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I have been following the posts and I am getting the shakes reading about HVAC's bad boy. HVAC which blue box are you using? If it is the adjustable one, which setting are you using. Do you have a web site of ph# for Diesel Dynamics?

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"ANGUS" 99 Black 2500 4x4, QC, SB, SLT, Auto, 3. 54, Leather, etc... .
 
HVAC -- you are the man! Awesome post. I may never catch you now. Piers, Ted J. -- we're going to have to turn up this old 12V to chase this guy down. !!

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Rob Spading
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1996 3500 Club Cab, 4X4, Black, Loaded, Rickson 19. 5" Wheels, Mag-Hytec Rear and Trans covers, TST 230/605 kit, Westach Gauges, Velvet Rides, -- Coming soon... . Jannetty 4" Exhaust, BD Valve Body, TC, Exhaust BRake and Torqloc Computer.

[This message has been edited by Rob Spading (edited 12-06-1999). ]
 
Hello again, HVAC here. I love talking about horsepower, could you sense the passion as I wrote that? ROMPIN'! STOMPIN'! TOOTH RATTLIN'! EAR SPLITTIN'! BELLY BUSTIN'! MOTHER... HORSEPOWER!!!

The box I have is the new adjustable Blue Box. And ask Vaughn, or Rob Hanson what it is set at (maximum). You could say it is at the HVAC minimum.

Thanks for the compliment Rob, Scott1, Evan, and I saw Piers at Dieselfest. He seems to have a good sense of humor, rather friendly too. Dman took a picture of my truck on the dyno with his digital camera, it may get on his site, www.dieseldynamics.com. We thought about an mpeg file afterwards, but my clutch was going away. I would like to get a set of these injectors in TJ's hands to test at some point.

It's a scary creature lurking under the hood of the little red racin' Ram! Cummins power ROCKS!

Please call Lawrence at 702 897-6263
Visit his site at www.dieseldynamics.com

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
HVAC,am I to understand that you still have your 3" exhaust and 12cm turbo? Is your muff and res still in or not? I would like to know your egt #s under a load. Everyone I talk to except Ted J say I got to have the 14 cm turbo and 4" exhaust, I tend to go along with Ted's way of thinking. What did the stage III kit cost? Update your signature with all yor mods(or BOMBs) Thanks for the truly awesome account of the dyno encounter, I still have lumber!!

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'99 2500,4x4,QC,LWB,3. 55 lsd , 5 speed,K&N, Rhinoliner, 265/75/16 Michelins, muffler and resonator removed, Amsoil, Brushguard, step bars, hideaway 25k gooseneck ball, flame red with agate interior. ---- Chris Morris, Sunray, Texas----
 
What I find interesting is that the Stage III injectors, according to HVAC's outrageous dyno put out an additional 155 lb-ft of torque. The Bosch 275HP injectors are reported (e. g. Ted Jannetty, BD, etc. ) to put out 110 lb-ft. Of course, this second figure is not verfied, while the first is. That's only 45 lb-ft of peak torque at a significant cost differntial (roughly $225).

Any comments on this, especially from those who have the Bosch injectors and have had a dyno done?

HVAC -- you're too much! I bet you layed a pretty good stripe of rubber down on those dyno rollers!

Craig
 
HVAC, Holy Cow! High Velocity *ss-kickin' Cummins, all the way! (new acronym for HVAC??)

Like I said in another post, I think these 24-valves are racehorses and are at their best when unbridaled by their wimpy injectors and ECMs. With 4 valves per cylinder and free-breathing heads, you can really open 'em up!

I'd say in your situation, get a 4" pipe on that thing as fast as you get a new clutch! Also with your setup I'd be looking into the Holset HX40 18. 5cm turbo housing with 4" outlet that Piers has been testing. Maybe he mentioned this to you, Looks like a sweet setup (read "turbo housing" thread!)

Thunder On, HVAC!
 
Yeah Turboman, we broke some rules didn't we!
I still have the 3" exhaust with the resonator on my truck although the muffler is gone. And I still have the oem 12cm2 turbo! At one point, Dman caught me at a weak mental point (to much driving) he said something like "but you can't make 450 horsepower with your configuration", this was well after my dyno run (what?). Well he was referring to some of the other info suggesting this and that or no dice, you know what I mean.

