DEF in Fuel Tank

[skorski]

I did the same thing on my 14 with only 4000k onit call your insurance co if you have comprehensive they will pay for it dealer did not post it insurance paid 0ver 12,000

 

[jhenderson]

And that’s why insurance costs so much.

 

[Learjet]

don't even turn the key on ....the lift pump can circulate the DEF just by turning the key on.

 

[Cummins12V98]

And that’s why insurance costs so much.

And that's why you have Insurance cuz CHITS happens.

 

[jhenderson]

It’s bad enough when my own mistakes cost me money. But at least I learn a lesson. When I help pay for someone else’s mistakes I get no benefit whatsoever.

 

[Newsa]

I've woken up having nightmares i put gasoline or def in the fuel tank.

 

[Wiredawg]

I've woken up having nightmares i put gasoline or def in the fuel tank.

My wife once filled our 2003 Ram Cummins up with about 25 gallons of gas. I had told her if she ever did this to NOT start it. She called me at work to tell me, so I said be sure not to start it. She said the guy behind her at the pumps said it wouldn't hurt to start it to move it so she did. I called a diesel performance shop if they would drop the tank. Had it towed ~$100, the shop drained, dropped and cleaned tank, purged the fuel lines, put everything back, and added 5 gallons of diesel for ~$200.

Problem was mixup with green (gas) and yellow (diesel) colored pumps at this station. I know, I read AND look at the colors too.

I accidentally put diesel in my zero turn and it actually ran. I had some injury where I couldn't drain and refill. Didn't foul the plug either.

Cheers,

Ron

 

[Newsa]

The diesel nozzles are usually a larger size so they don't fit in many gasser filler holes

 

[Wiredawg]

The diesel nozzles are usually a larger size so they don't fit in many gasser filler holes

After this scare, she learned all the visual ques AND to read. The 2003 Ram was her truck and daily driver around 75 miles a day.

Like I mentioned earlier, harder to screw up DEF and diesel fills on Cab and Chassis trucks. I got message from Genos my backordered DEF lock shipped. Keep folks from doing bad things. Back of my CM ER bed got keyed by some model citizen, so gotta take precautions any way we can.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Crank]

Plastic tank? Simple. Park on an incline with the engine higher. Put a bucket under the gas tank and punch a hole with a screwdriver. Let it all drain out. Put a plug in that tank like they made for canoes when the spear fisher effed up. Many carp have escaped.

 

[Newsa]

I don't think you can get all the def residue out of the tank by just draining. If you've spilled on the side of the truck, you know the residue I am thinking of.

 

[Cummins2014]

I don't think you can get all the def residue out of the tank by just draining. If you've spilled on the side of the truck, you know the residue I am thinking of.

As I mentioned before, if it has a chance to dry those crystals are going to be tough to get out of there, hopefully everything is still liquid when drained, and even washed out with water as you go .

 

[Wiredawg]

Friends,
I didn't want to start a whole separate thread on the locking DEF cap from Geno's Garage, so thought I would post in this DEF thread. Received it today, popped it on the truck and I'm impressed with it! Nice price, small footprint, and fairly secure. So, now my OEM 52 Gal tank already locking cap, 60 Gal aux fuel tank CAME with a locking cap, and now my 9 Gal DEF are relatively secure.

Be nice if all the DEF and Diesel tanks on Ram HDs and C&Cs had FACTORY locking caps/doors.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Wiredawg]

Ok Gents,

I swear it wasn't me. A buddy with a 2016 2500 just accidentally put half a gallon of DEF in his fuel tank. He called me when he realized it. It's in his driveway and he hasn't started it. So:

DEF is 67pct water, so diesel fuel will float on top of it - his fuel tank is full (now full of fuel and DEF, LOL). That means that if he lets it sit overnight, the DEF will find its way to the bottom, presumably right where the fuel pickup is. What to do next.

One idea is to remove the inlet line from the under-bed fuel filter and then attach a hand pump to the line (like the bulb used on an outboard engine). Then "crank" the pump to suck fuel through the factory fuel pump n the tank until the DEF and some fuel are sucked out. Anyone know if this will work?

