$ Cummins vrs Duramax $

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chevy Duramax crew-cab is slightly less than Cummins quad-cab with same accesories. (You notice that I didn't say Dodge!"Dodge is just a shell, I would follow the cummins into the gates of F*rd") Expect dodge to drop prices as soon as the Duramax has been out for 6month to a year. The duramax option is only 2,600. 00 vrs cummins 5,000. 00 option and they will have to compete. Road horse-power is rated at 300 and 520 torque @1800.
Lighter, faster, stronger, cheeper, quieter, But will it last? For the LT duty club it may be the "E"ticket for the HD squad who likes to see how many trains they can pull, Well, we will see!
For the Bombers you need more than 275 injectors and that will cause you to need trans upgrades and gauges and your own warrenty. You are looking at adding 3K to compete with a truck that has 4 full doors, better interior, and a full warrenty. Cummins badge now has to live twice as long as the new duramax in order to show its superiority in "cost of vehical"
Just reporting the facts for those who have questions.

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99 SLT auto Q. C. 3. 54 W/: GearVendors 22% OD,Velvet Ride,Rino Lining,Snug Top Highliner,Smittybuilt,4" exhaust,K&N,275 injectors,VA,gauges,Named "The Sleeper"

 

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Well after driving my 2001. 5 that just showed up at the dealer, Im wondering if I shouldnt wait and see what the Chevy is all about!

 

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Rambill,
Is there something wrong with your truck?


When the Chevy is released, wait and see how it performs after the hype has died down. The Duramax WILL be advertized as the BEST DIESEL ENGINE EVER MADE OR EVER TO BE MADE etc. These claims will come from dealers and new owners (what else would they say). The Cummins (and to an extent, the PSD) have long tract records. The DM still needs to make one off the test track.


For anyone interested in buying the new fad, buy the DM. For anyone interested in buying a good truck/engine, wait a few years and see how the DM compares over time, then buy the one you want.

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2001, 3500, Cummins, SLT, 5sp, 3. 54LS, camper/tow package, 4x4, freed turbo silencer, 165 watt backup lights and lookin for more.

 

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Went to Chevy dealer last week to see if they had a duramax, said no not yet. I gave them my phone number to call when they get one cause I wanted to see if it could keep up with my old 99. They said they didn't want to race!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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99'3500,quad cab,4X4,a/t
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I say this with the wisdom gained from experience: IT'S STILL A CHEVROLET!
Ron

 

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Let's all go down to the truck stop and start tilting hoods... . how many V8's can you find? I think THAT will solve the quandry of which truck to buy, at any price difference! Just one guy's opinion.

 

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It is likely a cheaper option because it is cheaply built, it is only rated for 200,000 miles where the cummins is 400,000. 200k isn't that impressive, a gasser with proper servicing can go that far.

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BLACK BEAST: 2K1 QC, SWB, Auto, 4X4, 4. 10 LSD, SLT, Black, Camel leather, Tow pckg, nv241HD, cab lights, 2 inch daystar coil spacers, 35 inch Mickey thompson claws, bushwacker flares, rhino lined bed and rocker panels.

soon to come;Auto transmission upgrades and some Bombing to outrun the durrmacks and pSd's

GREEN MACHINE: 93 Jeep Wrangler 4. 0L, T-18, 38X11 Boggers, Dana 44's, AtlasII T-case, ARB's, warn and moser shafts, Ramsey 5K winch... . NEEDS A DIESEL!!!!!!

 

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Comparing a completely untested design with zero real time data is merely guessing at best. Only time will tell if the Chevy is even close to the marketing hype. I for one would no way be the first in line for a completly unproven truck. I think it unwise to compare the two with no real world testing. Often what looks good on paper is a dog in the real world...

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2001 HO 6 speed Regular Cab SLT 4x4 3. 54 anti spin 2500. Used for the daily grind and sneaking away to some secret Baja beaches toting a cabover

 

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Check out this site ( http://agmlemon. freeservers.com/ ) for info on some of the teething problems with the new body style chevy (not the HD but the LD). The guy who runs that site had his truck at the dealer for 45 days STRAIGHT and they still didn't have it fixed!! And some guys think they have problems with their dodges!? There are 57 other stories of other major problems on there as well.



