$ Cummins vrs Duramax $

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Mr. B

I think I found the problem. The Chevy site doesn't have pricing for 2002 trucks (the first year the Duramax will be available). The price you got was for the old 6. 5 liter V8 Turbo Diesel. The Duramax is a 6. 6 liter unit.

For up-to-date pricing information use Kelly Blue Book site at kbb.com they have the pricing for the 2002 trucks.

Originally posted by Mr. B:

Originally posted by Smokin:
Don't know who's giving you these prices... must be a salesperson. The list for the diesel option is $4,300. The Allison 5-speed Auto is a little over $2,000.

Durability can only be determined over time. One thing for sure, it is a real nice driving package. If you have to have an auto, afraid the GM is the way to go, for the time being.

I got the prices from The chevy truck website and did a "build your own truck" quote.

 

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Originally posted by Smokin:
Mr. B

I think I found the problem. The Chevy site doesn't have pricing for 2002 trucks (the first year the Duramax will be available). The price you got was for the old 6. 5 liter V8 Turbo Diesel. The Duramax is a 6. 6 liter unit.

For up-to-date pricing information use Kelly Blue Book site at kbb.com they have the pricing for the 2002 trucks.

I didn,t know that they still sold that P. O. S. diesel, I thought that since they were advertising the Duramax as an option that this was the correct price, I did notice that the printout said 6. 5 but I thought it was a typo Like when DC says dodges R&P is a 3. 55 and our trucks say 3. 54.
The duramax is to be reliesed in September and some few already have. I cant see them leagaly calling them a 2002 year in 2000, maybe a 2001. 5 limited.

 

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If anyone cares prices on 01 Duramax trucks are available at dealers eg.
c25953 01 2wd le ext cab 8' box 34,320. 00 canadian dollars LB7 duramax 6600 V8 5'695. 00 can dollars M74 5spd auto w/od 2,395. 00 can dollars. .
I am new to computers but have been following post for a while now.
usa prices should be cheeper in us $

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Cummins $5,000 Duramax $4,300, Hmmm...
How about that old trite but true saying...
You get what You pay for. (I think the chevy is overpriced) #ad


[This message has been edited by Samscov (edited 08-12-2000). ]

 

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I love my truck but if chevy or ford had the cummins I would have one. NOW I know this ticks people off but, let me explain. I love the 4 door trucks(not the wanta be quad cab) and I know that if dodge could build a damn little decotda with four doors they can build a full size one. As for chevy's new engine P*ss on it. It is probally a hybird off of the 6. 5. Just like the 6. 5 was off of th 6. 2. All pure wasted scrap metal. I just wish dodge would build there truck a little better and recall all of the 5-speeds for a factory fix!!!

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1993 Dodge Prostock Daytona 7:70@172, 1987 Grand National 11:77@115, 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Dually. Stock with a 5 speed, Home page http://www.home.earthlink.net/~whra3

 

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I talked to a Chev owner last week who
started his truck, ignition broke and could not turn off truck or steer. he had to call tow truck, meanwhile truck sat with engine running. He said he had talked to two other chev/gmc owners who had the same problem.

 

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Snival, Whimper, Whine, !
This goes out to the Po-Po people who are bagging on Isolated cases of Chevy.
I am a dodge owner who has been around 6 dodge vehicals 1997 and newer. 5 of which get parked at my house. 5 out of the 6 have all had some sort of ailment, small or large. the sixth only has 9k on it and is driven by my grandmother.
It doesn't do any good to bag on a newer body-style truck unless you want to remember what the dodges were like when they first came out with this style. Or do you want to remember the previous dodge rating of P. O. S. in the 80's.
Also, the Isusu motor is almost up to cummins standards. (In the NPR trucks. ) There is a fleet of NPRs here in Anihiem with 16' flatbeds which have a adverage of 650k miles on their 4L 4cyclnders. One truck has 950K.
Dodge with its 5. 9 can't be equiped with a 16' flat bed, and if driven by yard-boys and delivery drivers I can safely say wouldn't last an adverage of 650k miles.
Cummins is great, cummins is king, but 4 doors and a quiet engine is a big "+" for some of us diesel drivers.
Lets all think for a moment on what is wanted by the driving comunity, and not by the red neck version of "I have a cummins truck and I am right and you are wrong".
Enough said! "Lets wait for the reports to roll in and keep our options open for progress. "


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99 SLT auto Q. C. 3. 54 W/: GearVendors 22% OD,Velvet Ride,Rino Lining,Snug Top Highliner,Smittybuilt,4" exhaust,K&N,275 injectors,VA,gauges,Named "The Sleeper"

 

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Thanks for the good points Mr B.