Next idea is to do the same but use the factory fuel pump to move the DEF and then fuel by cycling the fuel pump with the ignition just as you do after a fuel filter change. I don't see any reason this wouldn't work.

Go to dealer and let them do the same only they would cycle the pump on with a scan tool.

Go to dealer and have them drop the tank and drain everything out.

The tank doesn't have a drain plug I suppose? Not that I ever noticed. That would be as smart as putting one on a transmission pan. Why would they do something that smart at the factory when it costs an extra $1.50...

ideas?

Hey OP,

Been over a week since this thread was started.... what's the status? What did your friend do? We're all setting here like a tomcat stalking a yard full of birds, ready to leap.

Thanks, Ron

 

[grabinov]

Hey OP,

Been over a week since this thread was started.... what's the status? What did your friend do? We're all setting here like a tomcat stalking a yard full of birds, ready to leap.

Thanks, Ron

I don’t know... You guys all seem to be entertaining yourselves even without my input! I thought the thread was going quite well...

Just due to his schedule, my friend decided to take it to the dealer - the dealer where the service manager is my good buddy. They dropped the tank, removed the fuel pump, dumped the tank and cleaned it all out with some kind of cleaner they have. Then they dried it overnight with an air line running into it (that was nice of them - not sure they would do that for just anyone). They drained the tank into a barrel and apparently the tech said he could see the clear DEF. They also drained and changed the under-bed fuel filter.

The whole thing cost $495.00 including 5 galloms of clean diesel, which seems fair given the level of care the tech seems to have taken. That’s probably 2.5 hours of labor plus the hazmat fee, fuel, filter and whatever else. I asked my buddy to send me the dealer paperwork so I can post I but haven’t gotten it yet.

The truck runs fine. Hopefully the fuel system doesn’t even know it happened.

Greg

 

[jhenderson]

The dealer treated your friend well.

 

[Wiredawg]

I don’t know... You guys all seem to be entertaining yourselves even without my input! I thought the thread was going quite well...

Just due to his schedule, my friend decided to take it to the dealer - the dealer where the service manager is my good buddy. They dropped the tank, removed the fuel pump, dumped the tank and cleaned it all out with some kind of cleaner they have. Then they dried it overnight with an air line running into it (that was nice of them - not sure they would do that for just anyone). They drained the tank into a barrel and apparently the tech said he could see the clear DEF. They also drained and changed the under-bed fuel filter.

The whole thing cost $495.00 including 5 galloms of clean diesel, which seems fair given the level of care the tech seems to have taken. That’s probably 2.5 hours of labor plus the hazmat fee, fuel, filter and whatever else. I asked my buddy to send me the dealer paperwork so I can post I but haven’t gotten it yet.

The truck runs fine. Hopefully the fuel system doesn’t even know it happened.

Greg

Glad to hear it worked out and that was a great price.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Cummins12V98]

That’s a smokin deal considering some charge that for changing the fuel filters and air filter.

 

[ram17]

When I had my boat (gas powered) there was a company that would come to the marina to "polish the fuel in the tanks." Over the lay up period, the alcohol in the gas would attract the moisture in the air and the company supposedly filtered to the micron level. If i still have their number I'll call and see if they have the capability to filter out the def and water from diesel. Too late to help the OP but maybe good info for someone in the future.

 

[Wiredawg]

When I had my boat (gas powered) there was a company that would come to the marina to "polish the fuel in the tanks." Over the lay up period, the alcohol in the gas would attract the moisture in the air and the company supposedly filtered to the micron level. If i still have their number I'll call and see if they have the capability to filter out the def and water from diesel. Too late to help the OP but maybe good info for someone in the future.

My BIL polishes the 250 gallons of diesel in my generator every 6 months. He maintains up to 1MW diesel generators and completely believes in polishing and treating the fuel. I run my genset once a month and whenever it kicks on when we lose power. A lot of that fuel is approx 5 years old and still good. Polishing fuel is a good thing.

Ron