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'98 QC LB (CMNSPWR), 4x4, ISB, 5sp, 4. 10 LSD, Prime-loc, SW fuel pressure gauge, boost & pyro gauges, TST Powermax, muffler eliminator, polished valve cover, BD exhaust brake, Isspro turbo temp monitor, Mag Hy-tec rear diff cover, Permatech liner, Grizzly SS nerf bars, Stull SS grill & bumper inserts, front Draw-Tite receiver, rear Draw-Tite class V receiver, BFG 285/75R16 AT KO's

 

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Just ask Cmatheny about his Silverado! He will tell you what he thinks about that "better interior" and "stronger truck” he has had nothing but problems, lets see 3 news rear end suspensions (truck hops BAD!) windows keep falling out, rear quarter windows "whistle while you work" going down the road to the extent that it sounds like a 747, sheet metal is literally so thin you can bend it with your hand on the fenders like a toy, I bent his front bed rail by pushing a box too hard and then re-bent it back by hand (now that was amusing) Also his bed rails have dimples from people putting their elbows on it and talking. Door hinges are showing signs of stress from the weight of the doors on the thin metal Automatic has had nothing but problems staying in gear; likes neutral, "Smart engine" is as dumb as a rock. Passenger power seat unplugs itself because the cable is too short so they replace the switch (hunh?) and then they put on an extender which just unplugs itself further up, the seats do not recline very far back so sleeping is not comfortable. Shall I go on about how well his truck was built? Oh but it does go fast!

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TAZ... 2001 2500 SLT+ 4X4 Auto ETC Cummins, LSD 3. 54,Quad Cab, Long Bed, Agate Leather, White/Driftwood Exterior, Sliding rear window, Camper Special Group, Towing Group, Cab clearance lights, Diesel Dynamics Stage-3's, DD Boost Module,SPA-Technique Digital Dual Gauges (Pyro/Boost, Trans pressure/temp) Aux. Backup lamps. BNM 5th Wheel Hitch, Additional Body Molding on Bed.

2000 32' Aljo Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

http://www.ramtaz.com

Add on's to come: Exhaust Brake, Torq-Loc, Line-X bed-liner, and any other Ram Runner required modification...

 

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Don't know who's giving you these prices... must be a salesperson. The list for the diesel option is $4,300. The Allison 5-speed Auto is a little over $2,000.

Durability can only be determined over time. One thing for sure, it is a real nice driving package. If you have to have an auto, afraid the GM is the way to go, for the time being.

 

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Mr. B
I happen to like my Dodge as much as I like the Cummins. You seem to be unhappy with your Dodge. As for Chrysler lowering the price for a Cummins. Never happen.

Don

[This message has been edited by Don Marriott (edited 08-10-2000). ]

 

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Don, I have to agree with you whole heartedly I like the Dodge part as much as I like the Cummins part!! In fact if I was to go back to a half ton gasser it would be a Dodge!!!!!! Regards Pete

 

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Originally posted by Smokin:
Don't know who's giving you these prices... must be a salesperson. The list for the diesel option is $4,300. The Allison 5-speed Auto is a little over $2,000.

Durability can only be determined over time. One thing for sure, it is a real nice driving package. If you have to have an auto, afraid the GM is the way to go, for the time being.

I got the prices from The chevy truck website and did a "build your own truck" quote.

 

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Pete
This is my third new generation Dodge one was a gasser and two diesels. I also owned a few first generation Dodges too, all gassers. I have owned Ford and Chevy's but keep coming back to Dodge. To me the Cummins is a nice option on a truck I already like.

Don

 

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Originally posted by Don Marriott:
Mr. B
I happen to like my Dodge as much as I like the Cummins. You seem to be unhappy with your Dodge. As for Chrysler lowering the price for a Cummins. Never happen.

Don

[This message has been edited by Don Marriott (edited 08-10-2000). ]

Don, I like the ride and feel of the dodge. I have had 3 dodges and there was a reacurring theme with the build quality.
1. All trucks/vans have NO undercoating. the driveshafts are usually orange by the first season, not to mention the rest of the drive train and suspention. "Cummins equiped trucks have some clearcoating and painted parts, but for 10k over gassers I expect more. "
2. Mexican trucks have a tendincy to have foul A. C. and are hard to clear out.
3. The binders are slower to react and some 4-wheel antilocks have glitches that can cause the truck to not stop even under normal conditions.
4. Gas milage is sub-standard on v-8, poor on v-6, and crap on 4bangers.
I love my cummins, hate the stock trans. and wish that the breaks were more efficant. the body is clasic. The capibilitys are good. the interior is comfortable. the interior is starting to be dated, rear seat room is less than chevy. and I want a crew cab and don't want to wait 12 months for start of special orders, to recieve 6 months later.



