'm gone for a month and look what happens. This will be interesting to follow. Just wonder what they are doing to the 48RE to make it hold up to the increase?

 

[Turbo_Bob]

Re: 04 Will still be better that 04.5

Originally posted by dkosheba

Just my two cents worth, But I do believe that the 04 truck will out pull a 04. 5 truck on the same hill at max Gross Vehicle combined weight.

Unless they change the filter, intake, or turbo. The emissions to engine or exhaust will cause it to run hotter EGT wise won't it? O. K. I want to see a pull off between the two.

The same weight on the same hill now to see who can push who.

Car mfg. s will get sued if they lie about there numbers. It has happend years ago, and cost them alot of money.

H/P & T/Q is H/P & T/Q no matter how you add it up. If the new 04. 5 gained it's H/P & T/Q by turning up boost and adding a EGR & CAT to meet 50 state laws then the trade off will be less MPG.

If Cummins changed head design, cam, exhaust manifold, turbo, reprogram the ECU, injector size or any one change like this then you could have more power and MPG may stay the same.

 

[MMiller]

All I got to say is SWEET! I'm not in the market for a new truck but, man I'd like to go drive one. 600 ft lbs wow!

 

[Greg Boardman-RIP]

Anybody need a bombed 03' I just called today for an order on a 4x4 QC short bed 3500. With t-rex suspension and DD power this new truck will be sick.



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[amsoilman]

Well... ... ... . My 03' HO 6-speed with an Edge EZ is putting out 325 HP @ 2750 RPM and 657 Pound Ft. torque @ 2300 RPM to the rear wheels on the Dyno at Edge Products "Dyno Days" this past year. I'm sure the new 600's will be able to be "bombed" up much more as well. Will the truck's drive train take the added power? Mine has been doing just fine at 23,000 miles. EZ has been installed for about 20,000 miles.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[DPKetchum]

It should be no surprise at the new increase in H. P. The old 12 valves in marine application (different pistons and injection system)so I've been told put out 800foot lbs of torque. Can a v8 Ford or Duramax engine do that in STOCK form??

 

[HEMI®Dart]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

It should be no surprise at the new increase in H. P. The old 12 valves in marine application (different pistons and injection system)so I've been told put out 800foot lbs of torque. Can a v8 Ford or Duramax engine do that in STOCK form??

They'd be hard pressed to make that Bombed.

 

[DPKetchum]

I don't think the B59 is at its limit yet Maybe D. C. and Cummins still have a lot to still show them

 

[Matt400]

Originally posted by Wirenut

They're trying to run me out of business with these type of numbers stock!:--)

Never gonna happen... everyone always wants more, if you build it we will buy!

 

[DLeno]

I just got off the phone with DC and they told me:



1. re-designed exhaust manifold

2. 5" pipe from turbo to muff

3. 4" pipe from muff to tail

4. no cat

5. no egr



This is consistent with a conversation I had with Cummins (the number DC gives out). The Cummins guy made all the obligatory disclaimers about not having the information, that he can't say, and all of that , but then went on to describe how advances in combustion technology, enabled by the common rail, has made it possible for them to meet the new emissions regs without egr and without a cat or any other post combustion treetment.

 

[DPKetchum]

I wonder if the redesigned manifld is to get rid of the DRONE!!!Has well as to increase torque.

 

[DLeno]

Originally posted by DPKetchum

I don't think the B59 is at its limit yet Maybe D. C. and Cummins still have a lot to still show them

To me, this is the most fascinating part of the HP race in the light trucks. While the other guys are out re-designing their V8 engines, Cummins just turns up the juice on the old trusty 5. 9 to stay in the game. Its the truck itself that has been the weak spot -- there's always been a higher HP B5. 9 (than those in the RAMs) commercial duty engine around.



Chevy went from a weak 130HP 6. 2 back in the 80s, to a stronger but unreliable 6. 5 (and many flavors of same) , then to the duramax. Ford was at least consistent with the 7. 3 (when did that come out?), but (like the 6. 5) had many flavors. then they played with a new Navistar engine that got scrapped and Ford had to pay them off; then the newest 6. 0.



I'm sure I've left out a bunch of details but the point is that throughout all this time, today's Cummins B engine is basically the same block. yea, it went through modernization (valve train, injection system), but basically the same thing up to the 2003, when it was 70% overhauled with HPCR. And the guys who tuned up their pumps a bit and put on mild fueling boxes were only acheiving HP numbers already seen in commercial applications of the same engine. while the other guys strain to push the envelope...

 

[JHayward]

DLeno, I just reread this press release:

http://www.cummins.com/na/pages/en/....cfm?uuid=00013660-2C40-1F9D-9F0980C4A8F00000

Its worded to indicate that there will be some form of aftertreatment system...

 

[DLeno]

Yea, but it doesn't say that such a system will be present on the 2004. 5 RAM trucks. The only way to reconcile all this info is to suggest that the post combustion treetment won't be used until they need it. That is, its still in their back pocket if needed to keep up with the the EPA regs moving forward beyond 2004. 2004 is only the first hit and maybe they can meet the 2004 regs without it.



I think it would be a hoot if Ford and Chevy were the only ones using EGR (Chevy announced EGR recently for 2004. 5 I think). Seems hard to imagine that the ISB is capable of meeting the new regs without any EGR or post combustion treetment, but what a statement that would make if true!



I realize that the DC call center could be wrong, though . We'll have to wait and see. I expect the next TDR issue will address this subject; at least I hope so!

 

[RobertBolinger]

I agree with DLeno-it just says "consideration"-I think I read the next wave of new regs is 2007-maybe then...



It also looks like Dodge is going to be the place to get the details in writing on what it will or won't be-this goes along with DLeno's comments about how "Cummins guy made all the obligatory disclaimers about not having the information" yada yada yada...



EMail response from Cummins:

Summary: ram isb 2004. 5 calibration, technology



Solution:

Thanks for your email. Dodge will release that information and we're neither sure of when nor at liberty to comment on technology and configuration of the engine and vehicle system.



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Hello,



Yesterday, Dodge announced the specifications on the 2004= Dodge Ram Cummins engine. When will you release the technical specs on your website related to technology required to meet emissions requirements (I. E. EGR, after treatment, etc. )?



Robert Bolinger

TDR Member