Cummins Rams - Evil Death Machines

[GHarman]

IMHO, The only way we can stop this misinformation campaign is to prove them wrong! This type of Climate scare permeates academia and government. It is not based on sound science. However, the money to be reaped is beyond the amount spent on economic stabilization, in multiples. Pass through taxes based on the sale of carbon credits is one example of the way our Government will reap the benefits. I am a firm believer of being a good steward. But I also know a scam when I see one. It is the Hegelian principle being used to force social changes that would not happen given a choice. Unfortunately, those that are guiding this change have more in common with the U. N. than with Thomas Jefferson. Meantime, I'll continue to operate my first gen. GregH

 

[Grumpy John 4x4]

imports

Remember imports are like Tampons every p-ussy owns one!

 

[PatrickHansen]

Hey Grumpy, I have three imports (two Forresters and a Golf TDI) but my CTD was made in St. Louis. If yours was made in Mexico, that makes you an import owner, too.

 

[obert]

https://www.bobcatnet.com/contentmanagement/download.html?fileId=101018



I dont know if you guys can use this link, but it adresses this issue. I don't know if I want to throw up or throw somthing, or both. Pisses me off. #@$%!#@$%!#@$%!#@$%!#@$%!

 

[rbattelle]

Obert - can't access the site. What does the article talk about?

Ryan

 

[wcoomes]

It just amazes me that the moment somone puts words into print, such as newspapers. Some people jump on it as if it were the gospel truth. All I can say is there is no substitute for good "COMMON SENSE"

Amen brother, from someone who owns a cummins and a Honda Hybrid

 

[obert]

Ryan, thats a 21 page .pdf presentation from Bobcat company, on the CARB in-use off-road rules, like you read about in Diesel Progress. Nothing new, some of it is in place now, like the requirement to register equipment/engine with CARB.



Some hi-lights ------------------



California In-Use Off-Road Diesel Vehicle Regulation -Scope

•Applies to commercial mobile-powered off-road diesel vehicles equipped with engines 25 HP or greater

-Includes construction, industrial, mining, airport ground support and other vehicles

-Does not apply to on-road vehicles

-Does not apply to vehicles used primarily for agricultural operations

•Only includes up to point of first processing

•Forestry would be included in this exemption

-Does not include vehicle used for personal use such as home owners with acreage (i. e. consumers) (for how long... )

•Address both diesel PM and NOxlevels.

•Meet NOxand PM average targets

-Fleet average targets that become more strict over time

-OR -

•Meet Best Available Control Technology (BACT) requirements

•NOx-Turn over engines (retire or repower) at rate of 8% to 10% of total fleet HP per year

•PM -Apply PM retrofits (verified diesel emission control system -VDECS) at rate of 20% of total fleet HP per year

•Solutions are retrofitting, retiring, or repowering.

•2449(j) Disclosure of Regulation Applicability

Any person selling a vehicle with an engine subject to this regulation in California mustprovide the following disclosure in writing to the buyer on the bill of sale, “When operated in California, any off-road diesel vehicle may be subject to the California Air Resources Board In-Use Off-Road Diesel Vehicle Regulation. It therefore could be subject to retrofit or accelerated turnover requirements to reduce emissions of air pollutants.

•2449(h)(8) Record Retentions

Any person selling a vehicle with an engine subject to this regulation in California must maintain records of the disclosure of regulation applicability required by Section 2449(j) for three years after the sale.



It goes on defining what category your fleet fits into, by buisness type and engine size in HP.



I found this one partiularly disturbing:

•Idling limits effective immediately after legislative approval

-Must not idle equipment more than 5 consecutive minutes

-Medium and large fleets must have written company idling policy available to operators starting in 2009

•No vehicles with Tier 0 engines may be added to fleets beginning March 1, 2009. So much for used equipment

•Initial reporting by fleet

-Large fleets -April 1, 2009

-Medium fleets -June 1, 2009

-Small fleets -August 1, 2009

 

[obert]

Initial Reporting Requirements

Also from the presentation:



Vehicle List -A list of each vehicle subject to this regulation along with the

following information for each vehicle:

1. Vehicle type;

2. Vehicle manufacturer;

3. Vehicle model;

4. Vehicle model year;

5. Vehicle serial number;

6. Whether the vehicle is a low-use vehicle;

7. If the vehicle is a low-use vehicle, whether the vehicle was operated

outside of California during the previous compliance year;

8. Whether the vehicle is a specialty vehicle;

9. Whether the vehicle is a vehicle used solely for emergency operations;

10. Whether the vehicle is a dedicated snow removal vehicle;

11. Whether the vehicle is used for agricultural operations for over half of its annual operating hours;

12. Whether the vehicle is an electric vehicle that replaced a diesel vehicle;

13. Whether the vehicle has been retrofit, repowered, or replaced with Surplus Off-road Opt-in for NOxprogram funding and, if so, the start and end dates of the contract period;

14. Whether the vehicle has been retrofit, repowered, or replaced with Carl Moyer program funding;

15. Whether the vehicle has been retrofit through a demonstration program, and -if so -which program;

16. EIN if it has already been assigned.



Engines -For each engine that powers a vehicle listed per section 2449(g)(1)(B) report the following information.

1. Engine manufacturer;

2. Engine model;

3. Engine family (if any);

4. Engine serial number;

5. Engine model year;

6. Engine maximum power;

7. Engine displacement;

8. Whether the engine is a repower and -if so -date repowered;

9. If the engine is a Post-2007 flexibility engine, an engine certified to on-road standards, or an engine certified by ARB or U. S. Environmental Protection Agency to a lower emission standard than shown in Appendix A, the emission standard to which the engine is certified and the certification Executive Order or certificate number;

10. Whether the engine has been rebuilt to a more stringent emissions configuration



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They also gave some pointers on how to store and submit all the information.



More information on this rule can be found at the following CARB website:

CARB website



This is going to be a real problem. Not every contractor has brand new equipment. At least around here, even commercial construction is softening, I wonder how many businesses will either close or leave Cali. , rather than spend tens (or hundreds) of thousands to upgrade older equipment.

and probably a mandate to retrofit or stop using older vehicles (my opinion).

Apparently, its the governator's opinion, too.

 

[wxman]

A group of California scientists recently petitioned CARB to postpone their diesel PM regulations...

... Important epidemiologic and toxicologic evidence does not support adverse health effects of diesel claimed by CARB and new diesel regulations should be postponed until above issues are fully and fairly evaluated.

http://weblog.signonsandiego.com/we...d_reassess_carb_diesel_regulations_120308.pdf

 

[rbattelle]

I wonder how many businesses will either close or leave Cali. , rather than spend tens (or hundreds) of thousands to upgrade older equipment.

Nothing against the people of California, but part of me wants these businesses to shut down and leave California. The apparent failure of the socialist/environmentalist state isn't adequately proven yet. If every construction and power producer in the state threw up his hands and left, that might wake some people up.

Ryan

 

[hwebster]

Hmmm The article is from 2007 and the author is conspicuously missing from the organizations list of contributors... What an idiot. .

 

[Deleted member 995608]

If every construction and power producer in the state threw up his hands and left, that might wake some people up.



Ryan

I'd like to see this happen. So many businesses have left already. CARB, taxes and regulation beyond reason has forced many to leave.