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99 SLT auto Q. C. 3. 54 W/: GearVendors 22% OD,Velvet Ride,Rino Lining,Snug Top Highliner,Smittybuilt,4" exhaust,K&N,275 injectors,VA,gauges,Named "The Sleeper"

 

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Undercoating? Undercoating went away from all mfrs. years ago. Bodies are galvanized and/or chemically treated to prevent rust. In fact, undercoating your truck will void your body rust warranty.
How many drive shafts and axles have failed due to the lack of paint( which is applied over plain, oily un-primed steel)?
Let's try to keep our comments in the real world, guys. We're talking trucks, not baby buggies!
Ron

 

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Don, I was in to the Dodge cars back in the very early 70's always liked the trucks but drove chevy trucks then in 93 got my first Dodge truck and I haven't looked back. If for some reason I decide to buy another truck it WILL be a Dodge!!!!! Pete

 

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Mr B
Kinda sounds to me like you want a Chevy. Well good luck with it. The problems you refered to with the Dodge I think you'll find on Ford, Chevy or Dodge. Like I said I like the Dodge and the Cummins is a bonus. You can go to the Ford site and some people feel the same about Ford and the Powerstroke. But I don't see how anyone could feel that way about a Chevy and Isusu oops I mean Duramax not yet anyhow. Nothing is proven on the truck.

1) No undercoating for the reasons ol ron gave. These trucks are all dipped and then rotated in an big vat of chemicals and galvinised. Like ol ron said rust proofing will void you rust warranty. The only claer coat is on the engine and Cummins does that. As far as paying 10k more than for a gasser, mine was only about 4500(list) more than the same with a 360 cu in.

2) The foul A/C is not in just the Mexican trucks. It can be in any car or truck with A/C Most manufactures recomend that you spray Lysol in the inlet once a month to kill the mold that can grow.

3) I won't get into this I did have some brake trouble with my 99

4) I had no problem with my gasser mileage, I had a Chevy that got better mileage but it was a 2 wheel drive and only got a couple more miles per gallon empty. (one of 2, 2wheel drives I've owned. Never again 4 wheel drive only for me) Towing my gas trucks ford, chevy and dodge have ranged between 7-9 mpg not a big difference. I'll leave the remainder alone like I said above sounds like you want a Chevy. Sorry for being so long winded.

Good luck with you new truck

Pete
When I was a teen we ran a 65 Plymouth at the strip 383 cu in with Troq flite. Had a friend had a 426 Hemi in a Tan 4 door Plymouth Belvidere (looked like a old mans car) we would run Telegragh and Woodward looking for races. You could do that then not as many cops. Had a 65 Pontiac when I got married, 421 4spd Pontiac Catalina convertible 4500lbs of wide track automobile. Had to sell it couldn't keep my licence. Bought my first truck and haven't owned a car since. Tha wife has tho.
Well that is enough bable from me gotta go

Don



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"The Shadow" 2001 Dodge Ram SLT 2500 QC 5spd 3. 55lsd, Short Bed,Black Sport, VanAakan CPC, DD Boost Module and Elbow, Pacbrake.

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A guy I used to work with bought a new Silverado right after they first came out. After he had it about a month, I asked him how he liked it. He went on and on about how good it was #ad
Then he adds, "They had to put a new transmition in it, but other than that I haven't had any problems. " (Yes he said that with a straight face) He then goes on to explain that since the day he test drove it it would pop out of first gear. Come to find out some nimrod didn't assemble all of the shift fork parts in the transmission for first gear at the factory so it wouldn't stay in first. And ya'll thought Dodge was the only ones with some quality control problems.

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95 2500 SLT Laramie 3. 54, automatic,Herculiner bed liner, JVC cd out of factory infinity system, southwest grill gaurd (a favorite amongst the deer population), K&N, AFC adjusted, dual straight exhaust out of "gutless" cat, Geno's dual EGT/boost gauge, TST #6 plate slid all the way forward, AFC housing slid all the way forward, silencer ring removed
"Layin' the 'SMOKEDOWN' on their ROOdy Poo CANDY GASSERS!"