I do plan to go to the 4" exhaust though, at twice the stock horsepower the exhaust modification must help. As far as turbo replacement goes, I have no idea, all I can say is if egt is the only criteria, I'll leave the oem 12cm2 on.

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
CCollar, there was rubber on the rollers, no question about some slippage. Also the clutch isn't the same, think I could get it replaced under warranty? Heehehe.

Let's dyno your truck CCollar to measure the gain from the RV injectors, it would be a good experiment. I compare the cost of the stage III Diesel Dynamics to the stage III Dr P kit and come up way ahead. Also my comparisons lead me to believe the torque measurments are not proportionally increased in comparison to the horsepower gains when adding this type of modification. And I want to add that Lawrence was very disappointed with my power increase as a result of the injector swap. I spoke to him today and he is still attempting to calibrate the bearing drag coefficients for this new dyno with the pumpkin and driveshaft bearings. This stuff needs to be compensated for in the program to give us the best feedback. I had very high stock readings which may be attributable to the conical air filter I run and the lack of an airbox. I propose that with the boost module one would notice greater gains while running the stock airbox. The stage III should reap a 110 hp increase.

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
Congrats HVAC!

****Does anyone know how much each set of injectors costs for the 24V? You know, Stages I,II, & III. ****

I wander what it costs for just the boost module.

Another thing that one might want to consider when changing to high flow injectors is the fast idle controller from www.dieselservices.com The high flow injectors may flow a little too much fuel at lower RPMs. I think the fast idle controller would improve the longevity. As posted by others, it is much harder on the engine at idle than at full load going down the highway. Just a thought.

Regards,
Michael

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'00 Ram, RegCab, 4x2, Cummins, 6-spd, Driftwood/Agate, CD, CB, Reunel rear bumper, Line-X ...
 
I called the boys at Diesel Dynamics yesterday, they quoted me Stage I $500, II $600, III $700. The boost module is $300. It sounds like an awesome upgrade. HVAC, did they say the stock airbox was too restrictive when using the stage III injectors and module? I am still deciding which upgrade to do first, box or injectors/module. I don't have enough $ to do both and a bunch of transmission upgrades. Which upgrade do you guys think gives the most scream for your dollar?

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"ANGUS" 99 Black 2500 4x4, QC, SB, SLT, Auto, 3. 54, Leather, etc... .
 
Lawrence still has the stock airbox on his truck and he is over 300 hp. I believe my Scotty air system has something to do with the high stock numbers I encountered.

If I had it to do over I believe I would start with the injectors, it is great to drive the truck now with the broad additional power. Not having to worry about egt is a relief too. The truck retains a stock appearance if you take it into the dealer. Now pump worry either.

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
HVAC, what brand of box do you have? is it easily removed for warranty work? I still can't believe such an increase with just injectors, I know this is a stupid question as you can't keep your foot out of it did the mileage increase? could you do us mileage minded types a favor and check? I know this will be painful for you to drive easy, maybe the clutch will force you to, wow sure haven't heard of any psd's with those kind of numbers, no wonder none responded to my truck pull challenge over there. if I can get the same 2mpg increase with these injectors as the RV's I'll go with them instead, and when a psd pulls up alongside flip the switch on the box and punch it!!!

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'01 on order (pick it up in may 2000), 2500 QC,SWB, 4x4, auto, SLT, black, camel leather, camper special, snowplow prep, tow package, rear sliding window, trip computer, LSD, 4. 10, will install 35 inch mud tires asap, cost 34k. (if your truck is like mine what MPG's do you get????
 
I have the latest Blue Box from Blue Chip Diesel on my truck. It is adjustable and capable of more fueling then the origional box.

Yeah, the clutch situation has trimmed my top fueler driving habits a bit! That is why I did a mileage run on the way home. From Bakersfield to SF I got 22 mpg @ 80 mph (truck won't go any slower with the new injectors!). This was about 265 miles on 12 gallons of fuel. From what Evan told me, he is the mileage king at about 26 mpg.

