deleating

[bigblock_doc]

Touchy subject, but when and if something goes wrong with the em system it is really
expensive to repair. I know federal law and such but some people won't be able to afford
the repairs without a loan or the first born. Deleting is way cheaper if you live in a state
that doesn't check. Any thoughts???
Some of us live on social security and a little extra now and then. Plus crack the whip on the wife
to keep working might not be a good idea.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

Sorry, you can't do it if you can't spell it correctly in the thread title...

Or, you can be like me and not do it anyway.
608K miles on a fully functioning stock emissions system, no major repairs needed.

 

[bcbender]

IMHO, not worth the risk of a non-saleable vehicle in the future for the slight increase in FE (allegedly). Pretty happy with mine so far and as AH64ID said to me when I first bought it, I am not that far off from my 04 (~ 5-10%) with 2x the power warrantied from the factory.

 

[Topzide]

I'm with the others on not to delete! You would be making a brick. Just because your state doesn't have a diesel inspection program doesn't mean that you still couldn't be checked at any time you're out on the interstates! Pass through a state and have a bit more come out the exhaust and you could get a pretty expensive invitation from law enforcement. Federal emissions, weigh stations and DOT enforcement on interstates make me keep it stock. Only thing if looking for better FE would be propane injection system. JM2C. Enjoy these trucks!

 

[Tuesdak]

When the warranty on the expensive items you are concerned about is near the end: trade it in. Note the MOPAR warranty doesn't cover the items you are concerned about. Consider a gasoline engine. Refinance the home... Vehicles have a TCO and a cost per mile: some cheaper than others.

Diesels as you noticed have a big target on them and the Green New Deal people are not taking prisoners. They do not care about your finances. They can force you to put the vehicle back to stock along with heavy fines even if you don't own it anymore. That is if you can even find a place that sells stuff to delete as they have been cracked down on by the EPA.

Meanwhile a tire fire is lit in China to start a recycling process. - Just so it's clear to you that only Americans need to suffer in their opinion.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

I'm with the others on not to delete! You would be making a brick. Just because your state doesn't have a diesel inspection program doesn't mean that you still couldn't be checked at any time you're out on the interstates! Pass through a state and have a bit more come out the exhaust and you could get a pretty expensive invitation from law enforcement. Federal emissions, weigh stations and DOT enforcement on interstates make me keep it stock. Only thing if looking for better FE would be propane injection system. JM2C. Enjoy these trucks!

Well...
Feds, weigh stations and DOT are a non-issue unless you are using the truck commercially.
And, as to states outside your own gigging you, doubt that would happen either.
But, as has been stated, it's getting extremely difficult getting the delete parts/tuning, and afterward getting tech support can be a joke. And, then there are the possible complications with selling/trading a deleted truck.
Anyone who deletes should definitely keep the take-off parts, and if they are shot, then buy someone else's take-off parts so you can put all the stuff back on some day.

Me? Not going to fool with deleting, or even deleating!

 

[Wiredawg]

I'm going to throw a fact I don't think anyone else has mentioned... most dealers and many reputable mechanics can't or won't work on a deleted truck.

Many of us have mentioned this before that EPA is getting harder, not easier to get away with modifying and deleting emissions. Folks whined about catalytic converters on gassers for lots of years... but now, I don't think anyone or very few delete cats on gasser anymore.

Anyhoo, just trying to provide friendly advice.

Cheers, Ron

 

[lpennock]

Well...
Feds, weigh stations and DOT are a non-issue unless you are using the truck commercially.
And, as to states outside your own gigging you, doubt that would happen either.

I'm not so sure. A couple of states (CA and NY) already have drive through sensor stations that look at your tail pipe emissions as you drive by. Wouldn't take much for them to send a notice of violation. You could probably throw in the trash for now but if you get stopped in the state for another violation they could then impound your vehicle because of the outstanding "fix it ticket". Not saying it will happen but I can see CA doing it.

 

[bcbender]

But, as has been stated, it's getting extremely difficult getting the delete parts/tuning, and afterward getting tech support can be a joke

Agreed.... I have seen many folks lately with new to them purchased trucks having issues, posting questions, and not knowing how to solve them with someone's delete and since they didn't do it not sure who to call, where to go, etc.

Not saying it will happen but I can see CA doing it.

Hahaha, I grew up in CA and left 20y ago because of all the craziness..... It was hell getting gassers to pass emissions and especially visuals in the 80s-90s, I wouldn't put much past them when it comes to enforcing "laws" to add revenue to the county coffers.