I hope all the success to Chevy and their Duramax. The more diesel trucks available and sold, and the better their quality, the better it will be for all diesel truck owners. Cummins would not have developed the engine they have now if they didn't have competition in the market. Others will exceed Cummins in some feature or another. Cummins will improve their product in response. Ain't free enterprise great? #ad


Hopefully more acceptance of diesel trucks will result in more diesels being available in other vehicles. How about a Dakota with a 4-cylinder Detroit Diesel? Have to move to South America to get it now. How about a turbo diesel in a new PT Cruiser? Would be way cool. Have to move to Europe for that one.

Congratulations to Ford and Chevy for their fine new diesels. I am buying a Dodge/Cummins because its the best truck for my requirements and due to the proven reliability of the Cummins.


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Wait'n for my 2001 2500 QC, SB, 4x4, ETH 6-sp, 3. 54 LSD, SLT++ (everything but those lights on top of the roof), White over Silver, Tan leather. D1 status to ship 8/21.

 

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Let's see how many of these Duramax motors make it to 100K or even 200K (is that optimism?). GM's track record with the last 4 trucks I've owned (2 of which were diesels) have been less than stellar, as I've griped about in previous posts; blown head gaskets, thrown rod bolts, you name it. I've been stuck out in the middle of nowhere more than I care to mention, on the side of the road "like a rock".

As for the Isuzu diesel, I think they're pretty decent motors; I've driven Isuzu cab-overs with these motors (inline 4's and 6's) and they got excellent mileage and ran well. Not even close in terms of power to the Cummins or Navistar motor, but a decent motor nonetheless. I am more leary of this new motor coming out; we'll see how it holds and what the real power figures turn out to be (since GM's always been WAY too optimistic in the past). I'd also like to hear REAL mileage figures; anybody notice how quiet the GM folks have been with this? I suspect mileage has been less than stellar; judging from the 15 mpg my PSD box van sees, I wouldn't be surprised if GM is seeing similar or worse numbers.

If I were in need of a Crew Cab I would seriously consider converting the Dodge or buying a Ford. I've said it before and I'll say it again; I will NEVER buy another GM truck again. Been There Done That, don't care to get screwed again...



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Mark Nelson
Incline Village, Nevada
Sierra Motorsport, Inc.

'99 3500 QC 4x4 ISB 5-spd, 3. 55 LSD, Bright White, MCM Legacy shell, Tekonsha Sentinel brake controller, Mag-Hytec rear diff cover, K&N filter. 4" Exhaust, Digital Gauges, and BD Exhaust Brake coming soon...
'97 Haulmark 24' race trailer
'96 Ford E350 XLT PSD E4OD 4. 10LSD 15' Box Van

 

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As the senior truck manager at my local Chevy dealer told me: the Duramax block is made by GM, the internals are Izusu...
You gentlemen are comparing apples to oranges here... the Duramax will NOT be the straight 6 in your NPR truck. Yes thats a nice little motor, but a V8 diesel? Come on, get real!! THEY DONT WORK!! No matter who's building them... Detroit Diesel used to build the 2-stroke V8 motors... and went bankrupt. The new standard-setting Series 60 is a 12. 7 litre straight 6, like all proper over-the-road motors. The fact that Ford and GM remain with an ineffective design make them a non-consideration when shopping for a pickup.

 

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Mr. B #ad
,,,you sound like a real happy fella #ad
. I just grabbed hold of a redneck for ya #ad
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here's your site http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/,,, #ad
go there and be happy... . leave us alone,,,,if you hate the dodge truck so bad, what are ya doing here anyway ? Have a great life, oh, and enjoy your duracrap... .

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'95 xt cab,slt,4. 10,auto,285 BFG all terrain ko's on Centerline Extreme Billit Comet 3's,K&N,tst 230/605, silencer ring in top of toolbox, boost and pyro in full pillar mt. 159,000 mi and climbing... went to feed the cat and it was GONE !!!!!

 

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Originally posted by JD:
Mr. B #ad
,,,you sound like a real happy fella #ad
. I just grabbed hold of a redneck for ya #ad
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here's your site http://www.62-65-dieselpage.com/,,, #ad
go there and be happy... . leave us alone,,,,if you hate the dodge truck so bad, what are ya doing here anyway ? Have a great life, oh, and enjoy your duracrap... .

JD, Quit stroking your 2" redneck and pull your head out of your a** and read the tag that says,"Stupid"
I am sorry that I hit a nerve, was it on one of your chipped teath or on the one of the zits on your crack of your a**?
If you could have your daughter read the "C. O. M. P. U. T. ER. " screen to you maybe you would see that I have a signature that states I have a dodge, and it is better than yours! #ad
, #ad

I thank those who have intelagent thought and can understand that I was looking at a new possible option that has 4 real doors, and a quiet engine for the same price as a quad cab. I do love my truck, but would love a real back seat too. I was just giving options to those who would like to have them.

For the rest of you who take personal jabs,
remember what comes around goes around, and you are only showing your intelagance in your words. I won't take any horsepower points from you, because you probibly need all the points to make up for you being you!