If you do the box/injector combo I'll have to have you sign a liability waiver hehe! You may damage children that haven't been born yet! A four point belt might be a good idea too!

I like the idea of the PSD's being a subspecies though hehe. At one point, when I went for a cup of coffee during Dieselfest, Evan and Scott1 but Powerstroke and Dr. "P" stickers on my truck!!! I'm gonna get you guys!!

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
Turbo, what I was referring to is that the stage III kit will provide you with over 300 hp with no egt penalty. I am increasingly impressed with the drivable power I experience now as I negotiate my way around town, and part of my impression is a result of my not having to worry about the exhaust temps. When I purchased my first box from BC, Chip almost insisted I purchase the guages (he discounts them). The first thing Mark Chapple asked is "What kind of temperatures are you running"? Well at least he talked to me.

By the way, the box can easily be removed (relative term). The hard part would be to get the scotch connecters off the pump wires.

Bought time to go for another ride!

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
HVAC - Are you saying that you'd start with JUST the injectors and not the module ? If I missed it somewhere I'm sorry, but what is the HP/torque gain with just the StageI injectors? StageII?

I assume that the power gain is the result of more efficient plume/combustion, therefore we should see a correspondng positive effect on economy (1-2mpg) like others have experienced, right?

Assuming as well that the foot stays on the floormat side of the firewall...

Thanks,

Rob

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1999 2500HD 4x4 SLT Driftwood QC LB 3. 55LSD 5spd Camper/Tow, Custom Front Bumper/Brush Guard w/PIAA Pro 90's, PIAA Platinum Headlamp Bulbs, Diamond Plate Bed Caps w/full frt&rr DiaPlate Protectors, Kelly Safari AWR LT255/85-16 tires, 2" Trailmaster lift coming 12/8/99
 
Rob, ask any and all questions you or anyone else has, that is what this is all about.

As far as the various stages and their power levels, I recommend you check out the DD site and click on the dyno charts. I would say that the stage I is designed to look stock with a small power appreciation. The stage II injectors could be spotted by someone at a very hip warranty station, and will provide an increase in power that you can easily feel. The stage III is %$@#& great!! I'd appreciate it if you(anybody else) would email me with a fax number so I can provide you with a price sheet.

The stage I and II kits require the boost module which will allow you to increase your boost over 20. 5 lbs. and not incure a loss in pump operation.

The mileage on my truck has remained the same or improved.

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
Rob, I don't think I answered one of your questions. I do recommend starting with the injectors first. The egt problem is non-existent with this scenario and at 310 horsepower the truck runs excellent. I believe this is where most "normal" Rammers would like to be and would stay, performance wise. I had to put on some miles yesterday and I continue to be impressed with the way the truck runs, I can easily watch the boost jump over 30lbs just going through the gears.
I have the box off since my clutch is hanging by a thread, but I don't expect to use it much in the future except to play.

I thought I would provide the performance figures we got on the dyno.
HP Torque
Stock 235 461
W/inj. 305 616
inj/box 445 920

Hehehee! Cummins POWER!

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
Hey HVAC I have a question for you:

Why the need to install the "boost module?" I thought you were making 33+ psi of boost with the blue box? Does this mean you are running both the dd boost module AND the blue box?

OK... a couple of questions!

Craig
 
Anytime double C!

We installed the stage III kit which includes Dman's boost module and a modified brass elbow for the wastegate line. I have left the box off since my clutch is weak. Actually I don't plan to use the box in the future except to do burnouts! I'm really hooked on how smooth this type of power is, and with no smoke. I just got back from looking at a job and I can't help put punch it a little off the stop signs! The engine goes right over 30lbs. boost (or Zing as Rob says) with a mash of the throttle in a tall gear (3,4,5). It sounds different to, in a good way, like more turbo whine. So before the injectors I was at 33 plus lbs. with the Blue Box, now I'm still over 30, and with the box turned on, I am pegging the guage (goes to 40).

Guess what I have resting on my desk CCollar?
One of a couple of Dman's boost modules (gave one to Evan to test), not sure what to do with it... . got any ideas.

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3/4 ton, 5 sp, lsd, 2wd, qcab, guages, Scotty sys. Rhino liner, Blue Box hp enhancement
 
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