 

[Topzide]

A DOT officer can pull you over and check you whether you are commercial or not. Once you've been pulled over, all bets are off! State police near me have been pulling trucks over for sound, smoke and when pulling dual axle trailers. This is taking place on state roads. When it comes down to the Federal regs that are stated on drivers door sill and under the hood, any law enforcement can take actions up to impounding your truck! These guys are being trained what to look and listen for when out on patrol. Just not worth taking the chance. And if you could find a place to work on your deleted truck, I bet it would be down a pretty long dirt drive and cash only, no receipt!

 

[Ltngdrvr]

I'm not so sure. A couple of states (CA and NY) already have drive through sensor stations that look at your tail pipe emissions as you drive by. Wouldn't take much for them to send a notice of violation. You could probably throw in the trash for now but if you get stopped in the state for another violation they could then impound your vehicle because of the outstanding "fix it ticket". Not saying it will happen but I can see CA doing it.

Nah, not for a vehicle registered in another state, they wouldn't have the authority.
If enforcement ever goes federal, maybe then.

But, as I said, it won't matter to me, not deleting.

 

[Ltngdrvr]

A DOT officer can pull you over and check you whether you are commercial or not. Once you've been pulled over, all bets are off! State police near me have been pulling trucks over for sound, smoke and when pulling dual axle trailers. This is taking place on state roads. When it comes down to the Federal regs that are stated on drivers door sill and under the hood, any law enforcement can take actions up to impounding your truck! These guys are being trained what to look and listen for when out on patrol. Just not worth taking the chance. And if you could find a place to work on your deleted truck, I bet it would be down a pretty long dirt drive and cash only, no receipt!

Nah, not anywhere I ever travel.
Of course I stay out of cali and connecticut and any other commie state.

 

[Topzide]

Nah, not for a vehicle registered in another state, they wouldn't have the authority.
If enforcement ever goes federal, maybe then.

Anything that is under the Federal motor standards that manufactures have to abide by can be enforced in any state. It won't be a repair ticket unless in your home state, But they can drain your wallet pretty good! DOT officers are trained on the federal along with state requirements. Yes, if commercial, then the effects are larger. Things don't need to be federally enforced, the states do that due to the interstate highway act. There are arguments to deleting, pro and con. I know for me it's not worth the problems, but we share in providing info for someone who may be looking for answers on whether to delete or not. When you mess with the federally mandated parts, I hope you have deep pockets when you get caught or stuck with a truck you've spent big money on! JM2C

 

[Signal73]

Nah, not anywhere I ever travel.
Of course I stay out of cali and connecticut and any other commie state.

Ever since defund the police were uttered from the libs mouths, you would really have to be doing something blatant to be pulled over for anything in CT, it’s been a free for all out here, emissions are on no POs mind right now at least around here.

 

[bigblock_doc]

Tried to edit my bad spelling, but no luck. It only goes to the thread and not the title.
All great info but... I guess if something happens to it in the future it could disappear.

 

[jgillott]

.........And if you could find a place to work on your deleted truck, I bet it would be down a pretty long dirt drive and cash only, no receipt!

As some of you know, I work on and off in an independent shop here in PA. The owner will not allow a deleted truck in his shop period. In his words, the risk isn't worth it. I know that all places aren't like that. But, this is one example of exactly what you are talking about.

 

[mweiman]

I just got through a situation on a semi truck that was deleted that may give you something to consider. Customer had truck at dealer a few weeks ago for possible electrical issues. They worked on it right up until they figured out it was deleted and then pulled it out and told him to get it off their property with a bill for their time. Two days later the common Powertrain controller fails which has to be programmed. Luckily dealer was able to program off the truck and were kind enough to do so. Other modules that would have to be programmed on the truck you might not be able to find a dealer to do it.

 

[Ozymandias]

Computer is a big thing and shouldn't be overlooked.
As soon as you run a third party software, and you have to for deleting, you are on your own. All kinds of funny things can happen with these trucks nowadays if people mess with the programming.
And like mentioned no workshop can help you, it's a brick then.

And also, the todays SCR systems are not that problematic anymore like they have been a couple years ago, they work pretty well for the most of us.

 

[Wiredawg]

I have a 2020 International MV607 with a Cummins B6.7L and International emissions. International and Freightliner are having problems with DEF sensor failures, some folks have been trying to fool the system, which the system detects, and starts irreversible derate. Requires dealer programming to resolve. Backyard deletes are pretty much becoming obsolete.

I know we are persisting this point of not deleting... it's becoming a point of fact and law. EPA is not the bad guy... no political agenda, much of the Democratic world is doing the same thing. There are countries choking in smog, particularly big cities and industrial areas in many other types of societies.

Most power ever achieved with white ash and water vapor coming out your tailpipe versus smoke and tar. Pretty amazing.

This thread is a great discussion about emissions, and I think we will progress to where folks actually keep emission trucks a long time, and fix them along the way.

Cheers, Ron

 

[Turbo Terry]

I would not delete buy a older truck pre delete and have fun