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99 SLT auto Q. C. 3. 54 W/: GearVendors 22% OD,Velvet Ride,Rino Lining,Snug Top Highliner,Smittybuilt,4" exhaust,K&N,275 injectors,VA,gauges,Named "The Sleeper"

[This message has been edited by Mr. B (edited 08-17-2000). ]

 

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Mr B -

I'm not trying to take jabs at you... well, OK, maybe a little one. I respect and even agree with your post. I'm not one of these rabid, drooling "if it ain't Cummins, it ain't **** and if you don't agree, then so are you" folks. I'll get whatever best suits my needs for the price.

However, I do have to comment - and maybe this was intentional - on one thing: if you're going to comment on the capacity of someone's brain, you shouldn't ruin it by making yourself look like one of those rednecks you mention. Intelagance isn't a word - I think you're hunting for intelligence. Sorry, had to take that shot.

 

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Mr. B,,,you should really learn how to spell before you try to belittle someone with your disguised profanity. Your daughter is probably proud of you.

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'95 xt cab,slt,4. 10,auto,285 BFG all terrain ko's on Centerline Extreme Billit Comet 3's,K&N,tst 230/605, silencer ring in top of toolbox, boost and pyro in full pillar mt. 159,000 mi and climbing... went to feed the cat and it was GONE !!!!!

 

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"History always repeats itself".

 

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We definitely don't need that level of personal attacks here (or any level for that matter). There's plenty of places I have to endure that kind of vulgar nastiness, I'd rather not have to read it here.

One sure sign of intelligence is the ability to express yourself without sinking into the gutter.

 

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Yes, I couldn't help going overboard when some one burns my butt.
I think that this topic is done and will ask the moderator to remove it from the board.

 

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Well Ive got a 2001 Cummins 4x4 QC with less than 1000 miles. Its my second Ram. I see you guys bagging on the Chevy but you should read some of the other posts on the TDR about the Dodge. Everyday, without fail, there are posts on brake pull, wandering steering boxes, creaking dash boards, poor mileage, poor power, transmission problems both auto and manual, clutch problems, steering shaft problems, poor AC controls, no crew cab available and a small quad cab, blah , blah , blah. And these problems, like on my truck, are on NEW trucks. So, it seems, we really should be trying to figure out why our Dodges cant be better trucks and demanding that if DM wants our loyalty, in light of new and possibly better product introductions such as the Chevy HD's WHY CANT DM PERMANENTELY CORRECT THE existing PROBLEMS ON OUR TRUCKS?

 

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RamBill just hit this thing square on the head!! Competition is healthy! If another company didnt try to come up with a better mouse trap, we'd be stuck with the same ol' crap and DC would rest on thier laurals. Which brings up a wonderful point: We've been complaining about all these things for years, DC will occationally submit a fix, and the dealers usually have thier collective heads in the sand! If the truck falls apart around the motor, what the hell good is it?

 

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Originally posted by RamBill:
Well Ive got a 2001 Cummins 4x4 QC with less than 1000 miles. Its my second Ram. I see you guys bagging on the Chevy but you should read some of the other posts on the TDR about the Dodge. Everyday, without fail, there are posts on brake pull, wandering steering boxes, creaking dash boards, poor mileage, poor power, transmission problems both auto and manual, clutch problems, steering shaft problems, poor AC controls, no crew cab available and a small quad cab, blah , blah , blah. And these problems, like on my truck, are on NEW trucks. So, it seems, we really should be trying to figure out why our Dodges cant be better trucks and demanding that if DM wants our loyalty, in light of new and possibly better product introductions such as the Chevy HD's WHY CANT DM PERMANENTELY CORRECT THE existing PROBLEMS ON OUR TRUCKS?

All this calling people rednecks and such is beneath me, so I won't feed in with that.
Rambill, however, has hit on something that I try to keep in mind here. Don't forget, this is a sight with 4,717 members. If you get each member posting about 1 or 2 problems they are having with their trucks, all of the sudden it looks like this is the biggest POS on the road. I have racked up a considerable amount of miles on my truck, and have had one or two problems out of it, certainly no more than I've had with any of the Fords or Chevys I've owned. My truck runs like a champ, steers straight and true, gets 20-21 mpg consistantly. Dash squeaks? With the roads around here and the way trucks are driven around here, ALL dashes squeak. Now if you go to the chevy site, you don't see ANY of these complaints. Why? BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SOLD ANY DURAMAX'S YET!

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95 2500 SLT Laramie 3. 54, automatic,Herculiner bed liner, JVC cd out of factory infinity system, southwest grill gaurd (a favorite amongst the deer population), K&N, AFC adjusted, dual straight exhaust out of "gutless" cat, Geno's dual EGT/boost gauge, TST #6 plate slid all the way forward, AFC housing slid all the way forward, silencer ring removed
"Layin' the 'SMOKEDOWN' on their ROOdy Poo CANDY GASSERS!"